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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by drumminj » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:54 pm

vnatale wrote:
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This year I’ll have to stay up and watch the returns. Last time I didn’t want to see Hillary’s win so I just went to bed. I guess I missed some fun TV.
Last time I was up until at least 4 AM. I don't think Trump came out until about 3:30 AM? It was all somewhat surreal. I think Trump felt the same way because you could clearly see that he was shocked that he'd actually won.

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I did the same, and set a limit order to buy the dip in stocks in the morning, but sadly the market had "recovered" by the time they officially opened, vs how they were behaving internationally/in the futures market.

The Floyd protests got a few blocks from our house, with the police pushing the rioters/protestors into our residential area. I'm not sure yet if we'll be bugging in, or bugging out, for election night. But I expect it to be messy, regardless.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by flyingpylon » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:07 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:33 pm
This year I’ll have to stay up and watch the returns. Last time I didn’t want to see Hillary’s win so I just went to bed. I guess I missed some fun TV.
In 1976 I was in 5th grade and stayed up with my dad to watch the election returns. It was a late night when Carter was declared the winner. I’ve stayed up for every election since.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by technovelist » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:10 pm

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Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm
I was thinking along those lines earlier today. Go to the polls and vote first thing in the morning while the rioters are still in bed, then get out of the city to wait out the worst of it. Hopefully my mom's house in NJ will be safe enough.
Is there no early voting in NY? We always vote here as soon as early voting begins.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by sophie » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:21 am

technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:10 pm
sophie wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm
I was thinking along those lines earlier today. Go to the polls and vote first thing in the morning while the rioters are still in bed, then get out of the city to wait out the worst of it. Hopefully my mom's house in NJ will be safe enough.
Is there no early voting in NY? We always vote here as soon as early voting begins.
No, only absentee ballots. The only way to make sure your vote is counted is to go physically to the polling place. Since they open at 6am, I can get that done well before the mayhem starts.

I just figure there will be a lot of hanky-panky with the mail-in ballots, e.g. throwing out ballots from Republican strongholds, intercepting ballots and steaming them open, and city employees or volunteers responsible for opening the ballots selectively discarding them based on their votes. Spread the word: Trump voters need to go in person because our ballots will be at higher risk.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by technovelist » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:11 am

sophie wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:21 am
technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:10 pm
sophie wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm
I was thinking along those lines earlier today. Go to the polls and vote first thing in the morning while the rioters are still in bed, then get out of the city to wait out the worst of it. Hopefully my mom's house in NJ will be safe enough.
Is there no early voting in NY? We always vote here as soon as early voting begins.
No, only absentee ballots. The only way to make sure your vote is counted is to go physically to the polling place. Since they open at 6am, I can get that done well before the mayhem starts.

I just figure there will be a lot of hanky-panky with the mail-in ballots, e.g. throwing out ballots from Republican strongholds, intercepting ballots and steaming them open, and city employees or volunteers responsible for opening the ballots selectively discarding them based on their votes. Spread the word: Trump voters need to go in person because our ballots will be at higher risk.
Yes, and if they do vote absentee, they should also go to the polling place to check that their vote was recorded. If not, they should vote in person. >:D
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by glennds » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:18 am

technovelist wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:11 am
sophie wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:21 am
technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:10 pm
sophie wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm
I was thinking along those lines earlier today. Go to the polls and vote first thing in the morning while the rioters are still in bed, then get out of the city to wait out the worst of it. Hopefully my mom's house in NJ will be safe enough.
Is there no early voting in NY? We always vote here as soon as early voting begins.
No, only absentee ballots. The only way to make sure your vote is counted is to go physically to the polling place. Since they open at 6am, I can get that done well before the mayhem starts.

I just figure there will be a lot of hanky-panky with the mail-in ballots, e.g. throwing out ballots from Republican strongholds, intercepting ballots and steaming them open, and city employees or volunteers responsible for opening the ballots selectively discarding them based on their votes. Spread the word: Trump voters need to go in person because our ballots will be at higher risk.
Yes, and if they do vote absentee, they should also go to the polling place to check that their vote was recorded. If not, they should vote in person. >:D
I've heard this mentioned, but it is not clear to me that the physical polling locations will have the ability to confirm that mailed and/or absentee ballots have been recorded. I'm trying to definitively determine the answer to this question.
Does anyone here know for certain that the polling locations will have this capability?
How will they do it?
Log into a system with the local county recorder's office?
Hopefully a system that can't be hacked..... sigh
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by technovelist » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:45 am

glennds wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:18 am
technovelist wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:11 am
sophie wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:21 am
technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:10 pm
sophie wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm
I was thinking along those lines earlier today. Go to the polls and vote first thing in the morning while the rioters are still in bed, then get out of the city to wait out the worst of it. Hopefully my mom's house in NJ will be safe enough.
Is there no early voting in NY? We always vote here as soon as early voting begins.
No, only absentee ballots. The only way to make sure your vote is counted is to go physically to the polling place. Since they open at 6am, I can get that done well before the mayhem starts.

I just figure there will be a lot of hanky-panky with the mail-in ballots, e.g. throwing out ballots from Republican strongholds, intercepting ballots and steaming them open, and city employees or volunteers responsible for opening the ballots selectively discarding them based on their votes. Spread the word: Trump voters need to go in person because our ballots will be at higher risk.
Yes, and if they do vote absentee, they should also go to the polling place to check that their vote was recorded. If not, they should vote in person. >:D
I've heard this mentioned, but it is not clear to me that the physical polling locations will have the ability to confirm that mailed and/or absentee ballots have been recorded. I'm trying to definitively determine the answer to this question.
Does anyone here know for certain that the polling locations will have this capability?
How will they do it?
Log into a system with the local county recorder's office?
Hopefully a system that can't be hacked..... sigh
There are two possibilities:
1. They can check, in which case there's no problem with my suggestion, or
2. They can't check, in which case it is obvious that the potential for fraud is a tremendously serious problem.

So there's really no downside to going there to ask.

The script I would use would go something like this:
"Hi, polling person. I sent in an absentee ballot three weeks ago (or whatever). Did it get recorded?"

If they don't know, then we have a serious issue.
If they do know, take the appropriate action (vote if it hasn't been recorded, thank them if it has been).

I don't see how anyone could get in trouble for doing this; do you?
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by pugchief » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:22 am

Our county has been allowing mail voting for anyone, no questions asked, for several years. I have been using it for as long as it has been available. They send email confirmation that your request for a mail ballot has been received, another when it has actually been mailed, and a third when they receive it back. However, I have no idea what they do with it once they get it or whether the votes are actually recorded.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by glennds » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:21 pm

technovelist wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:45 am
glennds wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:18 am
technovelist wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:11 am
sophie wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:21 am

No, only absentee ballots. The only way to make sure your vote is counted is to go physically to the polling place. Since they open at 6am, I can get that done well before the mayhem starts.

I just figure there will be a lot of hanky-panky with the mail-in ballots, e.g. throwing out ballots from Republican strongholds, intercepting ballots and steaming them open, and city employees or volunteers responsible for opening the ballots selectively discarding them based on their votes. Spread the word: Trump voters need to go in person because our ballots will be at higher risk.
Yes, and if they do vote absentee, they should also go to the polling place to check that their vote was recorded. If not, they should vote in person. >:D
I've heard this mentioned, but it is not clear to me that the physical polling locations will have the ability to confirm that mailed and/or absentee ballots have been recorded. I'm trying to definitively determine the answer to this question.
Does anyone here know for certain that the polling locations will have this capability?
How will they do it?
Log into a system with the local county recorder's office?
Hopefully a system that can't be hacked..... sigh
There are two possibilities:
1. They can check, in which case there's no problem with my suggestion, or
2. They can't check, in which case it is obvious that the potential for fraud is a tremendously serious problem.

So there's really no downside to going there to ask.

The script I would use would go something like this:
"Hi, polling person. I sent in an absentee ballot three weeks ago (or whatever). Did it get recorded?"

If they don't know, then we have a serious issue.
If they do know, take the appropriate action (vote if it hasn't been recorded, thank them if it has been).

I don't see how anyone could get in trouble for doing this; do you?
I can't really say about anyone getting in trouble or not.
We'll find out on election day, but I'm expecting the answer to the question to be they don't know. A serious issue as you say.
So then what's the appropriate action?
Vote again out of an abundance of caution? Then there's a risk of double voting, not good.
Don't vote again? Then if you're mail in vote wasn't counted, there's a risk that your vote has been excluded, not good.

I think I'll vote by mail early, or maybe drop off my mail in ballot at the County recorder's office where I am told they will have collection depositories. At least that eliminates the postal service as a factor. There's only so much a voter can do.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by sophie » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:28 pm

Probably the easiest form of fraud with mail-in ballots is the people who open the mail. It's got to be incredibly easy for them to open a ballot, spot a vote they don't favor, and toss it in the trash. Or even easier, just say it's not appropriately filled out. They could even mark it up in a way that makes that true. And, I'm sure these positions are not difficult to get, nor are they carefully vetted or supervised.

In a normal election I wouldn't be so concerned, but this one is so highly charged that any form of fraud you can imagine is going to happen to a great enough extent to influence the outcome. So I view it as my good-citizen mandate to go and vote in person this time.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by technovelist » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:51 pm

sophie wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:28 pm
Probably the easiest form of fraud with mail-in ballots is the people who open the mail. It's got to be incredibly easy for them to open a ballot, spot a vote they don't favor, and toss it in the trash. Or even easier, just say it's not appropriately filled out. They could even mark it up in a way that makes that true. And, I'm sure these positions are not difficult to get, nor are they carefully vetted or supervised.

In a normal election I wouldn't be so concerned, but this one is so highly charged that any form of fraud you can imagine is going to happen to a great enough extent to influence the outcome. So I view it as my good-citizen mandate to go and vote in person this time.
Thanks. Your contribution, even though it probably doesn't mean much in such a blue state as NY, still makes it a tiny bit harder for the Democrats to claim a mandate.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:54 am

Except for Buttigieg.
I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. Who knows whether that person will be wise or foolish? Yet they will have control over all the fruit of my toil into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. . . Nothing is better for a man than to eat and drink and enjoy his work.
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