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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by Tortoise » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:39 pm
Given that I'm not worried about catching Covid, and I don't have any business or PR reasons to get vaccinated, is there any incentive at all for someone like me to get jabbed?
I guess there's sort of an incentive to get vaccinated if you want to travel to certain places like Chicago that exempt vaccinated travelers from quarantine and testing requirements:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/c ... t/2445119/
Chicago updated its emergency travel order on Tuesday, now including 31 U.S. states in the orange tier that requires either a 10-day quarantine or negative COVID-19 test before arrival in the city, and updated its guidance to exempt those who are fully vaccinated from the quarantine or test requirement.
However, my solution is to simply avoid traveling to such places. If they're going to hassle me to such an extent, then they won't get any of my tourism spending.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by Mark Leavy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 pm

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One factor in favor of delaying or deferring: there will likely be an announcement soon that only one shot is fine if you're low risk. The data suggest that one shot has the same efficacy as two, if you know something about significant differences. i.e. 85% and 95% are indistinguishable when the numbers are small. That's good, because the second shot is the one with the more serious adverse effects. And, it would instantly double the vaccine supply.
Thank you Sophie! That is super valuable. I’m planning on traveling outside the USA towards late Spring and still trying to figure out my best options.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by Mark Leavy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:14 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 pm

However, my solution is to simply avoid traveling to such places. If they're going to hassle me to such an extent, then they won't get any of my tourism spending.
I’m with you there. There’s a ton of the country that I still want to see, but I’m happy cooling my heels on Florida beaches until the other governors grow a spine.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by mathjak107 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:54 am

sophie wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:00 pm
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Serious question.

Given that I'm not worried about catching Covid, and I don't have any business or PR reasons to get vaccinated, is there any incentive at all for someone like me to get jabbed?

Can I go to Hawaii without quarantining? No
Can I go shopping without a mask? No
Can I fly on a plane without a mask? No
Can I fly to Europe without quarantining? No
Can I eat at a restaurant in NYC? No

So far, I'm not seeing even the slightest incentive. It's like some policies aren't very well thought out...
Definitely no incentives to get the vaccine. Add to that list: Can I safely hug grandma? No. The vaccine won't stop you from being infected or infectious, just from getting severe symptoms.

If you're comfortable with your level of risk, you are entitled to make your own decision.

One factor in favor of delaying or deferring: there will likely be an announcement soon that only one shot is fine if you're low risk. The data suggest that one shot has the same efficacy as two, if you know something about significant differences. i.e. 85% and 95% are indistinguishable when the numbers are small. That's good, because the second shot is the one with the more serious adverse effects. And, it would instantly double the vaccine supply.
Zdogg had mentioned data on his show that research is now showing that the efficacy gets stronger over time and one shot has been clocking in at 92 and two shots at just 95% ...
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

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I do not know whether that has been discussed here (had a glance over, but was not able to find) or elsewhere ... I am pretty much ignorant on how vaccination in US is implemented and whether you've given the choice which vaccine to get.
Anyway, I started research a bit, basically the options to choose from, are three : Moderna vs Pfizer vs Astra-Zeneca. Sputink V - unsure whether we will get it at all (some of the EU-member countries imported it, even though not yet officially approved by the European 'FDA'). Any thoughts and/or good web articles you can point me to ? Thanks (as usual)
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:34 am

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Scheduled for 2nd injection Saturday. Hope the side effects are reasonable. Will let you know how it goes. 👍🏼
My wife and I had our second Pfizer vaccination this morning about 2 1/2 hours ago; neither of us had any immediate effects. We are hoping for the best.

Our daughter got her second Moderna injection this past Thursday around 9am - almost immediately had high blood pressure of 175/115, tunnel vision, very loud ringing in ears, felt clammy and "fuzzy". Was better after sitting for an hour and drinking a lot of water while being monitored. Was able to finish her workday. She got pretty sick about 15 hours after the injection (chills, fever, headache and horrible body ache all over) and felt bad all day yesterday (Friday); had low grade fever that was somewhat controlled by Tylenol and ibuprofen. She slept about 11 hours last night and feels better but not 100% this morning (Saturday).

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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by I Shrugged » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:00 pm

I hang around with a lot of seniors. Most are reporting not much reaction. One person had a low grade fever for several days. She got vaccinated right after having Covid. All of these have gotten Moderna.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by sophie » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:42 am

How old is your daughter Mountaineer?

I've heard also that older people (age > 65) have less of a problem with adverse reactions than younger ones. The doctor in Florida who died of ITP (an autoimmune condition) was 55.

I can't afford even a single day of being that sick, not with all the responsibilities I'm carrying. I was really hoping to be able to duck out of the second shot as it's not likely to add much in the way of efficacy, and is therefore almost all risk with near zero (if not actually zero) benefit. If I absolutely have to take it, I'll premedicate with prednisone & NSAIDs. No guarantees, but it would theoretically blunt the immune response that causes those symptoms.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by Mountaineer » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:38 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:34 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:03 pm
Scheduled for 2nd injection Saturday. Hope the side effects are reasonable. Will let you know how it goes. 👍🏼
My wife and I had our second Pfizer vaccination this morning about 2 1/2 hours ago; neither of us had any immediate effects. We are hoping for the best.

Our daughter got her second Moderna injection this past Thursday around 9am - almost immediately had high blood pressure of 175/115, tunnel vision, very loud ringing in ears, felt clammy and "fuzzy". Was better after sitting for an hour and drinking a lot of water while being monitored. Was able to finish her workday. She got pretty sick about 15 hours after the injection (chills, fever, headache and horrible body ache all over) and felt bad all day yesterday (Friday); had low grade fever that was somewhat controlled by Tylenol and ibuprofen. She slept about 11 hours last night and feels better but not 100% this morning (Saturday).

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Almost 27 hours since we received the second Pfizer vaccination. Minimal after effects. Slightly sore arm at injection site that is now almost unnoticeable. Maybe a little more tired this morning than usual. We drove to church as usual. All in all, no big deal, just a ho-hum. Thanks be to God! 🙏🏼
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by williswine » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:51 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:38 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:34 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:03 pm
Scheduled for 2nd injection Saturday. Hope the side effects are reasonable. Will let you know how it goes. 👍🏼
My wife and I had our second Pfizer vaccination this morning about 2 1/2 hours ago; neither of us had any immediate effects. We are hoping for the best.

Our daughter got her second Moderna injection this past Thursday around 9am - almost immediately had high blood pressure of 175/115, tunnel vision, very loud ringing in ears, felt clammy and "fuzzy". Was better after sitting for an hour and drinking a lot of water while being monitored. Was able to finish her workday. She got pretty sick about 15 hours after the injection (chills, fever, headache and horrible body ache all over) and felt bad all day yesterday (Friday); had low grade fever that was somewhat controlled by Tylenol and ibuprofen. She slept about 11 hours last night and feels better but not 100% this morning (Saturday).

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Almost 27 hours since we received the second Pfizer vaccination. Minimal after effects. Slightly sore arm at injection site that is now almost unnoticeable. Maybe a little more tired this morning than usual. We drove to church as usual. All in all, no big deal, just a ho-hum. Thanks be to God! 🙏🏼
I received my 2nd Pfizer-BioNTech dose a bit over 2 weeks ago. Experienced some very mild injection area soreness for a day or two. Perhaps a bit of a headache but that could be totally unrelated. No other reaction. I did want to feel more than that to get more of a physical feel that the doses were doing something but nothing like a flu shot for example. Now I just wonder when we'll know how long the vaccines work.

I know two people (in their late 60s, early 70s) who received the Moderna vaccine and like me had nothing special to complain about.

I would expect a more traditional vaccine like that from J&J to potentially have the same side effects as a flu shot by virtue of using an adenovirus vector. I am not an expert in the field but since I understand that the DNA in the J&J vaccine is translated by cells into mRNA instructing them, like the mRNA in the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, to build the SARS-CoV-2's spike protein, at the end of the day, the side effects of the J&J vaccine might also be mild.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by williswine » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:48 pm

Vil wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 am
I do not know whether that has been discussed here (had a glance over, but was not able to find) or elsewhere ... I am pretty much ignorant on how vaccination in US is implemented and whether you've given the choice which vaccine to get.
Anyway, I started research a bit, basically the options to choose from, are three : Moderna vs Pfizer vs Astra-Zeneca. Sputink V - unsure whether we will get it at all (some of the EU-member countries imported it, even though not yet officially approved by the European 'FDA'). Any thoughts and/or good web articles you can point me to ? Thanks (as usual)
An overview (updated daily) of what's available out there: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... acker.html

I note recalling reading (not sure where though) that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is fully approved rather than under emergency use authorization in Australia.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by Vil » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:36 am

williswine wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:48 pm
Vil wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 am
I do not know whether that has been discussed here (had a glance over, but was not able to find) or elsewhere ... I am pretty much ignorant on how vaccination in US is implemented and whether you've given the choice which vaccine to get.
Anyway, I started research a bit, basically the options to choose from, are three : Moderna vs Pfizer vs Astra-Zeneca. Sputink V - unsure whether we will get it at all (some of the EU-member countries imported it, even though not yet officially approved by the European 'FDA'). Any thoughts and/or good web articles you can point me to ? Thanks (as usual)
An overview (updated daily) of what's available out there: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... acker.html

I note recalling reading (not sure where though) that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is fully approved rather than under emergency use authorization in Australia.
Thanks, that's a neat overview, indeed.
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by mathjak107 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:46 am

sophie wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:42 am
How old is your daughter Mountaineer?

I've heard also that older people (age > 65) have less of a problem with adverse reactions than younger ones. The doctor in Florida who died of ITP (an autoimmune condition) was 55.

I can't afford even a single day of being that sick, not with all the responsibilities I'm carrying. I was really hoping to be able to duck out of the second shot as it's not likely to add much in the way of efficacy, and is therefore almost all risk with near zero (if not actually zero) benefit. If I absolutely have to take it, I'll premedicate with prednisone & NSAIDs. No guarantees, but it would theoretically blunt the immune response that causes those symptoms.
That doctor they believe had a low platelet issue and was headed toward organ failure before the covid shot ..it may be just a coincidence he died after it
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Re: Will you get vaccinated for COVID?

Post by Mountaineer » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 am

sophie wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:42 am
How old is your daughter Mountaineer?

I've heard also that older people (age > 65) have less of a problem with adverse reactions than younger ones. The doctor in Florida who died of ITP (an autoimmune condition) was 55.

I can't afford even a single day of being that sick, not with all the responsibilities I'm carrying. I was really hoping to be able to duck out of the second shot as it's not likely to add much in the way of efficacy, and is therefore almost all risk with near zero (if not actually zero) benefit. If I absolutely have to take it, I'll premedicate with prednisone & NSAIDs. No guarantees, but it would theoretically blunt the immune response that causes those symptoms.
Hi Sophie,

My daughter is 51. She is a pediatric nurse. She said that almost everyone in her office, perhaps 8 or 10, got rather sick after the second Moderna injection. Almost all of them had been working around COVID patients and my daughter "thought" she probably had it this past summer but was not tested. She also got rather sick after her first injection. I wonder if there could be a correlation of those having had COVID and getting sick after being vaccinated.
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