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Isn't that the proof that the vaccines are effective?

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Post by SomeDude » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am

pp4me wrote:
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Once again....the best way to end this pandemic is to stop testing. Stop it all.
That's what they finally did with H1N1. Doubt it will happen with COVID. Can you imagine how the MSM would scream if their fear porn was taken away?
Gotta stop wearing masks too. I was in some businesses over the weekend that didn't require masks.....Florida.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:22 am

The photos should help the most compliant


https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/04/18/q- ... atanic-co/
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:12 am

murphy_p_t wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:22 am
The photos should help the most compliant


https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/04/18/q- ... atanic-co/
Hah Hah. That lady is nuts.

"It also demonstrates beyond any doubt that masks are nothing more than a dehumanizing luciferian religious submission garment. People wear them because they have embraced and converted to the OneWorld Covid religion/political system, and almost all consider the mask to be a talisman that by the power of magic protects them from seasonal respiratory viruses."

Let me tell you what I see. I see TV news people interviewing others -- without masks, more and more. 60 minutes. CBS Sunday morning. Local news.

I see here at my work, less and less mask wearing.

I see out in public, less and less mask wearing.

I see less and less concern on the infection rate.

You guys are soon going to have to latch onto whatever next is on the list on how "the man" is trying to control your life because things are going back to normal, even in democratic Illinois.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by pp4me » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:10 pm

SomeDude wrote:
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Gotta stop wearing masks too. I was in some businesses over the weekend that didn't require masks.....Florida.
Still seeing masks most places I go but at Lowes they had a table with hand sanitizer and a sign that said "Clearance Sale, while supplies last".

Thought that was an encouraging sign.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:24 pm

"Hah Hah. That lady is nuts."

I presume you're referring to miss barnhardt.

Is she more, or less, crazy than the ones in the photos?
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:11 pm

murphy_p_t wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:24 pm
"Hah Hah. That lady is nuts."

I presume you're referring to miss barnhardt.

Is she more, or less, crazy than the ones in the photos?
If the photos are real (you never know nowadays), the band director/music instructor/administration who made them play like that should be made fun of at length to point out the stupidity of what they were made to wear.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:56 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:12 am

murphy_p_t wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:22 am

The photos should help the most compliant


https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/04/18/q- ... atanic-co/


Hah Hah. That lady is nuts.

"It also demonstrates beyond any doubt that masks are nothing more than a dehumanizing luciferian religious submission garment. People wear them because they have embraced and converted to the OneWorld Covid religion/political system, and almost all consider the mask to be a talisman that by the power of magic protects them from seasonal respiratory viruses."

Let me tell you what I see. I see TV news people interviewing others -- without masks, more and more. 60 minutes. CBS Sunday morning. Local news.

I see here at my work, less and less mask wearing.

I see out in public, less and less mask wearing.

I see less and less concern on the infection rate.

You guys are soon going to have to latch onto whatever next is on the list on how "the man" is trying to control your life because things are going back to normal, even in democratic Illinois.


I am the coach of our co-ed softball team this year.

Last Wednesday night was our first night of practice. We had seven men and seven women. Our league rules require us to where masks at all times except for during "mask breaks" when sufficiently distant from other players. I did not see anyone that night not wearing a mask.

Then, after the practice, I went to the grocery store for the first time in 2021. Store still mandated mask wearing to go into it and I did not see anyone not wearing a mask.
Above provided by: Vinny, who always says: "I only regret that I have but one lap to give to my cats."
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Post by jalanlong » Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:12 am
murphy_p_t wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:22 am
The photos should help the most compliant


https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/04/18/q- ... atanic-co/
Hah Hah. That lady is nuts.

"It also demonstrates beyond any doubt that masks are nothing more than a dehumanizing luciferian religious submission garment. People wear them because they have embraced and converted to the OneWorld Covid religion/political system, and almost all consider the mask to be a talisman that by the power of magic protects them from seasonal respiratory viruses."

Let me tell you what I see. I see TV news people interviewing others -- without masks, more and more. 60 minutes. CBS Sunday morning. Local news.

I see here at my work, less and less mask wearing.

I see out in public, less and less mask wearing.

I see less and less concern on the infection rate.

You guys are soon going to have to latch onto whatever next is on the list on how "the man" is trying to control your life because things are going back to normal, even in democratic Illinois.
I spent a decent amount of time this weekend running about here and there and these are my observations from the North Texas suburbs:

There are several local places which have either taken down their mask required sign completely or have changed it to "The City Recommends You Wear a Mask." In those places, I would say mask wearing was about 50/50. Interestingly my observations were that it broke down among gender lines. In the butcher shop, for example, there were about 10 customers evenly split between men and women. None of the men were wearing masks and all of the women were wearing one.

Places that are chains or owned by non-local companies pretty much still had the mask required signs up and everyone was adhering to their rule.

I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
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Re: Reasons why I will not be getting injected for the Wuhan

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:37 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm

I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
And they aren't going to hurt anyone by doing so.

Who cares?

I can see some future situations where I actually probably would wear a mask, just because we've gotten used to it, and it could provide a benefit.

--Visiting a doctor's office or hospital
--On an airplane or train
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Post by Xan » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:40 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:37 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm

I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
And they aren't going to hurt anyone by doing so.

Who cares?

I can see some future situations where I actually probably would wear a mask, just because we've gotten used to it, and it could provide a benefit.

--Visiting a doctor's office or hospital
--On an airplane or train
It indicates some kind of mental disorder that bodes poorly for our ability to actually think and make decisions for ourselves.
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Post by jalanlong » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:45 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:37 pm
jalanlong wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:20 pm

I still see a LOT of people out walking by themselves or driving alone in their car wearing masks.
And they aren't going to hurt anyone by doing so.

Who cares?

I can see some future situations where I actually probably would wear a mask, just because we've gotten used to it, and it could provide a benefit.

--Visiting a doctor's office or hospital
--On an airplane or train
To me it indicates that they don't actually know why they are wearing a mask in the first place. Masks were initially indicated to be used whenever you are in close proximity to people and are not able to distance from them. To wear one alone in your car, while walking alone outdoors or sitting on your porch alone indicates that you are just doing what you have been told with no understanding of why. Personally I feel that is a dangerous trait to have among the citizens of your country.

It is similar in nature to this experiment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kWygqR0L8
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Post by sophie » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:58 pm

pugchief wrote:
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3. I personally know several people who got the jab (not sure if it was both doses) and still caught Covid
Did they get sick with COVID or was it just a positive test?
Sick. Although not severely. My GF's boss, who was vaccinated, got a mildish case when her husband brought it home from somewhere. I don't know all the details, so consider this like a game of 'telephone'. You're hearing it third hand.
OK. Vaccines aren't 100% effective after all. I asked because Pfizer (and the other manufacturers) used the correct definition of "case" in its clinical trial, unlike the newspapers & CDC and state/local governments who define a "case" as a positive test. Pfizer only tested vaccine study participants if they reported symptoms typical of COVID. So that's much closer to usual medical practice and it would presumably result in a far lower "case" rate among vaccinated individuals than would be observed in the wild, where overly zealous testing creates cases out of thin air.

What you really want out of the vaccine is to prevent people from ending up in the hospital with COVID. It would be so nice to hear about how effective the vaccines are at that. Supposedly it's near 100% with a single shot. Good enough reason to get one, but I'd say don't bother with the second unless you think that will cause issues later on. Like me...my employer has just announced they are making the vaccine mandatory, which I expected. I hope someone challenges them on it. It's thoroughly illegal.
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Post by Cortopassi » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:04 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:45 pm

It is similar in nature to this experiment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kWygqR0L8
Wow. I can guarantee you my reaction after the second beep would be to ask someone, what are you doing, and if there was no good answer, no way am I standing up! They must have specifically looked for very low self confidence people, I think.
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Post by pugchief » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:23 pm

sophie wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:58 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:29 pm
sophie wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:21 am
pugchief wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:26 am
3. I personally know several people who got the jab (not sure if it was both doses) and still caught Covid
Did they get sick with COVID or was it just a positive test?
Sick. Although not severely. My GF's boss, who was vaccinated, got a mildish case when her husband brought it home from somewhere. I don't know all the details, so consider this like a game of 'telephone'. You're hearing it third hand.
OK. Vaccines aren't 100% effective after all. I asked because Pfizer (and the other manufacturers) used the correct definition of "case" in its clinical trial, unlike the newspapers & CDC and state/local governments who define a "case" as a positive test. Pfizer only tested vaccine study participants if they reported symptoms typical of COVID. So that's much closer to usual medical practice and it would presumably result in a far lower "case" rate among vaccinated individuals than would be observed in the wild, where overly zealous testing creates cases out of thin air.

What you really want out of the vaccine is to prevent people from ending up in the hospital with COVID. It would be so nice to hear about how effective the vaccines are at that. Supposedly it's near 100% with a single shot. Good enough reason to get one, but I'd say don't bother with the second unless you think that will cause issues later on. Like me...my employer has just announced they are making the vaccine mandatory, which I expected. I hope someone challenges them on it. It's thoroughly illegal.
Update: It turns out the boss was sicker than I thought. She got slammed pretty hard yesterday.
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Post by sophie » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:33 am

Ah. I wonder if it's one of those new variants - the existing vaccines are bound to have limited protection against those. They weren't designed for them.
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Post by whatchamacallit » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:08 pm

I hope this doesn't turn out like flu vaccine where you can't tell if it really does anything.

My favorite statistic for flu vaccine.
Immunized workers who do catch the flu return to work half a day sooner on average
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Post by sophie » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:22 pm

whatchamacallit wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:08 pm
I hope this doesn't turn out like flu vaccine where you can't tell if it really does anything.

My favorite statistic for flu vaccine.
Immunized workers who do catch the flu return to work half a day sooner on average
Well, the flu vaccine is about trying to predict next year's dominant flu strain, which can change a lot. That's much harder than the situation with COVID, where the pharmaceutical companies had the viral target right under their noses. COVID seems to be changing antigens as well, but apparently not as quickly or as much.

The data from the vaccines tested in countries in which new variants were active suggested efficacy (with cases defined using a more stringent criterion than, say, the press uses) closer to 60% than 90%. So I'd guess at the end of the day the vaccine will be around 50-60% effective, no matter which one you get and how many doses. That's a big reason why I think the lockdowns and mask mandates have no end in sight (at least in blue states).
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Post by jalanlong » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:32 pm

sophie wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:22 pm
whatchamacallit wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:08 pm
I hope this doesn't turn out like flu vaccine where you can't tell if it really does anything.

My favorite statistic for flu vaccine.
Immunized workers who do catch the flu return to work half a day sooner on average
Well, the flu vaccine is about trying to predict next year's dominant flu strain, which can change a lot. That's much harder than the situation with COVID, where the pharmaceutical companies had the viral target right under their noses. COVID seems to be changing antigens as well, but apparently not as quickly or as much.

The data from the vaccines tested in countries in which new variants were active suggested efficacy (with cases defined using a more stringent criterion than, say, the press uses) closer to 60% than 90%. So I'd guess at the end of the day the vaccine will be around 50-60% effective, no matter which one you get and how many doses. That's a big reason why I think the lockdowns and mask mandates have no end in sight (at least in blue states).
Is there still an appetite (even in Blue states) for lockdowns? Even though there are still a small amount of Nervous Nellies (or should it be Shutdown Sallies) here, I cannot imagine any Covid scenario that would bring back lockdowns in Texas. Now if the "cases" get really high next winter there will be talk about concerts, sporting event limitations etc but I don't forsee us every going back to mandatory shutdowns again. The appetite for it among politicians and the citizens is just not there any more.
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Post by pugchief » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:29 pm

I believe Gretchen Whitmer thinks otherwise.
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Post by jalanlong » Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:15 pm

pugchief wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:29 pm
I believe Gretchen Whitmer thinks otherwise.
She might be changing:

https://mises.org/wire/not-even-gretche ... dNmqDrFP1w

https://news.yahoo.com/gretchen-whitmer ... 20617.html
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Post by mathjak107 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:14 pm

All I can say is my wife has been taking D3 tablets for a long time ..we have been gym rats for 20 years and do cardio and weights 5 out of 7 days ..we eat well .we are religious about our workouts .

We can count on no more than two fingers the number of times we get sick a year .

We both got bad covid and were hospitalized.

I have never been in a hospital in my life until covid.

In my opinion it all is about the amount of viral load you get and the age curve ..

Perhaps some of us have seen similar virus proteins in the past , we might have memory cells that develop our immunity to a particular virus better than others so we either don’t get it or get a mild to asymptomatic case .

From a taking care of yourself perspective we found it to mean littlest far as not getting covid or even getting it pretty bad ....yeah we may have gotten it worse and of course ended up in icu if we didn’t do the things we do for the last 20 years ,but from an avoiding serious covid I have to say meh, we BOTH still got hospitalized for weeks despite vitamin d , and working out for decades
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Post by glennds » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:42 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
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I can see some future situations where I actually probably would wear a mask, just because we've gotten used to it, and it could provide a benefit.

--Visiting a doctor's office or hospital
--On an airplane or train
What you're saying is very much the norm in many Asian countries. Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam. I saw less of it in Thailand. This is years, even decades before Covid.

I once read an newspaper article in Tokyo about the top five reasons people where masks. In order they were:
1. Protect other people from your germs out of courtesy, especially if you know you are sick
2. Reduce seasonal allergies and pollution
3. Protect yourself from other people's germs
4. (For women) Be able to get out of the house without make-up for commuting and put it on at work
5. Beliefs rooted in Taoism related to Qi and Feng, keeping in positive energy and keeping out negative energy

Consolation prize for #6 - Carryover from prior pandemics like 1918 and later outbreaks like SARS where people adopted the habit of masks permanently or semi-permanently.

A friend of mine traveled to Europe with her two kids this past summer to visit family. They were on several flights along the way, and their practice was to double mask the whole time (this is pre-vaccine). She thought it was an inconvenience for sure but told me this was the first family trip where nobody got sick with the sniffles, cold, cough or anything. So she's now a believer in wearing a mask on long flights.
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Post by sophie » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:22 am

jalanlong wrote:
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The appetite for it among politicians and the citizens is just not there any more.
Unfortunately that's not the case....

COVID cases in NY (real cases, not "positive tests") are now minimal, and have been for quite some time. And, most older adults who want to be vaccinated have been. But, many of my neighbors are still terrified of human contact, and are voluntary still in lockdown. I went and knocked on a neighbor's door the other day to borrow something. I used to spend a lot of time with them, but this is the first time we've managed to talk face to face for a year. I could tell she was uncomfortable so I kept that magical 6 foot distance. Even though we've both been vaccinated. What will make her willing to, say, have dinner or a beer together like we used to, I have no idea. And believe me, she is not atypical.
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Post by barrett » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:07 am

sophie wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:22 am
jalanlong wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:32 pm
The appetite for it among politicians and the citizens is just not there any more.
Unfortunately that's not the case....

COVID cases in NY (real cases, not "positive tests") are now minimal, and have been for quite some time. And, most older adults who want to be vaccinated have been. But, many of my neighbors are still terrified of human contact, and are voluntary still in lockdown. I went and knocked on a neighbor's door the other day to borrow something. I used to spend a lot of time with them, but this is the first time we've managed to talk face to face for a year. I could tell she was uncomfortable so I kept that magical 6 foot distance. Even though we've both been vaccinated. What will make her willing to, say, have dinner or a beer together like we used to, I have no idea. And believe me, she is not atypical.
It seems to me from my limited time in NYC recently that New Yorkers (the city dwellers) might not be representative of much of the rest of the country. In NYC I see a very high percentage of people masked up when riding bikes or jogging. Our daughter told us last night that when she goes running maskless in Brooklyn, people give her a wide berth. People's brains just seem to have a hard time rewiring themselves but it does seem worse in the city.

Here in CT (we are in the central part of the state) where we have had a fairly similar rate of Covid-related deaths, life seems to be getting back to normal more quickly. Edicts from the governor have morphed into "recommendations". Restaurants are at full capacity although many still haven't dropped the charade of essentially asking that customers mask up during the 30 feet of walking from the entrance to their tables.

It's all uneven to be sure. I passed a group of seven or eight young hikers on the Appalachian Trail the other day. They donned their masks in unison, turned their backs to me and seemed to hold their collective breath until I had "safely" passed. Very strange out in the middle of the woods surrounded by fresh air.

Anyway, I'm not at all saying that life is back to normal here. I just think that NYC might be something of an outlier in being so slow to adapt to changing realities. I do wonder how much of that behavior is just human instinct due to NYC having such high population density.
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