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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Benko » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:14 pm

Mark Leavy wrote: 2) Some form of collagen.  (Bone broth, gelatin, gristle, pork rinds, aspic).  About 25% of the protein in our body is collagen and as regular humans we almost always eat muscle meat.  As we get older, we lose the ability to synthesize collagen from other proteins.  I believe that many of the aches and pains and skin and joint and hair and gum issues of old age are really a collagen deficiency.
You were wondering about Bone Broth--listen to Mark.
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Post by MachineGhost » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:51 pm

Benko wrote: You were wondering about Bone Broth--listen to Mark.
A problem is collagen in food pales in comparison in terms of dose quantity to that of supplements.  And for maximum effect, it needs to be hydrolyzed so the intact peptides reach the joints (via diffusion).

So while Mark and Jaminet are correct, they are way over-estimating the importance of the collagen in bone broth and not the other microfactors.  Emphasis on micro.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Mark Leavy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:43 pm

MachineGhost wrote: And for maximum effect, it needs to be hydrolyzed so the intact peptides reach the joints (via diffusion).
A really simple way to do this in tropical countries is to buy unflavored gelatin at the grocery store and hydrolyze it with raw pineapple.

Here's my secret recipe:  Take an ounce of gelatin (usually 4 packets) and mix it up with a little cold water until you have a paste, then add a liter of very hot water until it is all dissolved.  Let it cool below 70C and then throw in about a cup of crushed pineapple (it has to be raw, never canned or pasteurized because you need the bromelain intact to perform the hydrolysis)  Make sure you use the core and juice of the pineapple.  Keep the mixture between about 50 and 70C for an hour or so and then let it sit out the rest of the day.  Don't get it too hot or you will break up the bromelain.  Too cold and the hydrolysis will take forever.

You will know that all of the collagen is hydrolyzed if the mixture won't gel up even if you put it in the fridge.  This tells you that most of the collagen molecules have been cut up by the bromelain and are under about 5000 Daltons.  Just perfect for incorporation into newly minted joint and gum tissue.  And a tasty chilled beverage for an afternoon in the tropics.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by MachineGhost » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:32 pm

Mark Leavy wrote: A really simple way to do this in tropical countries is to buy unflavored gelatin at the grocery store and hydrolyze it with raw pineapple.

Here's my secret recipe:  Take an ounce of gelatin (usually 4 packets) and mix it up with a little cold water until you have a paste, then add a liter of very hot water until it is all dissolved.  Let it cool below 70C and then throw in about a cup of crushed pineapple (it has to be raw, never canned or pasteurized because you need the bromelain intact to perform the hydrolysis)  Make sure you use the core and juice of the pineapple.  Keep the mixture between about 50 and 70C for an hour or so and then let it sit out the rest of the day.  Don't get it too hot or you will break up the bromelain.  Too cold and the hydrolysis will take forever.

You will know that all of the collagen is hydrolyzed if the mixture won't gel up even if you put it in the fridge.  This tells you that most of the collagen molecules have been cut up by the bromelain and are under about 5000 Daltons.  Just perfect for incorporation into newly minted joint and gum tissue.  And a tasty chilled beverage for an afternoon in the tropics.
Cool, another of your recipes!  This one sounds like a whopping dose of collagen too.
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Post by moda0306 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:06 pm

I've been noticing that I'm chronically deficient in potassium intake, even if I have two bananas and some potatoes, which is not the case every day (very rarely in fact).

Anyone have any advice on how to get more?  Just buy a supplement?  Oddly, it isn't in my multivitamin.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Jack Jones » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:55 pm

moda0306 wrote: I've been noticing that I'm chronically deficient in potassium intake, even if I have two bananas and some potatoes, which is not the case every day (very rarely in fact).
How do you know?
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Post by pugchief » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:56 pm

moda0306 wrote: I've been noticing that I'm chronically deficient in potassium intake, even if I have two bananas and some potatoes, which is not the case every day (very rarely in fact).

Anyone have any advice on how to get more?  Just buy a supplement?  Oddly, it isn't in my multivitamin.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by moda0306 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:10 pm

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moda0306 wrote: I've been noticing that I'm chronically deficient in potassium intake, even if I have two bananas and some potatoes, which is not the case every day (very rarely in fact).
How do you know?
I use My Fitness Pal to track my food intake, including certain micronutrients, and usually end up with 1/3 of my recommended daily dose of potassium.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Jack Jones » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:22 am

moda0306 wrote: I use My Fitness Pal to track my food intake, including certain micronutrients, and usually end up with 1/3 of my recommended daily dose of potassium.
Ah very cool. I used this back in the day when it wasn't as fancy:

https://cronometer.com/

But I got tired of measuring things.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by moda0306 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:59 am

Started using "No Salt."

Thanks for the advice!

By the way, I used to eat cereal all the time, and I have a question.... I realize there are a lot of grainy/sugary/dairy-y reasons to not like cereal, but I rarely hear from anti-cereal folks even the slightest credit given to the fact that they are vitamin & mineral fortified.  I realize supplements are NOT perfect, and in the case of iron and others, can sometimes be dangerous, but I notice that when I take my multivitamin, even with lots of food, my urine turns colors.  My Total Raisin Bran never did that to me, nor did it taste funny.  Does anyone here want to comment on vitamin/mineral fortification in foods?  Is it better/worse than just taking a multivitamin with a fatty meal?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Jack Jones » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:20 am

I'd prefer my food to not be fortified and to supplement myself. I think foods are fortified as more of a public health issue.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by l82start » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:11 am

i am drawing a blank on the details, but i saw a connection being made between obesity epidemics and food fortification somewhere,  the correlation (not necessarily causation) appeared pretty strong with the evidence given...
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