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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:35 pm

Rich Froning works out more in a day than I do in a month, and eats more carbs in a day than I do in about 2 weeks. Hard to make a comparison, but thanks.

BMI range is normal, but at the high end. Waist to hip ratio is ok, waist to height is ok. I am easily in the acceptable range for body fat %.

Various other calculators show me at a perfectly fine weight for my frame size (~medium).

Maybe time to stop giving a shit.

This is an interesting calculator that hits the nail on the head for the way I think about weight.

https://halls.md/ideal-weight/body.htm
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:36 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:35 pm
Rich Froning works out more in a day than I do in a month, and eats more carbs in a day than I do in about 2 weeks. Hard to make a comparison, but thanks.
He was definitely not included for comparison, he's kind of a freak. You should work out more often though. Can you at least cram as much PB as he does?
BMI range is normal, but at the high end. Waist to hip ratio is ok, waist to height is ok. I am easily in the acceptable range for body fat %.

Various other calculators show me at a perfectly fine weight for my frame size (~medium).

This is an interesting calculator that hits the nail on the head for the way I think about weight.

https://halls.md/ideal-weight/body.htm

Maybe time to stop giving a shit.
Glad I could help ;D
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by pugchief » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:25 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:35 pm
Rich Froning works out more in a day than I do in a month, and eats more carbs in a day than I do in about 2 weeks. Hard to make a comparison, but thanks.

BMI range is normal, but at the high end. Waist to hip ratio is ok, waist to height is ok. I am easily in the acceptable range for body fat %.

Various other calculators show me at a perfectly fine weight for my frame size (~medium).

Maybe time to stop giving a shit.

This is an interesting calculator that hits the nail on the head for the way I think about weight.

https://halls.md/ideal-weight/body.htm
Maybe more weightlifting and less cardio (bike riding)?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:37 pm

I dislike weightlifting, one of the reasons I quit football in high school.

The biking I do gets me into theoretical fat burning heart rate zone, I don’t go for crazy sprint speeds. Heart about 130 to 150 max.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:24 am

Something I noticed, since I've always been a space buff and I've been reading and looking at a lot of archive videos and books and magazines from Apollo.

Look at the crowds watching the Apollo launches. Look at the workers. Look at the mission control people.

Find me an overweight/obese one. Bet you can't.

Grains, sugar and vegetable oils. I don't think it's because they exercised more or smoked or drank less or ate less meat!

I have a friend, my age, who I see once a year. Last Thanksgiving, told me he had diabetes and was taking medication (52). I sent him some lo carb/sugar/keto related links. He's lost 70 pounds and is off meds, mainly by just cutting out sugar.

It frustrates me to no end to see what's happening to this aspect of our society, and seeing all the medicine commercials on TV especially bothers me. A relative who died young a few years ago (early 60s) literally told me, hey, I can eat whatever I want, then I just have to take a pill (diabetes).

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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by sophie » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:43 am

Yup, I have no doubt that the introduction of low fat processed foods and the promotion of grain products was a major trigger, plus companies really started getting good at sneaking sugar into everything to cut costs. I recently started a keto diet (trying to shed those postmenopausal pounds) and went through the cabinets looking for contraband. I was amazed at how many things contained sugar. I even found it in olives and gourmet chipotle mayonnaise. And I thought I was pretty good at avoiding the stuff!

If you look at the most recent Dietary Guidelines document (2015), there is a subtle shift to demonizing saturated fats and simple sugars. There is no longer a maximum recommended intake of fats, only saturated fats (10% of calories). But, the document promotes grains (complex carbohydrates), lean meats, defatted dairy (no fat or 1% milk), and vegetable oils. And, it was pretty disheartening to read statements in the "science behind these recommendations" sections that were blatantly untrue, or at best misleading (e.g. "saturated fats have been repeatedly shown to cause heart disease"). Keto dieters who have reversed type 2 diabetes would laugh at this...

In honor of this I plan to get some pork shoulder and lard, and make sausages this weekend!
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:41 am

sophie wrote:
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In honor of this I plan to get some pork shoulder and lard, and make sausages this weekend!
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Xan » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:27 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:41 am
sophie wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:43 am
In honor of this I plan to get some pork shoulder and lard, and make sausages this weekend!
:)
What time should we come over??
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:55 am

sophie wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:43 am
If you look at the most recent Dietary Guidelines document (2015), there is a subtle shift to demonizing saturated fats and simple sugars. There is no longer a maximum recommended intake of fats, only saturated fats (10% of calories). But, the document promotes grains (complex carbohydrates), lean meats, defatted dairy (no fat or 1% milk), and vegetable oils.
You're saying that like it's a bad thing? Lean meats and low fat dairy (if you can process lactose, obviously) are great! Vegetable oils like coconut and olive seem ok, I don't use them though. Even grains aren't evil. It's tough to get fat eating oatmeal.
In honor of this I plan to get some pork shoulder and lard, and make sausages this weekend!
Mmmmmmmmm. I have a pork shoulder in the freezer that I'm gonna make this week. Sound the feasting horn!
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:03 pm

Before I get at that pork though, I'm going to make some beef and corn soup with some of the corn I grew in my backyard. Even corn is tough to overeat in it's unprocessed form. It's pretty similar to oatmeal, with slightly more carbs and calories.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by sophie » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:31 am

They specifically excluded tropical oils from "vegetable oils".

It is about demonizing. A message about "moderation" and advice to limit sugar and processed foods would have been more useful, but I guess politically unpalatable. I'm surprised that the saturated fat message didn't get more protest, but I guess the promoting of lean meats got them past that. And while you may not get fat on grains, some people do. Even whole grains are still too much for some (me, for example).

Nothing wrong with lean meats, it's just that non-lean meats are good too. Not to mention that you can't get lean meats separately from the non-lean cuts, so what's supposed to happen to those?? Similarly, what happens to the fat skimmed off milk?

C'mon over anytime! Homemade sausage turns out to be super simple, yummy, and about 1/3 the price of pre-made stuff (that doesn't taste like cardboard).
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:26 am

sophie wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:31 am
They specifically excluded tropical oils from "vegetable oils".
Oh ok.
It is about demonizing. A message about "moderation" and advice to limit sugar and processed foods would have been more useful, but I guess politically unpalatable. I'm surprised that the saturated fat message didn't get more protest, but I guess the promoting of lean meats got them past that. And while you may not get fat on grains, some people do. Even whole grains are still too much for some (me, for example).
It's funny they keep putting out their recommendations. Everybody knows people are gonna keep pounding down pizza and Oreos.
Nothing wrong with lean meats, it's just that non-lean meats are good too.
Yes, quite true.
Not to mention that you can't get lean meats separately from the non-lean cuts, so what's supposed to happen to those??
The people who want them will buy them? Hopefully cheaper, since people might not want them! I was listening to a podcast with a butcher, and he talked about how back in the day a particular cut of beef (can't remember which) was practically given away since nobody wanted it. Then it got popular and expensive. I guess this happens regularly. The meat industry is so efficient.

Similarly, what happens to the fat skimmed off milk?
Doesn't it get sold as heavy cream? EDIT and butter?
C'mon over anytime!
How nice 8)
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