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When someone's opinion differs from yours...

Post by jalanlong » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm

So these days we live in a world where 1) people feel the need to express their opinion on everything and 2) they have the tools to do it in a public forum.

So with this in mind,what do you guys do when you see that someone you are doing business with has expressed an opinion that doesn't necessarily just differ from yours but pretty much insults you directly? I personally hate cancel culture and the whole notion of constant culture wars where one side is punishing the other with boycotts etc when they don't agree with them on something.

However, I recently moved my money to a small, start-up bank that has really great rates, great products, excellent online platform etc. I love everything about their product. However, their CEO/Owner spends a huge amount of time on Twitter bashing Libertarians/Conservatives for their selfish, illogical positions but his tweets show that he knows very little about their actual positions. Why someone trying to get a start-up bank off the ground would insult a huge swath of prospective customers is a mystery but in any case, how do you guys handle things like this?

I happen to be one of those "freedom" loving people that he caricatures quite often. And as such I like living in a county where people can have differing opinions. He has his opinions on masks and I have mine for example. However, when he insults my position and characterizes someone who holds my position in a certain way, it makes it very hard for me to continue to want to give my money to him in a business transaction. Am I wrong?
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Post by stuper1 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:12 pm

It sounds like he's an idiot. Doesn't he realize that small business owners typically love liberty? Doesn't he want their business at his bank? People who mix business with politics are idiots, but there seem to be a lot of these people these days. You are certainly not wrong for feeling the way you do. You just have to make a business decision. Do you like his product enough to put up with his idiocy?
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Post by jalanlong » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:30 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:12 pm
It sounds like he's an idiot. Doesn't he realize that small business owners typically love liberty? Doesn't he want their business at his bank? People who mix business with politics are idiots, but there seem to be a lot of these people these days. You are certainly not wrong for feeling the way you do. You just have to make a business decision. Do you like his product enough to put up with his idiocy?
I have heard him on podcasts and when it comes to banking he has a lot of very good ideas and definitely knows his stuff. When it comes to politics..well he is in California and he is a young tech guy and I am sure he is swayed by the crowd. The posts are on his personal Twitter btw. Surprisingly throughout this year the bank has not made one post about current events.

As an example, he had a tweet on masks. Now if he just came out and said "I am in favor of wearing masks" then that is fine. That is his opinion. However his tweet was along the lines of can you believe Americans proclaiming their "right" not to wear a mask because of "freedom" as they get into a car registered to the state with a license issued by the state and buckling up a seat belt forced by law. Then does some laughing monkey emjois.

There was also a tweet about while America is burning you can vote for a Firehose (Biden) or a Molotov Cocktail (Trump) so choose wisely...
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Post by pp4me » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:23 pm

I once closed my accounts at Bank of America when I saw photos of the executives sitting in luxury suites at the Super Bowl after they took bail out money from the government in the TARP program.

Don't think I'd do that just because of a difference in opinion however, especially when he's expressing it on his own twitter account and not the bank's. I would just ignore him unless he actually does something politically motivated that affects you.
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Post by stuper1 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:19 pm

Maybe it's sort of like the people who put supposedly Christian symbols on their advertising. To me, that's just another form of virtue signaling, although many are very sincere I'm sure. I just ignore the symbols when I'm deciding whether to do business with them. I say this as a Christian myself, although my beliefs are quite different from most who would call themselves Christians and put the symbols on their advertising. Actually, if I'm being totally honest, if I have two companies to select from, and all other things being equal, I probably do pick the "Christian" company first in hopes that religious people will be more honest than non-religious. In the case of this guy's bank, all other things being equal, I would pick another bank, because he sounds like somebody who likes big government, and I don't trust big government, so I figure people who do support big government make worse business people.
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Post by I Shrugged » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:19 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:30 pm
stuper1 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:12 pm
It sounds like he's an idiot. Doesn't he realize that small business owners typically love liberty? Doesn't he want their business at his bank? People who mix business with politics are idiots, but there seem to be a lot of these people these days. You are certainly not wrong for feeling the way you do. You just have to make a business decision. Do you like his product enough to put up with his idiocy?
I have heard him on podcasts and when it comes to banking he has a lot of very good ideas and definitely knows his stuff. When it comes to politics..well he is in California and he is a young tech guy and I am sure he is swayed by the crowd. The posts are on his personal Twitter btw. Surprisingly throughout this year the bank has not made one post about current events.

As an example, he had a tweet on masks. Now if he just came out and said "I am in favor of wearing masks" then that is fine. That is his opinion. However his tweet was along the lines of can you believe Americans proclaiming their "right" not to wear a mask because of "freedom" as they get into a car registered to the state with a license issued by the state and buckling up a seat belt forced by law. Then does some laughing monkey emjois.

There was also a tweet about while America is burning you can vote for a Firehose (Biden) or a Molotov Cocktail (Trump) so choose wisely...
The thing is, most people on the left that I observe don't have any doubt that they are right, and that almost everyone agrees with them. I always saw it with teachers' unions. They couldn't understand how parents and taxpayers weren't supporting their strikes. They believe their own press clippings, as the saying goes.

I have friends on the right who do the same kind of stupid social media things that your guy is doing. They know that others disagree, they just want to push peoples' buttons, I think. I almost feel we have to view these social media nuisances with some amusement. I give a little extra slack to the younger ones who think they know it all but will find out differently over time.

As to continued patronage, I guess that's simply a personal decision. I like pro sports, and am not going to stop watching them because of BLM messages and such. I roll my eyes a lot, though. :) But I have friends who have dis-owned their favorite teams over it.
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Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm

If you had a serious medical issue that required surgery would you forego the definite most qualified surgeon
because his / her medical views were 100% opposite to yours and move on to the next most qualified one whose views were not so opposite to yours?

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Post by Xan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm

vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm
If you had a serious medical issue that required surgery would you forego the definite most qualified surgeon
because his / her medical views were 100% opposite to yours and move on to the next most qualified one whose views were not so opposite to yours?

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I'm not sure how that's analogous here. This is more like, would you patronize a sandwich shop that makes okay sandwiches but insults you, or would you go to the other sandwich shop next door?
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Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:34 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm
If you had a serious medical issue that required surgery would you forego the definite most qualified surgeon
because his / her medical views were 100% opposite to yours and move on to the next most qualified one whose views were not so opposite to yours?

Vinny
I'm not sure how that's analogous here. This is more like, would you patronize a sandwich shop that makes okay sandwiches but insults you, or would you go to the other sandwich shop next door?
How is it not analogous? This started with the original poster stating that he really liked the product and would not like to leave it, implying leaving it would lead to taking an inferior product, not an equal one.

Therefore, in both cases it's a choice of either of choosing between a superior product / services with offensive political views or an inferior product / services with no offensive political views attached to them.

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Re: When someone's opinion differs from yours...

Post by Xan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:45 pm

vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:34 pm
Xan wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm
If you had a serious medical issue that required surgery would you forego the definite most qualified surgeon
because his / her medical views were 100% opposite to yours and move on to the next most qualified one whose views were not so opposite to yours?

Vinny
I'm not sure how that's analogous here. This is more like, would you patronize a sandwich shop that makes okay sandwiches but insults you, or would you go to the other sandwich shop next door?
How is it not analogous? This started with the original poster stating that he really liked the product and would not like to leave it, implying leaving it would lead to taking an inferior product, not an equal one.

Therefore, in both cases it's a choice of either of choosing between a superior product / services with offensive political views or an inferior product / services with no offensive political views attached to them.

Vinny
Because the stakes are much lower. This isn't life-or-death surgery.

Let me draw an analogy with your analogy. Suppose jalanlong had said "I like this sandwich shop, it's slightly better than the one next door, but the one next door charges $4/sandwich and this one charges $40/sandwich. Which one should I go to?"

You might reply with "Would you forego the most qualified surgeon if he wanted $4000 for a procedure that some other surgeon could do for $400?"

Such a response wouldn't apply. This is not a medical procedure. It's either a sandwich, or a bank.
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Re: When someone's opinion differs from yours...

Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:48 pm

Xan wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:45 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:34 pm
Xan wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm
If you had a serious medical issue that required surgery would you forego the definite most qualified surgeon
because his / her medical views were 100% opposite to yours and move on to the next most qualified one whose views were not so opposite to yours?

Vinny
I'm not sure how that's analogous here. This is more like, would you patronize a sandwich shop that makes okay sandwiches but insults you, or would you go to the other sandwich shop next door?
How is it not analogous? This started with the original poster stating that he really liked the product and would not like to leave it, implying leaving it would lead to taking an inferior product, not an equal one.

Therefore, in both cases it's a choice of either of choosing between a superior product / services with offensive political views or an inferior product / services with no offensive political views attached to them.

Vinny
Because the stakes are much lower. This isn't life-or-death surgery.

Let me draw an analogy with your analogy. Suppose jalanlong had said "I like this sandwich shop, it's slightly better than the one next door, but the one next door charges $4/sandwich and this one charges $40/sandwich. Which one should I go to?"

You might reply with "Would you forego the most qualified surgeon if he wanted $4000 for a procedure that some other surgeon could do for $400?"

Such a response wouldn't apply. This is not a medical procedure. It's either a sandwich, or a bank.
Yes, I agree the stakes are totally different.

But I'm trying to get at the principles involved.

If a principle is strongly held then it does not matter what the stakes are.

But if the principles start to bend when the stakes get higher were their really principles involved?

Or, maybe, I'm getting too deep with this??!!

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Re: When someone's opinion differs from yours...

Post by jalanlong » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:51 pm

vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:34 pm
Xan wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:23 pm
If you had a serious medical issue that required surgery would you forego the definite most qualified surgeon
because his / her medical views were 100% opposite to yours and move on to the next most qualified one whose views were not so opposite to yours?

Vinny
I'm not sure how that's analogous here. This is more like, would you patronize a sandwich shop that makes okay sandwiches but insults you, or would you go to the other sandwich shop next door?
How is it not analogous? This started with the original poster stating that he really liked the product and would not like to leave it, implying leaving it would lead to taking an inferior product, not an equal one.

Therefore, in both cases it's a choice of either of choosing between a superior product / services with offensive political views or an inferior product / services with no offensive political views attached to them.

Vinny
Well the stakes are not the same in eating an inferior sandwich vs choosing an inferior surgeon.

However, is it disingenuous of me to be angry at him for his social media diatribes when a) I chose to read them, he did not send them to me and b) I only follow him because he is a CEO of a startup bank. I dont vett everyone I do business with. I do not follow my dentist's tweets or my veterinarian's or my barber's. We get mad at the big companies doing the big virtue signaling but we never hold our local merchants to the same standards.
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