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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Mark Leavy » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:07 pm

I enjoyed reading this reminiscense by The Volokh Conspiracy at Reason Magazine.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by glennds » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:13 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:05 pm
I am sure a lot of you know specific reasons why you'd like a liberal vs conservative court and vice versa. Seems reasonably immaterial to me.

The one that is always brought up is Roe v Wade.

I really don't know much about that. If I understand correctly that legalized abortion, would overturning that then make it a crime to have an abortion, or leave to states? Where do other western countries stand on this?
In answer to your question, here is a link to a table that summarizes abortion legality in 193 countries (as of 2017). https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/defaul ... able_1.pdf
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by doodle » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:50 pm

technovelist wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:25 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:09 pm
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Yes, we know she's a RINO.

Let's see what she does when the vote comes up.
Well, this certainly will be a monumental moment. Techno's cure is like huffing Lysol to kill covid...it might kill the 'virus', but it will also terminate the patient. I'm becoming pretty convinced that we are headed towards massive civil breakdown in this country. Ram your justice through. Let's remove any modicum of civility from congress....what goes around comes around. This will get so nasty that we will soon resemble Yugoslavia in the 90s. Republicans set a precedent with Merrick Garland that they are now chosing not to follow. Fine. You are right, this will end the republic. This is a green light for the Democrats to do whatever they want when the majority swings back their way, and it will sooner or later.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by flyingpylon » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:12 pm

doodle wrote:
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Republicans set a precedent with Merrick Garland that they are now chosing not to follow.
False.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by technovelist » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:25 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:12 pm
doodle wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:50 pm
Republicans set a precedent with Merrick Garland that they are now chosing not to follow.
False.
Scott Adams explains the "McConnell Rule" to his imaginary liberal friend "Dale": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgyny2ktF7Q
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by technovelist » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:27 pm

doodle wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:50 pm
technovelist wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:25 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:09 pm
Capture.JPG
Yes, we know she's a RINO.

Let's see what she does when the vote comes up.
Well, this certainly will be a monumental moment. Techno's cure is like huffing Lysol to kill covid...it might kill the 'virus', but it will also terminate the patient. I'm becoming pretty convinced that we are headed towards massive civil breakdown in this country. Ram your justice through. Let's remove any modicum of civility from congress....what goes around comes around. This will get so nasty that we will soon resemble Yugoslavia in the 90s. Republicans set a precedent with Merrick Garland that they are now chosing not to follow. Fine. You are right, this will end the republic. This is a green light for the Democrats to do whatever they want when the majority swings back their way, and it will sooner or later.
The Democrats have already announced that they plan to pack the Court if they get in.

In other words, they have declared war on the Republic. I certainly hope that the Republicans fight back with every legal tool at their disposal.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by doodle » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:41 pm

If the Democrats did the same to Republican president and then turned on word if be supporting the republican side. If one fighter hits below the belt then I support the other fighting dirty as well. Keep pushing the envelope techno, as a computer person you'd think you'd have a basic understanding of game theory. Your approach ends in civil war.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by I Shrugged » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:47 pm

doodle wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:41 pm
If the Democrats did the same to Republican president and then turned on word if be supporting their side. If one fighter hits below the belt then I support the other fighting dirty as well. Keep pushing the envelope techno, as a computer person you'd think you'd have a basic understanding of game theory. Your approach ends in civil war.
The Democrats in Congress have reversed their arguments many times when faced with a situation with the parties reversed from the original situations. They never seem to pay a price for doing so.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by doodle » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:01 pm

I support honesty over party. We can have legitimate disagreements on policy and philosophy but I don't believe the ends justifies the means when it comes to dishonesty....that is corrosive. Democrats lie and that is despicable. Their hypocrisy is inexcusable. However, no politician has ever been as big of a bullshitter as Trump. He is a con man and a demagogue. That is a fact. You may take the approach that his end goals justify whatever means are necessary...Mao and Stalin took that perspective as well. Those here that radically support the tribalism happening in our country now over the honesty to call a bullshitter out on his lies will gut this countries institutions. In the same way, Democrats need to have honest discussion on race and police violence in this country. Just because I am vehemently anti Trump doest make me pro Democrat. If they get into power and start spewing misinformation and lies and pushing dishonest policies I will criticize them just as harshly.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by glennds » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:56 pm

technovelist wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:25 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:12 pm
doodle wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:50 pm
Republicans set a precedent with Merrick Garland that they are now chosing not to follow.
False.
Scott Adams explains the "McConnell Rule" to his imaginary liberal friend "Dale": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgyny2ktF7Q
Good one. Condition 2 of the McConnell rule as he explains it is that the President and Senate majority have to be opposite parties for the appointment to be delayed. I cannot find anything from back in 2016 that includes this condition. Everything I am finding only speaks to Condition 1, namely that it is an election year and the next president ought to make the pick. Can you point me to something that spells out Condition 2 when McConnell made the arguments to block the hearings on Garland?

I'm trying to determine whether it was something he specifically articulated at the time, or whether he is only now clarifying, or maybe re-interpreting what he really meant.
Thanks
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Mark Leavy » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:07 pm

Everyone knows that all of these rules are imaginary, right?

The president can nominate and the senate can decide to confirm or not.
Anything else is pablum.
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Post by Tyler » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:35 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:07 pm
I enjoyed reading this reminiscense by The Volokh Conspiracy at Reason Magazine.
That was indeed a good read. Thanks for sharing.
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