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Kbg wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:56 pm Go mask freedom fighters!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for keeping us all safe from tyranny and oppression. Your courage and inspiration are awe inspiring. May your civil mindedness and concern for others inspire all future American generations.

Truly, we can never repay the debt we owe you. You will be remembered right up there with Revolutionary War, Civil War and the Greatest Generation veterans.

Now get back out there tigers...go pull some masks off people's faces. Your wives an children expect this of you. It's a tough job, but who can else can we rely upon?

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:44 am And yet, no science to support your satire.

Because it doesn't exist

Kbg wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:44 am

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:44 am And yet, no science to support your satire.

Because it doesn't exist

How about 46 scientific studies that say elsewise from US sources

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -cov2.html


Maybe 14 more from European sources

https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/ear ... 01260-2020


Maybe a Hong Kong hospital study

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/hong ... tervention

How about a study that studies mask acceptance in societies and the science backing wearing masks

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7314683/

And yet, way more science backs my satire than your misinformed opinion.

Analytical Methods 101: Source credibility. If your source is some random internet blogger with an agenda vs. known entities whose business and charter is to study these types of things and make public health recommendations and policy...knock yourself out.

The science is crystal clear, let me summarize for you maybe it will help simplify.

- Do masks prevent the spread of airborne disease - no

- Do masks mitigate droplet transmission (and follow me here if you can) and therefore mitigate transmission effectivity - yes

- Does mask quality make a difference in the above - yes

Riddle me this Batman...if masking up does nothing why does every single picture you see of a COVID ward in a hospital have doctors and nurses who are heavily masked up, face shielded up and wearing protective clothing?

Yep, one big conspiracy with no science behind it...ever notice how all the hospital clothing is greenish blue...gnomes I tell you, gnomes. These gnomes are a branch off of the blue gnomes who stole the election.

Simonjester wrote: the new normal?
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... ormal.html

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:46 am

Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:15 am A guy on Triggernometry made the observation that people treat the mask mandate in the UK like Iranian (he grew up in Iran) women treat the headscarf mandate. They wear them around their necks until they see the police, then they put them on

Great find. This has been going on since the Spanish Inquisition. Even in the late 1400s people would just pretend to follow oppressive laws until the men with guns were within sight.

tomfoolery wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:18 pm Suppose mask-wearing does prevent a marginal amount of COVID spreading which prevents a marginal amount of COVID deaths.

From a risk mitigation standpoint, the cost has to be lower than the negative outcome we're avoiding. What are the costs of mask wearing?

It's a hassle that takes time and effort. It's perhaps marginal on the individual level but adds up considerably. 300 Million Americans. Conservatively, 10 seconds to put on or take off a mask 10 times a day. 100 seconds per American per day. That's 0.03 Hours per person. That's about 8 million hours per day spent screwing around with masks.

8 million hours per day. That seems enormous. From a percentage of the total day, it's small, but 8 million hours per day. Jeez!

And I am being conservative on 10 seconds per application and 10 times per day.

Now about the cost of the masks themselves. I won't bother estimating that, I'm still blown away by 8 million hours per day spent on this.

On average people work 8 hours a day. That keeps the math really simple. So 8 million hours is the equivalent of 1 million people not doing productive work each day.

Apple Computer has 150k employees. So rounding down even, that's like 6 Apple companies.

The opportunity cost of mask wearing in the US is the destruction of 6 Apple companies.

Okay cool, there's no way to put a price on life. Well, why don't we all agree to stop driving cars? About 40k Americans die each year from car accidents. If we all stopped driving cars, we'd save the lives of 40k people. And arguably, this would have a bigger impact than mask wearing because the people who die in car accidents are disproportionately young and unlikely to die in any given year. Whereas the deaths from COVID are disproproportionately old and very likely to die from someone else if not from COVID, since the average age of COVID death is older than the average age people die.

But no one is talking about ending cars, because it would hurt our productivity too much.

Mask wearing sucks up the equivalent productivity of 1 million people per day. How's that for productivity losses?

I was equally upset when TSA became a bigger thing after 9/11. Sure, maybe we've prevented some terrorist-related deaths, but at the cost of billions of hours of lost productivity per year, standing in lines at the airport.

tomfoolery wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:29 pm

vnatale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:26 pm
The probabilities of any child getting killed by a mass shooter are extremely low yet what are the total $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that have been spent on mitigation?

Do you support the security hardening of all these schools?

Vinny

I support arming teachers and parents. The reason mass shootings happen at schools is because it's a gun free school zone. And there is no resistance. Have you ever heard of a mass shooter at a gun store? Or a mass shooter at a gun show?

Mass shooters tend to exclusively happen in gun-banned zones. Such as military bases. Which, for whatever reason, our soldiers are not allowed to be armed when on a military base in the US. Except a handful of MPs. And mass shootings occur there because of it.

As far as security hardening, I think that can work too, in conjunction with arming good guys. But that should be relatively cheap to install security doors.

Instead, we only allow "highly trained" police officers to carry guns in school, and they are usually 5 to 10 minutes away, at best, or hiding in the bathroom when the shooting is happening.

tomfoolery wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:54 pm

vnatale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:41 pm
What are the costs of arming all the teachers and parents, including both the guns and the training? How often will they be trained? Is it true many police only undergo one training a year and are incredibly bad shots? No side effects, i.e., students getting the teachers and parents guns and causing a new set of problems that don't already exist?

Vinny

I don't know. But seems better than the alternatives.

vnatale wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:41 pm
Is it true many police only undergo one training a year and are incredibly bad shots? No side effects, i.e., students getting the teachers and parents guns and causing a new set of problems that don't already exist?

Police generally only have to "qualify" twice per year, not "train", just do a 50 round or less qual. And the quals are so easy, that some of my police friends do them with their eyes closed. Not kidding. You do have to be a good shooter to do it with your eyes closed, relying on kinesthetic indexing of the firearm, but it points out how easy it is, with your eyes open.

Also, we arm security at banks to protect money that's insured against loss anyway. Why not arm security at schools to protect children?

In my libertarian fantasyland, there wouldn't be public schools, but imagine a private high school. There would be a handful of security guards, which currently exist in all schools now, except they are unarmed.

And I would arm those private security guards that are already at the school.

I would also offer volunteer spots for any teachers interested in firearms to get training and be allowed to carry within the school as well. In my fantasyland world, most adults are competent with firearms anyway so the marginal cost to "train" teachers would be minimal.

tomfoolery wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:18 pm The opportunity cost of mask wearing in the US is the destruction of 6 Apple companies.

MangoMan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:03 pm

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:24 am

MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:46 am ... This has been going on since the Spanish Inquisition. Even in the late 1400s people would just pretend to follow oppressive laws until the men with guns were within sight.

For a new thread....
What are these oppressive laws would you refer to?

I don't live in a country where we had to fight for many centuries to reclaim our territory, so I'm not quick to judge negatively actions authorized by the Spanish crown.

Expecting Jews to convert to Catholicism or be killed. That's pretty oppressive in my book. So many outwardly pretended to convert, while still practicing Judaism in secrecy. Kind of like wearing your mask when the mask police are around to see it.

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:06 pm PugChief-

Oh, you're talking about the rootless people in the Iberian peninsula who collaborated with the Muslim invasion. Their people had demonstrated that They were a direct threat to the Spanish crown. After the reconquista succeeded (after many centuries), the wondering people were given the choice to leave Iberia or enter the Church.

murphy_p_t wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:02 am https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-14- ... ssary.html

Asymptomatic spread is pseudoscience. It is (now) perfectly safe to leave your mask at home.

dualstow wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:45 am I’m stealthily growing a beard under my mask. Only the wife knows. She hates it. I think the cat likes it.