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Re: Linux, continued

Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:09 pm

This is all fascinating, and I mean that sincerely, but it’s incredibly hard to be free of spying, isn’t it. Even if we gave up our Macs and Windows machines for a linux laptop, wouldn’t we still be tracked on our phones? (Any good phone options?)

I don’t mean to be a Debbie Downer. Maybe it’s about mitigating the spying where we can? Do our searching and shopping on a Linux machine and keep it simple on the phone?
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Re: Linux, continued

Post by Smith1776 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:35 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:09 pm
This is all fascinating, and I mean that sincerely, but it’s incredibly hard to be free of spying, isn’t it. Even if we gave up our Macs and Windows machines for a linux laptop, wouldn’t we still be tracked on our phones? (Any good phone options?)

I don’t mean to be a Debbie Downer. Maybe it’s about mitigating the spying where we can? Do our searching and shopping on a Linux machine and keep it simple on the phone?
Very well stated, dualstow. It's like having a ship with a 1000 leaks in it, and then feeling good about yourself that you plugged one of them. This, of course, doesn't mean we should just do nothing, but a more comprehensive set of solutions to our woes is definitely needed.

There are no easy answers. I am a huge privacy advocate. I read that Cypherpunk Manifesto like... weekly, but your guess is as good as mine about how we tackle this conundrum. I do know, however, that encryption will play a central role. It's something we must steadfastly work to protect.
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Re: Linux, continued

Post by l82start » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:52 pm

purism is working on a linux phone, "Librem 5" its a interesting project, open source, same OS as their computers..
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Re: Linux, continued

Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:27 pm

l82start wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:52 pm
purism is working on a linux phone, "Librem 5" its a interesting project, open source, same OS as their computers..
I remember reading about that once upon a time -- probably here -- and being impressed.
I guess there's not too much available right now.
(I've got a pixel 3a myself, a google phone. And google fi is my carrier).
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Re: Linux, continued

Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:50 pm

Hmm, there's the PinePhone, which I found from the Librem 5's wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone
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Post by l82start » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:16 pm

libram 5 has done a few early release versions so far, they are mostly a phone geek beta test toy, but it shows promise and commercial versions are on the way?, no idea when, release dates are a bit loose

i am curious to see it though..
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Post by vnatale » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:21 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:27 pm
l82start wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:52 pm
purism is working on a linux phone, "Librem 5" its a interesting project, open source, same OS as their computers..
I remember reading about that once upon a time -- probably here -- and being impressed.
I guess there's not too much available right now.
(I've got a pixel 3a myself, a google phone. And google fi is my carrier).
I cannot remember if until now I knew that you were also on Google Fi. You probably remember better than me if we have already had this discussion.

I went with them in June 2018 and bought from them the least expensive phone that would work with the service -- a Moto. Looks like you chose a more expensive option. Mine cost $200.

What was your reason for choosing their service? My primary was because the phone could make calls off WiFi, meaning I'd always have service in my office or my home. I'd prior tried another service (Ting) and I'd only had service at the end of my driveway, which was not going to be practical. Living in a rural area, having a phone work off WiFi is wonderful.

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Re: Linux, continued

Post by Pointedstick » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:17 pm

FWIW My team has been working on the Plasma Mobile version of the PinePhone. :)
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Re: Linux, continued

Post by l82start » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:19 am

Pointedstick wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:17 pm
FWIW My team has been working on the Plasma Mobile version of the PinePhone. :)
very cool!!
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Re: Linux, continued

Post by dualstow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:19 am

Pointedstick wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:17 pm
FWIW My team has been working on the Plasma Mobile version of the PinePhone. :)
neat!
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