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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by pugchief » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:47 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:22 am
I've been taking zinc, magnesium, B6, fish oil, and D3 before going to sleep, and I've been sleeping even more like a stone than usual, with the added bonus of insane technicolor LSD dreams.
Interesting. I take most of that in the morning after breakfast, and it doesn't make me tired or hallucinate. ???
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kbg » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:51 pm

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Assuming you don't suffer from a chronic health condition, the human body does not need supplements in pill form if you eat a healthy, varied diet. That said, I take these supplements:
  • Multi-vitamin - Doctor recommended as a "safety net" just in case I'm missing anything in my vegetarian diet (unlikely).
  • Calcium - I eat very little dairy (mostly a little cheese here and there), so again, just a safety net.
  • Vitamin D3 - Doctor recommended 5000IU daily. Whatever you say, doc.
  • Low-dose aspirin - Twice weekly now that I'm over 50, for the potential protection against heart attacks, strokes, and colon cancer.
I used to also take vitamin C thinking that it warded off colds, but I eat fresh fruits and vegetables every day so I already intake a good quantity of natural vitamin C and I have not noticed an increase in illness since I stopped taking it in pill form. Leaves me with more money to invest in the Permanent Portfolio. ;)
Apparently a new study (financed by Bayer) indicates aspirin and fish oil supplements have no real benefits for heart health and increase gastro problems. Probably not the drones Bayer was looking for.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by sophie » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:58 am

Anyone else try the Ashwaganda? That's an interesting observation Maddy!

There's too many excellent questions about the benefits of vitamins & supplements. I think the evidence in their favor is mostly based on association studies, which is a deeply flawed way of selecting interventions. I cut way down on calcium supplements after some reports that they may exacerbate or trigger heart disease (arterial calcium buildup). At my next dexascan my bone density actually increased - so much for that!

So I started focusing instead in eating locally grown produce, reasoning that most produce in supermarkets is nutritionally subpar - organic or no. This is easy in the summer with farmer's markets everywhere, and I really do feel the difference. For the other three seasons, I've been experimenting with indoor/home hydroponics, first with an Aerogarden, then decided to go whole hog with a DIY ebb and flow system. Obviously my time is very limited (the tenured professor gig has been getting seriously demanding) so I've been putting it together slowly. Fun little project. Does anyone else do this?? I am puzzling over all kinds of silly little things like how much space to allow between shelves.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Maddy » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:13 pm

Sophie, if you have time, would you post pictures? Our winter is VERY long, so I'm interested in anything relating to indoor growing. Could your system be used on a scale that could provide a meaningful yield through the winter? With what types of vegetables are you having the greatest success?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by sophie » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:57 pm

Hooray Maddy, hope you get to try building your own hydroponics system this winter! DIY is absolutely the way to go. Kits and complete systems are available, but the markup is absolutely astounding and in the end you get an unflexible system that may or may not work for you.

I'm growing mainly leafy greens like lettuce, kale, chard, beet greens, arugula, mizuna, and herbs. You could do tomatoes, peppers, and strawberries also. Will post pictures when I'm done, but right now there's a lot of trial and error. Unfortunately there are no guides I could find online that offer useful help with specifics, like how do you set up the system to be absolutely leakproof, make it easy to rinse and refill the reservoir, and can be left alone for a week while you're away without disaster striking. Most guides provide only high level overviews, and the rest are people growing pot in large tents.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:23 pm

Kbg wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:51 pm
rocketdog wrote:
Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:59 am
Assuming you don't suffer from a chronic health condition, the human body does not need supplements in pill form if you eat a healthy, varied diet. That said, I take these supplements:
  • Multi-vitamin - Doctor recommended as a "safety net" just in case I'm missing anything in my vegetarian diet (unlikely).
  • Calcium - I eat very little dairy (mostly a little cheese here and there), so again, just a safety net.
  • Vitamin D3 - Doctor recommended 5000IU daily. Whatever you say, doc.
  • Low-dose aspirin - Twice weekly now that I'm over 50, for the potential protection against heart attacks, strokes, and colon cancer.
I used to also take vitamin C thinking that it warded off colds, but I eat fresh fruits and vegetables every day so I already intake a good quantity of natural vitamin C and I have not noticed an increase in illness since I stopped taking it in pill form. Leaves me with more money to invest in the Permanent Portfolio. ;)
Apparently a new study (financed by Bayer) indicates aspirin and fish oil supplements have no real benefits for heart health and increase gastro problems. Probably not the drones Bayer was looking for.
There’s an ­unspoken rule in the pharmaceutical industry that half of all academic biomedical research will ultimately prove false, and in 2011 a group of researchers at Bayer decided to test it. Looking at sixty-seven recent drug discovery projects based on preclinical cancer biology research, they found that in more than 75 percent of cases the published data did not match up with their in-house attempts to replicate. These were not studies published in fly-by-night oncology journals, but blockbuster research featured in Science, Nature, Cell, and the like. The Bayer researchers were drowning in bad studies, and it was to this, in part, that they attributed the mysteriously declining yields of drug pipelines. Perhaps so many of these new drugs fail to have an effect because the basic research on which their development was based isn’t valid.

- William Wilson, Scientific Regress
I wonder which one was wrong, this new study from Bayer, or all the ones that show benefits from fish oil, for instance these older ones?
I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. Who knows whether that person will be wise or foolish? Yet they will have control over all the fruit of my toil into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. . . Nothing is better for a man than to eat and drink and enjoy his work.
- Ecclesiastes
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by pugchief » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:45 pm

Apparently, there is also a vague link to increased incidence of prostate cancer in men who take fish oil capsules. You just don't know who to believe anymore. :'(
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Mark Leavy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm

Who knows, these days?

My current supplement/nutrition regimen is:

After morning shower...
1 ) A full pot of coffee while reading the news.
2 ) Serious weight lifting

After gym...
3 ) 6 egg yolks stirred into a half a cup of Orange Juice.
4 ) 50 grams of Hydrolyzed Collagen and 4 grams of salt mixed with 400ml of hot water.
5 ) 3000 mg of NAC - spread throughout the day.

Mid day...
6 ) Many miles of walking up and down hills with lots of sunshine on my torso.

Late day...
7 ) A big ass steak and a bottle of wine.
8 ) Some sort of sex.
9 ) 8 to 10 hours of sleep.
10 ) Repeat

Not a lot of science that will vouch for me, but it seems to be working. And I've experimented with everything for a long time...
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:54 am

pugchief wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:45 pm
Apparently, there is also a vague link to increased incidence of prostate cancer in men who take fish oil capsules. You just don't know who to believe anymore. :'(
What, with an N of 8? ::)

I say go for common sense. Fish is good for you. Fish oil probably is too.

Mark, we're on the same page. If I didn't know any better, I'd think your last name was Sisson. But I have to ask, WTF is up with that eggs and orange juice combo?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by pugchief » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:03 am

Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm
Who knows, these days?

My current supplement/nutrition regimen is:

After morning shower...
1 ) A full pot of coffee while reading the news.
2 ) Serious weight lifting

After gym...
3 ) 6 egg yolks stirred into a half a cup of Orange Juice.
4 ) 50 grams of Hydrolyzed Collagen and 4 grams of salt mixed with 400ml of hot water.
5 ) 3000 mg of NAC - spread throughout the day.

Mid day...
6 ) Many miles of walking up and down hills with lots of sunshine on my torso.

Late day...
7 ) A big ass steak and a bottle of wine.
8 ) Some sort of sex.
9 ) 8 to 10 hours of sleep.
10 ) Repeat

Not a lot of science that will vouch for me, but it seems to be working. And I've experimented with everything for a long time...
-Why don't you want the egg whites (protein) after lifting weights?
-Is the HC for your joints? Would the addition of the egg whites be too much protein?
-That seems like an awful lot of salt....
-What specifically are you hoping to gain via the N-AC? The studies don't seem that conclusive.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kbg » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:08 am

It's incredibly hard if not impossible to find nutrition data you can use...it sucks. I get it that as new studies come out things change, but a "here is the current consensus on X" kinda website would be awesome.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Don » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:10 am

Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm
Who knows, these days?

My current supplement/nutrition regimen is:

After morning shower...
1 ) A full pot of coffee while reading the news.
2 ) Serious weight lifting

After gym...
3 ) 6 egg yolks stirred into a half a cup of Orange Juice.
4 ) 50 grams of Hydrolyzed Collagen and 4 grams of salt mixed with 400ml of hot water.
5 ) 3000 mg of NAC - spread throughout the day.

Mid day...
6 ) Many miles of walking up and down hills with lots of sunshine on my torso.

Late day...
7 ) A big ass steak and a bottle of wine.
8 ) Some sort of sex.
9 ) 8 to 10 hours of sleep.
10 ) Repeat

Not a lot of science that will vouch for me, but it seems to be working. And I've experimented with everything for a long time...
Where do you go for #8?
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