Even though official mask mandates are gone from most business around here, the one exception is schools. Schools seem to still be on Defcon 2 for Covid. To me, nothing sums up Covid more than the fact that the population that is the least affected by it will be the last one to go back to "normal" if they ever do.murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:01 amIf it were about medicine, Ivermectin would be much more widely available. (Like in india, africa, Mexico, etc) Vitamin D would be encouraged as a standard regimen. There would not be a move to inject children, for whom the corona-cold is a microscopic risk.
Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan
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Sorry guys, I'm going to have to side with Dr. Ruben on this one.flyingpylon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 amYes, sorry for not including a sarcasm emoji.WiseOne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:13 amWas that intended to be sarcastic?flyingpylon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:37 pm Dr. Ruben on the FDA panel: "We're never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it. That's the way it goes."
Seems legit.
As Alec Baldwin showed us recently, we’re never gonna know if a gun is loaded until we squeeze the trigger. That’s just the way it goes.
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It's very touching to read about the trusting, gentle souls of these doctors who still presumably think that the adverse reactions they experience are a bug, and not a feature.
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For those who read the WSJ, look at the top comment under this article, ‘Help Really Wanted’, by Kevin H
https://on.wsj.com/3kd1kPW
Or know what’s in the bill until it’s passed?
https://on.wsj.com/3kd1kPW
Ooh, harsh
Or know what’s in the bill until it’s passed?
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Yeah, the Pelosi joke would have been even better, but alas, Mountaineer made it first.
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Darn, I’m no better than the Bogleheads who keep making the same jokes because they don’t bother to read the thread. Mountaineer, I owe you a fiver.Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:00 pmYeah, the Pelosi joke would have been even better, but alas, Mountaineer made it first.
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5 Bottles of Macallen 12 or 18 or Glenfiddich will suffice.dualstow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:19 pmDarn, I’m no better than the Bogleheads who keep making the same jokes because they don’t bother to read the thread. Mountaineer, I owe you a fiver.Tortoise wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:00 pmYeah, the Pelosi joke would have been even better, but alas, Mountaineer made it first.
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Bill Maher said Glen Youngkin sounds like Scotch you’d buy at CostCoMountaineer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:47 pm 5 Bottles of Macallen 12 or 18 or Glenfiddich will suffice.
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Ok, that's gooddualstow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:35 pmBill Maher said Glen Youngkin sounds like Scotch you’d buy at CostCoMountaineer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:47 pm 5 Bottles of Macallen 12 or 18 or Glenfiddich will suffice.
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Xan must just be acting the ham by teeing it up like that for you.WiseOne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:18 amOK let me spell it out for the logistically challenged.
Once the emergency approvals for the vaccines were issued and the push to vaccinate the entire US population began, the long accepted safety standards went out the window. i.e. it was no longer possible to fully test the vaccines' safety and efficacy in accordance with long accepted practices. Those practices were put into place after the thalidomide disaster in particular, but also after careful consideration over a long period of time. Throwing them out the window is not something that should be done lightly.
Given the above, the only alternative was to monitor for adverse events after the fact. If you have any better ideas on how to do this, I'm all ears. Or, if you wish to make the case that it is not necessary to monitor for adverse events, do tell.
I personally would have preferred an approach of offering the vaccine to people at high risk for COVID complications but not to healthy individuals until clinical trials could be completed and/or a careful monitoring system put into place. But as I indicated above, and as anyone not living under a rock for the past year undoubtedly is aware, that ship sailed a long time ago.
What I am NOT happy about is giving people the vaccine (and especially mandating it) with no systematic effort to monitor for adverse events, and a policy of only responding to things that come to light purely by accident.
WiseOne, what motives and/or conclusions do you draw from the suppression of the established norms.
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I think we can safely conclude that Governor Newsome did not get the placebo. RFK Jr makes excellent point
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So I ask again, why would you trust the claims of safety and effectiveness from people who are openly on record of wanting to reduce global population?
So I ask again, why would you trust the claims of safety and effectiveness from people who are openly on record of wanting to reduce global population?
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FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data
They say there are 329,000 pages of data so they propose releasing it at a rate of 500 pages per month.
Seems legit.
They say there are 329,000 pages of data so they propose releasing it at a rate of 500 pages per month.
Seems legit.
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Ron Destantis is signing an anti-vaxx mandate bill today in Brandon, Florida.
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That seems to be more symbolic than anything else right? Biden's people claim that OSHA overrides any state rules as far as workplace safety. So if using OSHA to force vaccines goes thru then the state law would not matter.
I do enjoy the Brandon bit though.
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It might depend on whether the legal status of nullification gets a revival. Back in the day states passed laws that federal agents attempting to enforce a tariff would be hanged without benefit of clergy. De Santis is tame by comparison!jalanlong wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:28 amThat seems to be more symbolic than anything else right? Biden's people claim that OSHA overrides any state rules as far as workplace safety. So if using OSHA to force vaccines goes thru then the state law would not matter.
I do enjoy the Brandon bit though.
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I'm hoping Trump doesn't run so De Santis can get the nomination.Xan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:54 amIt might depend on whether the legal status of nullification gets a revival. Back in the day states passed laws that federal agents attempting to enforce a tariff would be hanged without benefit of clergy. De Santis is tame by comparison!jalanlong wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:28 amThat seems to be more symbolic than anything else right? Biden's people claim that OSHA overrides any state rules as far as workplace safety. So if using OSHA to force vaccines goes thru then the state law would not matter.
I do enjoy the Brandon bit though.
It's not that I don't like Trump but he comes with too much baggage at this point and if he gets elected he'll be a lame duck president before he even gets started.
I think 8 years of DeSantis would be just what the country needs right now.
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A politician realize what is best for the country? That will be a pretty short list.MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:27 pmI agree with all 3 of those statements. I just hope Trump can see past his narcissism long enough to realize that is what is best for the party and the country.pp4me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:12 pm
I'm hoping Trump doesn't run so De Santis can get the nomination.
It's not that I don't like Trump but he comes with too much baggage at this point and if he gets elected he'll be a lame duck president before he even gets started.
I think 8 years of DeSantis would be just what the country needs right now.
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On the other hand if Trump wins the nomination he could make DeSantis his running mate and put him in charge of the border like Biden has done with Kamala. Would be an increasing contrast, would it not? So 4 years of Trump, followed by 8 of DeSantis doesn't sound so bad either.MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:27 pmI agree with all 3 of those statements. I just hope Trump can see past his narcissism long enough to realize that is what is best for the party and the country.pp4me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:12 pm
I'm hoping Trump doesn't run so De Santis can get the nomination.
It's not that I don't like Trump but he comes with too much baggage at this point and if he gets elected he'll be a lame duck president before he even gets started.
I think 8 years of DeSantis would be just what the country needs right now.
Only problem with that is DeSantis wouldn't be a "historic" vice president like Kamala since he's white. Or is he? What is the ethnicity of the name DeSantis any way? Has to be something historic about it if you look hard enough.
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pp4me wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:42 pm
On the other hand if Trump wins the nomination he could make DeSantis his running mate and put him in charge of the border like Biden has done with Kamala. Would be an increasing contrast, would it not? So 4 years of Trump, followed by 8 of DeSantis doesn't sound so bad either.
Only problem with that is DeSantis wouldn't be a "historic" vice president like Kamala since he's white. Or is he? What is the ethnicity of the name DeSantis any way? Has to be something historic about it if you look hard enough.
My initial was that it was Italian because a lot of Italian names begin with "De"...but my mother had taught me that Italian names ended in a vowel. So I was surprised to find out that he is Italian.
Birth Name: Ronald Dion DeSantis
Place of Birth: Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.
Date of Birth: September 14, 1978
Ethnicity: Italian
By the way...the other day I was telling someone that we'd never had an Italian president...just like we've never had a president of many other ethnicities.
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I heard today that someone who is unvaccinated is 12 times as likely to die from Covid 19 than someone who is vaccinated.
If you stipulated that that is a true fact....would that sway you from being unvaccinated to being vaccinated?
Or, are you seeing that either that the odds of you contracting it and dying are so tiny that 12 times that number is still a tiny number or you still do not trust the side effects of any vaccines or both?
By the way I learned some other interesting items from the person who was on C-Span Washington Journal this morning.
In the case of Chicken Pox / Shingles. I had the first but not yet the second. Once you get Chicken Pox it remains in your body but your immune system protects you from getting it again. Until you age and your immunity system wanes and it is no longer able to fully protect you..which then makes you susceptible to getting shingles.
On the other hand, Covid 19 does not remain in your body and does not re-occur when your immunity system wanes.
What long covid is is someone's body's immune system working against it for a long period of time.
If you stipulated that that is a true fact....would that sway you from being unvaccinated to being vaccinated?
Or, are you seeing that either that the odds of you contracting it and dying are so tiny that 12 times that number is still a tiny number or you still do not trust the side effects of any vaccines or both?
By the way I learned some other interesting items from the person who was on C-Span Washington Journal this morning.
In the case of Chicken Pox / Shingles. I had the first but not yet the second. Once you get Chicken Pox it remains in your body but your immune system protects you from getting it again. Until you age and your immunity system wanes and it is no longer able to fully protect you..which then makes you susceptible to getting shingles.
On the other hand, Covid 19 does not remain in your body and does not re-occur when your immunity system wanes.
What long covid is is someone's body's immune system working against it for a long period of time.
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