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It all depends where they are from ...it is a numbers game ...come from a low risk area few may get it ...have a funeral with thousands from New York like the orthodox community did and you had loads infected

Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:33 pm

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:46 pm The fun will be when those not vaccinated want to go to all the places vaccinated people go and do all the things they do and all those unvaccinated people that go make each other good and sick ...

I think you miss that the deliberately unvaccinated understand and accept this risk.

Well, that would be fun. That would be how life was when life was fun.

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:42 pm

Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:33 pm

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:46 pm The fun will be when those not vaccinated want to go to all the places vaccinated people go and do all the things they do and all those unvaccinated people that go make each other good and sick ...

I think you miss that the deliberately unvaccinated understand and accept this risk.

Well, that would be fun. That would be how life was when life was fun.

Exactly. To me the most important questions are 1) why is there little correlation between states which shut down/masked hard (or remained open) and per capita hospitalizations and deaths per state. 2) What is the statistical probability of a person getting hospitalized or dying from Covid vs the statistical risks they take every day such as swimming, skiing, running, climbing on a ladder etc? Those suggest to me that the overreaction of society from Covid is huge, despite the problems it causes in some patients.

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:46 pm
The fun will be when those not vaccinated want to go to all the places vaccinated people go and do all the things they do and all those unvaccinated people that go make each other good and sick ...

At least one business in "No masks mandated" Texas seriously shares your overall stance as evidenced by the below...

Vinny


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... p_national


Maskless woman is handcuffed at bank a day after Texas lifts mandates
Hannah Knowles
As Galveston lifted its mask mandate Wednesday on the orders of the Texas governor, officials urged people to continue to respect the rules of business owners.

Within a day, one woman’s refusal to do that had ended in handcuffs, a struggle with police and a trip to the hospital.

Confronted Thursday at a Bank of America in Galveston, Terry Wright scoffed at the idea that she could face criminal consequences. “What are you going to do, arrest me?” she said to a police officer, who had just informed her � in an exchangee captured on body camera � that if staff told her to leeave, she had to comply.

“The law says that I do not have to wear a mask,” Wright insisted, stating incorrectly that she was in a “public place.”

A minute and a half later, Wright was crouched on the floor, hands cuffed behind her back.

“Police brutality right here, people,” she said toward the people still in line.

“No, it is not,” said another.

Wright’s defiance came as Republican Gov. Greg Abbott’s decision to drop mask mandates � and to let buusinesses operate at full capacity � leaves store ownerss to make and enforce their own rules. Texas and other states are moving to swiftly reopen their economies and end restrictions meant to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Millions of people have been vaccinated, but with virus variants spreading and most Americans still awaiting their shots, health officials say it’s far too early to ditch face coverings.

Thursday’s struggle at the bank underscored the challenges of maintaining mask requirements � though Wright said in an interviiew that she has never covered her face inside stores, statewide orders or not. Galveston police say they have issued a warrant for the 65-year-old’s arrest on allegations of trespass and resisting arrest.

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:25 pm I only wish that there was a way to magically give the antivaxers and anti maskers a good does of it ..nothing fatal , but enough to take the smirk off their face and the thinking they know better just so they understand what it’s like ..maybe just enough for a two week stint in the hospital like we had...

I respect anyone’s choice not to do something ..but then they shouldn’t don’t benefit from everyone else doing it as life normalizes from vaccinations.

Maybe give them an identifying badge and keep them away from higher risk places , maybe even their job if they can effect others

Seriously Mathjak, Where were you all this year (pre-vaccine). I was on the front lines trying to acquire antibodies in the only scientifically proven way (lap dances at speakeasy strip clubs). While I have been risking my life this entire year - searching for immunity- you spent the time cowering in your bunker like a fucking draft dodger.

You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.

And where did it get you?

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:38 pm People need to follow the (legal) rules of any business they patronize. If they don't like the rules, they should go elsewhere. The question is why are they still requiring masks if the state lifted the order?

Pretty much every business has decided to stay with masks, making the mandate lift meaningless. A few grocery stores initially said they would not require masks but quickly backtracked after the public backlash. My experience in the North Texas area is that most people are in favor of mask wearing and they are definitely MUCH louder than the “free breathers”.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:38 pm
People need to follow the (legal) rules of any business they patronize. If they don't like the rules, they should go elsewhere. The question is why are they still requiring masks if the state lifted the order?

Because any (private) business is allowed to make its own rules as long as it not against the law.

I’ve been intrigued by the Florida response. I was in the state when it was first opened up.

For a few days no one knew what to do. The national chains still had corporate rules, but the local cashiers weren’t sure what to do.

After a while, they settled on corporate and most of the locals obliged - honoring the store rules.

But as the months have passed, more and more locals are walking in unmasked - and then if challenged - selecting a different vendor.

The result is that fewer businesses are enforcing the mask thing. Many still have a perfunctory “please mask” sign but almost no enforcement.

I’ve hit several states since then, but I don’t see any reason to be out of Florida until the rest of the country figures it out.

I haven’t worn a mask since I picked up my gal at the airport in Atlanta a month ago.

Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:44 pm
I haven’t worn a mask since I picked up my gal at the airport in Atlanta a month ago.

I'm sorry to hear about your demise ML.

The Covid cultists will surely rejoice at the death of another heretic.

Science is always changing .

The cdc and all govt organizations told healthcare workers they can use surgical masks if they were not doing procedures like intubation , cpat or other procedures that expose them since there was not enough kn95 masks .

30,000 healthcare workers died from covid exposure ....surgical masks are for large droplets , not aerated fine droplets from cough or sneezes when in close proximity to sick covid patients.

Surgical masks were not the proper masks for the conditions

SomeDude wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:06 am

Mark Leavy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:44 pm
I haven’t worn a mask since I picked up my gal at the airport in Atlanta a month ago.

I'm sorry to hear about your demise ML.

The Covid cultists will surely rejoice at the death of another heretic.

Wow, this is the second time I’ve been called a cult member within 7 days in this forum. It’s indirect and i don’t mind, but that’s a lot.
Once for commenting that Bill Gates did a lot for sanitation and fighting disease in India and once for wearing a mask.

Anyway, I don’t know anyone who is hospitalized this month but I know another person who has died from it, and I am pretty sure they were recently in hospital.

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:33 am Science is always changing .

The cdc and all govt organizations told healthcare workers they can use surgical masks if they were not doing procedures like intubation , cpat or other procedures that expose them since there was not enough kn95 masks .

30,000 healthcare workers died from covid exposure ....surgical masks are for large droplets , not aerated fine droplets from cough or sneezes when in close proximity to sick covid patients.

Surgical masks were not the proper masks for the conditions

A few months into this whole thing Karl Denninger noted that healthcare workers were likely to be major contributors to the spread of the virus. They had insufficient PPE at their facilities and then were allowed to go home, go shopping, go to work at multiple other facilities, etc.

Science is always on going ..but that never means mistakes weren’t made along the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRgVLJSwhIc

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:38 pm People need to follow the (legal) rules of any business they patronize. If they don't like the rules, they should go elsewhere. The question is why are they still requiring masks if the state lifted the order?

An article appearing earlier this week (can't remember where) explored the fact that many of the people they interviewed found masks "freeing." The individuals quoted had a curious thing in common: They preferred being "distanced" from other people and not having to interact directly with them. Several commented about how nice it was to go unrecognized in public. For others, having half their face covered at all times gave them one less cause for anxiety about how they look.

I've witnessed that very thing for some time now, especially within the population of self-proclaimed progressives. Despite all the talk about "community" and "social this, social that," these people in fact detest social interaction except within a small inner circle of well-vetted, like-minded peers. Witness the extent to which this population has latched on to the idea of drive-through banking, automated check-out lines, telemedicine, Zoom meetings, online "facetime" with family, automated telephone menus, "virtual sex," and even on-line "hookups" with people they will never actually meet. The extent to which text messaging has replaced in-person exchanges, telephone calls, and even e-mail messages speaks volumes. I'm convinced that CoVid could disappear tomorrow and that these distancing devices would still thrive.

SomeDude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:44 am I looked at the rona stats and allegedly 1.7M people have tested positive in the last 30 days. Let's call that 1/200 people.

So even if you believe rona is real and not a hoax, those numbers are so tiny, is anyone even sick from this allegedly? Does anyone here on the internet even know anyone sick from the "pandemic"?

Why are people wearing masks still and why is it illegal for so many people to engage in commerce across the country?

Main question is, does anyone know anyone who is sick allegedly from rona?

As if this was actually a legit question vs. baiting the board.

If you can find the latest virus numbers you can also find the latest hospitalization numbers or does the fact that people are also hospitalized dispute your pre decided narrative?

I sorta like what the good comrades at the socialist ministry of health propaganda put out.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... index.html

Of note, whatever your source is apparently isn't very good at math either.

I think it's gonna be awesome when the fake shots make the fake virus go away because you know the 1800 deaths last week really don't matter because they're fake too.

Kbg wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:48 am

SomeDude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:44 am I looked at the rona stats and allegedly 1.7M people have tested positive in the last 30 days. Let's call that 1/200 people.

So even if you believe rona is real and not a hoax, those numbers are so tiny, is anyone even sick from this allegedly? Does anyone here on the internet even know anyone sick from the "pandemic"?

Why are people wearing masks still and why is it illegal for so many people to engage in commerce across the country?

Main question is, does anyone know anyone who is sick allegedly from rona?

As if this was actually a legit question vs. baiting the board.

If you can find the latest virus numbers you can also find the latest hospitalization numbers or does the fact that people are also hospitalized dispute your pre decided narrative?

I sorta like what the good comrades at the socialist ministry of health propaganda put out.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... index.html

Of note, whatever your source is apparently isn't very good at math either.

I think it's gonna be awesome when the fake shots make the fake virus go away because you know the 1800 deaths last week really don't matter because they're fake too.

Do you know anyone currently hospitalized for the pandemic KBG? I've still never met someone in person who's told me they know anyone who's been hospitalized. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened i just haven't heard of it.

Also, since the number of reported positive tests is down so much, I'm just wondering if anyone knows anyone currently hospitalized or if this pandemic is all behind us.

I'm assuming from your response the answer is no, like me you don't know anyone hospitalized from the pandemic.

Just got a message today from a friend an hour ago ..their mother has covid and is hospitalized with double pneumonia from covid


“My mom has covid she’s in the hospital”

“Double pneumonia I’m so upset“

SD,

Right now life is good. I don’t know anyone personally who is hospitalized. Two months ago, most definitely not the case...my personal experience, amazingly, closely follows those fake graphs. Wonder why?

I assume you read my post earlier on what I have encountered.

P.S. My left shoulder hurts tonight.

SomeDude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:05 pm

WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:17 am Yes - several people on this forum, and several people I know in real life. And by "case" I mean people who reported symptoms consistent with COVID and had a positive test to go with it. Not just a positive test with no symptoms - I know several people who had that, and I'm not counting them.

SomeDude you aren't going to get anywhere with this. COVID is a real virus. The issue is how to react to it, not whether it exists.

You know people currently hospitalized WiseOne?

I do know people who have been hospitalized in the past (and a couple of those died), and I know someone who has a relative who is hospitalized. Also my sister who is an ER physician is still seeing clinical COVID cases coming in, that she treats and admits. The moderate/severe cases are not difficult to diagnose based on history and presentation alone, there are very characteristic features like the "ground glass" appearance on chest Xray.

Also, we had a department meeting yesterday with our current COVID inpatient statistics. About 20% of hospitalized patients on my department's inpatient service have tested positive. Not all of them are COVID cases by the usual medical definition, but almost all of those in the ICUs are. They didn't give an overall proportion though.

Does that answer your question?

>20% of the daily tested people here are positive now (combined PCR and antigen). We are about to enter the 3rd national lockdown with almost everything closed. Its due to the British variant(B1.1.7) that is said to be more virulent and some 40-70% more transmittable. So, the wave nature of this pandemia becomes quite evident (at least in Europe). Vaccination is almost completely halted due to Astra-Zeneca being virtually forbidden by EMA (European Medicine Agency) that currently investigates on several thromboembolic events across the continent. On top of that, volumes we receive from Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are far from enough .. So, yeah party is not over ...

My daughter and 4 year old grandson came back positive today

A woman who sometimes works with my folks now has it. Don’t know if she’s hospitalized.

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:29 pm My daughter and 4 year old grandson came back positive today

Hope they recover soon ! Here we have approx. 130 kids hospitalized with covid pneumonias, which is quite frightening..
But of course without going personally in the stratosphere one can still believe Earth is flat (and there are no sick people). Waiting for my Pfizer shot on Monday, so let's see..

Thanks ....it has been picking up a bit again as we open up more and more here .

We have our second shot wed

mathjak107 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:12 pm Thanks ....it has been picking up a bit again as we open up more and more here .

We have our second shot wed

I thought that if you had the bug, you were only recommended to get the 1st shot. It seems like you might be taxing your immune system, which is already in overdrive.