A great representative for the "party of inclusion and tolerance"

[Mountaineer]

I know this has been kicked around on the forum in different ways, but anyway .... What do you think fuels the hatred of traditional Constitutionalists, i.e. our traditional way of life in the United States, to the degree described in the opening post? That degree of hatred towards ones fellow man just seems to be birthed by pure evil.

[Libertarian666]

I know this has been kicked around on the forum in different ways, but anyway .... What do you think fuels the hatred of traditional Constitutionalists, i.e. our traditional way of life in the United States, to the degree described in the opening post? That degree of hatred towards ones fellow man just seems to be birthed by pure evil.

My opinion is that they want their socialist utopia to be enacted by any means, fair or foul.
So anyone who stands in their way is obviously HITLER!!!

[vnatale]

I know this has been kicked around on the forum in different ways, but anyway .... What do you think fuels the hatred of traditional Constitutionalists, i.e. our traditional way of life in the United States, to the degree described in the opening post? That degree of hatred towards ones fellow man just seems to be birthed by pure evil.

What is "the traditional way of life in the United States"?

Afro-Americans being slaves until 1865 and then still being subject to varying kinds of discrimination from then and carrying on to today?

Women being second class citizens, e.g., not being able to vote, not being given equal opportunities in our country?

Prior to child labor laws being passed, children working like they did in the past? Child abuse being far more prevalent in the past because it just was not challenged or questioned?

Gay people being treated the way they had been.

The genocide we perpetrated on Native Americans. Never creating any treaty with them that could not be broken.

Our gun / violence culture not replicated in many of the other great countries of the world.

I could go on.

The point being that all I described above has or had been deep in the fabric of "the traditional way of life in the United States"

The sum of all those being deep in "the traditional way of life in the United States" along with current country maladies might be enough to cause a select few to go off the deep end.

Finally....directed to all the Trump supporters. When Trump was constantly stating "Make America Great Again" and all his supporters cheered him on....I've asked the question many times but don't think I ever get an answer.....what WERE the time periods when America was great and what WERE the time periods when it was NOT great? What were the reasons for the great time periods that it was great and the reasons for vice versa?

Vinny

[Mountaineer]

Finally....directed to all the Trump supporters. When Trump was constantly stating "Make America Great Again" and all his supporters cheered him on....I've asked the question many times but don't think I ever get an answer.....what WERE the time periods when America was great and what WERE the time periods when it was NOT great? What were the reasons for the great time periods that it was great and the reasons for vice versa?

Vinny

In my humble opinion, all of them. All were great and all were less than great. On balance, we have had a pretty good run in the US by following the founding documents. The Amendment process exists to correct fundamental and new errors. I think that process is brilliant. Keeps us from blowing with the winds of the day, but enables us to make changes that most of the citizens will embrace. However, it may be easier for me to understand my "both" answer as I'm a confessional Lutheran who believes man is simultaneously saint and sinner (as do several other traditions), or simultaneously justified and sinner, the Latin phrase is: simul justus et peccator. https://www.ligonier.org/blog/simul-justus-et-peccator/
Lutherans are big on being able to deal with and hold to what can appear to be a paradox; big on the BOTH, as well as appreciating the AND. Much moreso than other church bodies I've been associated with. That may not be a satisfying answer to your questions, but it is an answer.

[pp4me]

I know this has been kicked around on the forum in different ways, but anyway .... What do you think fuels the hatred of traditional Constitutionalists, i.e. our traditional way of life in the United States, to the degree described in the opening post? That degree of hatred towards ones fellow man just seems to be birthed by pure evil.

What is "the traditional way of life in the United States"?

Afro-Americans being slaves until 1865 and then still being subject to varying kinds of discrimination from then and carrying on to today?

Women being second class citizens, e.g., not being able to vote, not being given equal opportunities in our country?

Prior to child labor laws being passed, children working like they did in the past? Child abuse being far more prevalent in the past because it just was not challenged or questioned?

Gay people being treated the way they had been.

The genocide we perpetrated on Native Americans. Never creating any treaty with them that could not be broken.

Our gun / violence culture not replicated in many of the other great countries of the world.

I could go on.

The point being that all I described above has or had been deep in the fabric of "the traditional way of life in the United States"

The sum of all those being deep in "the traditional way of life in the United States" along with current country maladies might be enough to cause a select few to go off the deep end.

Finally....directed to all the Trump supporters. When Trump was constantly stating "Make America Great Again" and all his supporters cheered him on....I've asked the question many times but don't think I ever get an answer.....what WERE the time periods when America was great and what WERE the time periods when it was NOT great? What were the reasons for the great time periods that it was great and the reasons for vice versa?

Vinny

Mountaineer can speak for himself but I suspect his answer is "original sin".

Yours is actually the same from a secular point of view. My definition of a great country would be one that worked to correct the evils you described above. Although we haven't yet created the kingdom of God on earth (and probably never will) we have solved many on your list.

As for Trump's slogan I always took it to be referring specifically to the 8 years of the Obama administration in regards to things like our relationships with countries like China and Iran, what he perceived as weakened economy and military, etc. So the choice was to continue down the same road with Clinton or elect him and change things. You can argue about all those things but apparently it was an effective political slogan.

[Tortoise]

By the way, “(Let’s) Make America Great Again” was first used by Reagan in his 1980 campaign. Trump wasn’t the first to use it.

[stuper1]

What is "the traditional way of life in the United States"?
Vinny

I think what is at the core of the traditional way of life in the U.S. is that if you work hard, you can succeed, no matter where you come from, the color of your skin, or any other irrelevant thing.

This is why people from all over the globe, many of them people of color, have always tried, and still try, to come here. In other words, they vote with their feet for which country will offer them the most opportunity. They don't seem to think that America is any more racist than any other country and won't give them a fair chance to succeed. I would argue that America is less racist than most countries, and I think the choice of many immigrants of color to try to come here is evidence of that. Unfortunately, if the liberals get their way, the U.S. will become more and more a socialist country, where hard word is not rewarded the way it used to be. In other words, the harder you work, the more you will pay to Uncle Sam. Low achieving people are fine with this, because they need somebody to pay their bills for them. Eventually, however, the hard working people will get smart and move somewhere else that has a smaller government, or secede to achieve that.

[I Shrugged]

I know this has been kicked around on the forum in different ways, but anyway .... What do you think fuels the hatred of traditional Constitutionalists, i.e. our traditional way of life in the United States, to the degree described in the opening post? That degree of hatred towards ones fellow man just seems to be birthed by pure evil.

My opinion is that they want their socialist utopia to be enacted by any means, fair or foul.
So anyone who stands in their way is obviously HITLER!!!

Yes, pretty much what I think too. The left doesn't really believe in constitutions and institutions. Or democracy for that matter. They want society to be a certain way and whatever it takes is what it takes. But they don't see it.