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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by vnatale » Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:23 pm

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Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:10 pm

Following up on Johnnywitts excellent post, what's perhaps even more disappointing is that today every single person has the ability to seek out independent voices and credible opinions which expose the covidian dictatorship for what it is.


However .... the same can be said - " that today every single person has the ability to seek out independent voices and credible opinions which' - to counter what both you and Johnnywitt espouse.

Not making a judgment on whether the of you or the other side is correct. Just that both sides can be equally supported.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by vnatale » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:57 pm

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... des-strong

Israeli study supports Pfizer findings that booster provides strong protection against omicron
BY CAROLINE VAKIL - 12/11/21 08:19 PM EST


I did get my third shot on Tuesday. Just as the two earlier shots in the spring plus the flu shot in September .... I had no reactions. Tuesday night spent several hours moving around heavy boxes in my basement.

Now my mask wearing experiences on Tuesday ....

I generally wear a mask few to no hours during a week because I'm home almost all week.

Tuesday I went to for my first physical therapy appointment for my wrist. Got out of the car and was on my way in when I realized, "Oh, I need to be wearing a mask." Saw total compliance inside.

Then I stopped at my eye doctor's office to ask a question. Again did the same thing. Got out of my car then went back to it to get my mask. Again saw 100% compliance.

I then went to a friend's house who does not at all believe in vaccinations -- going back to the early 70s when she had her children.

After being with her I went to get my third vaccine shot at CVS. Was surprised to see the mandatory mask sign on the door. Fortunately, I still had mine in my pocket, negating another trip back to the car. Again 100% compliance there.

My final stop was at Stop & Shop.

I did not wear my mask into there and there were no signs that it was mandatory. But I was completely surprised by what I saw. I was in the distinct minority -- just about all other shoppers there WERE wearing masks but almost no one who worked there was wearing one. Totally the opposite to what I'd have guessed.

Side note. Last spring there was a long period of time wherein the flavors of Frisky's cat food my cats like were not available -- there, Amazon, Walmart, Chewy's. But there was plenty of Frisky's that they did not like plus other brands.

At this trip to Stop and Shop I saw that there was practically NO canned cat food of any time. When I came home I did an inventory and saw that I had a 78 day supply for them. About 100 days if I cut their food intake by 25% but then all of them will be constantly be waking me up during the night to let me know that I've dared let their food dish be empty at some point in the night.

Back to the mask wearing.

Yesterday I again ventured out of my house to get my car inspected plus get my studded snow tires put on my car.

Same experience. Get out of my car, see a sign on the door, and go back to my car to get my mask.

Again 100% compliance among all the customers. However, when I was leaving I saw another sign inside that said, "Per Town of Greenfield mandate masks must be worn starting December 13th", and I told myself that this is December 10th so I did NOT have to be wearing that mask!
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by vnatale » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:06 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:02 am

johnnywitt wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:47 pm

I know people die of Covid and there are Long Haulers and all that, but 60k die of the regular flu every year and we don't go all batshit about that and mask up with cloth masks that do exactly Dick All to prevent viral transmission. People really are a bunch of F*cktards!



This^


Maybe this will raise the level of concern for all the deaths from the regular flu?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the United States is decidedly a more individualistic society in that people decide first what is best for themselves and not for the greater society. On the other hand Japan has a society wherein people decide first what is best for society.

A few excerpts from here:

Coronavirus: Japan's mysteriously low virus death rate
By Rupert Wingfield-Hayes
BBC News, Tokyo

Published4 July 2020

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847

Professor Shibuya does not discount the possibility of regional differences in immunity or genetic susceptibility to Covid. But he is suspicious of the idea of a "Factor X" that explains the mortality differences.

He thinks countries that have done well in the fight against Covid, have done so for the same reason - they succeeded in dramatically reducing transmission.

Japanese people began wearing face masks more than 100 years ago during the 1919 flu pandemic and they've never really stopped. If you get a cough or a cold here it is expected that you will don a mask to protect those around you.

"I think it (a mask) acts as a physical barrier. But it also serves as a reminder to everybody to be mindful. That we still have to be careful around each other," says Keiji Fukuda, an influenza specialist and director of the School of Public Health at Hong Kong University.


Despite not ordering people to stay at home, on the whole, they did.

"It was lucky but also surprising," Prof Shibuya says. "Japan's mild lockdowns seems to have had a real lockdown effect. Japanese people complied despite the lack of draconian measures."

"How do you reduce contact between infected and uninfected people...? You need a certain kind of response from the public, which I don't think is going to be so easily replicated in other countries," adds Prof Fukuda.

Japan asked people to take care, stay away from crowded places, wear masks and wash their hands - and by and large, that is exactly what most people have done.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by dualstow » Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:33 pm

Vinny Vinny Vinny wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the United States is decidedly a more individualistic society in that people decide first what is best for themselves and not for the greater society. On the other hand Japan has a society wherein people decide first what is best for society.
Yes and no. They're really bad about moving out of the way when they exit an elevator or, believe it or not, bike riding.
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Post by flyingpylon » Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:29 am

Here's a very good video from Vinay Prasad regarding the recent paper from Ontario Canada that looked at the rates of myocarditis and pericarditis following mRNA vaccination. What's unique is that they specifically reported the rates for the various combinations of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. They found that the worst case scenario of getting Pfizer followed by Moderna resulted in a case rate of 1 in 1200 which is very high.

Video: Myocarditis data from Ontario Province: Specific Vaccine & Interval between Doses | A Must Read!

Paper: Epidemiology of myocarditis and pericarditis following mRNA vaccines in Ontario, Canada: by vaccine product, schedule and interval
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Post by jalanlong » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:11 pm

https://calmatters.org/newsletters/what ... emergency/

Can someone explain to me how exactly California can host a Superbowl, Rose Bowl game and Rose Bowl parade and the Governor can go on a book signing tour for his new children's book all during a state of emergency?
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by johnnywitt » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:43 pm

Italy just revised its numbers from the appx. 600k that died WITH COVID, to appx. 3k that died OF COVID.

The FDA now thinks it's prudent to delay release of the data from the PFE Mrna Vaccine to 75yrs because, well... nothing to hide here, eh.

Follow the money Folks.

Finally, and I'm the fuck outta this now, I will leave you with the words of Nasim Taleb, "intellectual yet idiot" kinda like the FED.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Xan » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:45 pm

johnnywitt wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Italy just revised its numbers from the appx. 600k that died WITH COVID, to appx. 3k that died OF COVID.
That's huge! Can you link to more information?
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Post by Cortopassi » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:47 pm

Xan wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:45 pm
johnnywitt wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Italy just revised its numbers from the appx. 600k that died WITH COVID, to appx. 3k that died OF COVID.
That's huge! Can you link to more information?
Yeah, yeah, I'd like to see that too. Uh huh. Don't think we will. And Italy never had 600k deaths. So two mis-statements.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-748677716173
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Post by johnnywitt » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:52 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:33 pm
Vinny Vinny Vinny wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the United States is decidedly a more individualistic society in that people decide first what is best for themselves and not for the greater society. On the other hand Japan has a society wherein people decide first what is best for society.
Yes and no. They're really bad about moving out of the way when they exit an elevator or, believe it or not, bike riding.
This is how authoritarians who are generally sociopaths themselves guilt & mindfuck normal Folks into following despotic regimes. It's a very old playbook that otherwise smart people just keep falling for over the ages. Psychopaths and high functioning sociopaths are absolutely brilliant at lying and manipulating others.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by whatchamacallit » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:41 pm

Xan wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:45 pm
johnnywitt wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Italy just revised its numbers from the appx. 600k that died WITH COVID, to appx. 3k that died OF COVID.
That's huge! Can you link to more information?
Best I could find googling.

This is probably the data that is being used:
It is in Italian

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronaviru ... ssi-italia

Chart at bottom has deceased with 0 pathologies as 3%

3% of 130,000 is just below 4000.



Edit:

Here is their report in English
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronav ... r_2021.pdf
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Post by barrett » Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:00 am

whatchamacallit wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:41 pm
Xan wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:45 pm
johnnywitt wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Italy just revised its numbers from the appx. 600k that died WITH COVID, to appx. 3k that died OF COVID.
That's huge! Can you link to more information?
Best I could find googling.

This is probably the data that is being used:
It is in Italian

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronaviru ... ssi-italia

Chart at bottom has deceased with 0 pathologies as 3%

3% of 130,000 is just below 4000.

Edit:

Here is their report in English
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronav ... r_2021.pdf
Interesting to see this data. But disregarding comorbidities is just cold. I've always tried to take care of my health but I am 63 and have had asthma all my life. My blood pressure would be elevated without medication. If I get sick and die of/with Covid, should my death be discounted? I'm in the gym most days, have very low body fat and great blood work. I am controlling what I can.

This all being said, I don't get why the US is not producing more of this data. With over 50,000,000 confirmed positive tests, we certainly have had plenty of opportunities to collect and analyze Covid data.
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Post by flyingpylon » Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:18 am

barrett wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:00 am

Interesting to see this data. But disregarding comorbidities is just cold. I've always tried to take care of my health but I am 63 and have had asthma all my life. My blood pressure would be elevated without medication. If I get sick and die of/with Covid, should my death be discounted? I'm in the gym most days, have very low body fat and great blood work. I am controlling what I can.

This all being said, I don't get why the US is not producing more of this data. With over 50,000,000 confirmed positive tests, we certainly have had plenty of opportunities to collect and analyze Covid data.
Your comorbidities should be discounted by people that do not also have them when calculating their personal level of risk from covid. That's not intended to be "cold", it just makes sense.
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Post by jalanlong » Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:07 am

barrett wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:00 am

Interesting to see this data. But disregarding comorbidities is just cold. I've always tried to take care of my health but I am 63 and have had asthma all my life. My blood pressure would be elevated without medication. If I get sick and die of/with Covid, should my death be discounted? I'm in the gym most days, have very low body fat and great blood work. I am controlling what I can.
Why is it not "cold" for the media to tell the public that their chances of dying from Covid are "X" when in fact they may be considerably less if they are not overweight or having respiratory issues? I assume you would not like to show up at your doctor's office in perfect health and for them to give you the % chances you will get diabetes without factoring in weight or diet.

My wife had breast cancer several years ago at age 35. The cancer doctor had a specific computer program where all of her data was entered and he was able to give her the chances of recurrence for each chosen treatment given everything that they knew. That was not "cold". We would want that data, not just data across the general public not tailored to her specifics.
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Post by I Shrugged » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:54 am

My feeling is that if an obese diabetic was living their normal life, and got covid and died, then covid killed them.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:44 pm

https://nonvenipacem.com/2021/12/14/fau ... -risky-ne/


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Post by barrett » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:22 am

murphy_p_t wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:44 pm
https://nonvenipacem.com/2021/12/14/fau ... -risky-ne/

fauci-admits-on-video-that-the-deathvaxx-might-be-causing-increased-infection-rates-and-enhanced-severity-and-it-wouldnt-be-a-surprise-because-weve-seen-all-this-before-with-risky-ne/
Murphy, do you ever dig a little bit on this stuff or just copy & paste on here? What you posted was taken out of context from a March 2020 video in which Fauci was explaining why it is important to actually study vaccines. From the interview transcript:

Zuckerberg: “One of the questions I’ve heard from a number of people is: Doing the safety trials obviously is incredibly important because you want to make sure you’re not injecting people with something that could be harmful. But once you have that, why not push harder on rolling it out more aggressively, even if you don’t know how effective it is? What’s the public health rationale and thinking behind needing to prove it’s extremely effective before rolling out something that you know is safe?”

Fauci: “OK, That’s a good question. The initial safety study, Mark, is to see if I inject it in the arm, does it have some sort of idiosyncratic or bad reaction? There is another element to safety, and that is if you vaccinate someone and they make an antibody response, and then they get exposed and infected, does the response that you induce actually enhance the infection, and make it worse?

And the only way you’ll know that is if you do an extended study, not in a normal volunteer who has a risk of infection, but in people who are out there in a risk situation. This would not be the first time if it happened that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse.

There was the history of the respiratory syncytial vaccine in children, which paradoxically made the children worse. One of the HIV vaccines that we tested several years ago actually made individuals more likely to get infected. So you can’t just go out there and give it unless you feel that in the field, when someone is getting infected and exposed, being vaccinated doesn’t make them worse. That is why you got to do a trial.”
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Post by flyingpylon » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:25 pm

More from Vinay Prasad today...

A video discussing a paper just published in Nature that shows that the rate of myocarditis in individuals under 40 that have received 2 doses of the Moderna vaccine exceed the rate of myocarditis from SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Video: Myocarditis in the UK: Moderna vs. the Virus! NEW Nature Medicine Paper

Paper: Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection

Also, a commentary on how pandemic policies in schools have hurt children: The pandemic policies that hurt children
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Post by jalanlong » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:37 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:54 am
My feeling is that if an obese diabetic was living their normal life, and got covid and died, then covid killed them.
It depends on your definition of normal life and that gets into what was their life like before Covid? Were they active, exercising etc? Or were they inactive, sitting in front of the tv all day and surviving on a cocktail of diabetic drugs? But really it is all semantics about what caused what because it is all intertwined.

The important point I believe people are trying to make is that the data shows that the death risk of Covid is higher by an order of magnitudes for the elderly and obese than it is for younger, heathier people. The media and politicians are deliberately ignoring this and trying to suggest that Covid death or hospitalization rates are the same across the board for every person. As a result, my 12 year old son's school and colleges around the country are repeatedly on "red alert" for something which statistically poses no real threat to them. And there are 20 year olds in my office who are in perfect health but are nonetheless convinced that if they catch Covid they will die, guaranteed. After 2 years I can blame them for not looking beyond the headlines. But you also have to fault the establishment for pushing the "cases are up/ deaths are up" narrative constantly with zero context.
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Post by Maddy » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:57 am

I Shrugged wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:54 am
My feeling is that if an obese diabetic was living their normal life, and got covid and died, then covid killed them.
Nobody is suggesting that deaths among the elderly and comorbid be ignored; only that the statistical analysis be appropriately tailored to take honest account of the fact that the deaths due to CoVid are not evenly dispersed throughout the general population but are overwhelmingly concentrated within a subset of elderly, obese, diabetic, immune compromised, and otherwise co-morbid individuals. Why is this statistical verity so objectionable to some?
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Post by Hal » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:07 pm

This may be of use. An interview with an ED doctor on Greg Mannarinos channel.
As always, feel free to comment ;)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/YGopj5PVR0LN/

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Post by jalanlong » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:10 pm

Maddy wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:57 am

Nobody is suggesting that deaths among the elderly and comorbid be ignored; only that the statistical analysis be appropriately tailored to take honest account of the fact that the deaths due to CoVid are not evenly dispersed throughout the general population but are overwhelmingly concentrated within a subset of elderly, obese, diabetic, immune compromised, and otherwise co-morbid individuals. Why is this statistical verity so objectionable to some?
My guess is that doing so has an implication that people bear some responsibility in the outcomes of their lives and that has never been a popular thing to suggest.
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Post by Xan » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:21 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:10 pm
Maddy wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:57 am

Nobody is suggesting that deaths among the elderly and comorbid be ignored; only that the statistical analysis be appropriately tailored to take honest account of the fact that the deaths due to CoVid are not evenly dispersed throughout the general population but are overwhelmingly concentrated within a subset of elderly, obese, diabetic, immune compromised, and otherwise co-morbid individuals. Why is this statistical verity so objectionable to some?
My guess is that doing so has an implication that people bear some responsibility in the outcomes of their lives and that has never been a popular thing to suggest.
I think it has more to do with two things:
a) Communicability: if you start saying "everybody except groups A, B, and C can pretty much ignore Covid" then you could have a massive spike in cases, leading to people in groups A, B, and C getting extra exposure all at the same time.
b) Unknown comorbidities: this certainly happens, and it shows up as a comorbidity.

I'm not saying whether those are worthwhile or not, but I think a) is the big reason why.
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Post by Cortopassi » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:39 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:21 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:10 pm
Maddy wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:57 am

Nobody is suggesting that deaths among the elderly and comorbid be ignored; only that the statistical analysis be appropriately tailored to take honest account of the fact that the deaths due to CoVid are not evenly dispersed throughout the general population but are overwhelmingly concentrated within a subset of elderly, obese, diabetic, immune compromised, and otherwise co-morbid individuals. Why is this statistical verity so objectionable to some?
My guess is that doing so has an implication that people bear some responsibility in the outcomes of their lives and that has never been a popular thing to suggest.
I think it has more to do with two things:
a) Communicability: if you start saying "everybody except groups A, B, and C can pretty much ignore Covid" then you could have a massive spike in cases, leading to people in groups A, B, and C getting extra exposure all at the same time.
b) Unknown comorbidities: this certainly happens, and it shows up as a comorbidity.

I'm not saying whether those are worthwhile or not, but I think a) is the big reason why.
Made me look into HIV/AIDS in the early 80s.

"I'm not gay, I'm not going to get it." And people chuckling at that. (https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9828348/r ... n-hiv-aids)

As a comparison, since 1981, ~36M AIDS deaths. Covid deaths total is 5.3M. I know it's not apples to apples, but amazingly 700k people a year still die of AIDS, 40 years later.
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Post by I Shrugged » Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:48 pm

You all are reading more into my comment than I intended. I just mean that if I’m counting deaths as caused by COVID, I’d apply the standard that I gave.
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