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Effect of delayed election results

Post by glennds » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:47 pm

Bush vs. Gore in 2000 was an example of delayed election result. Florida recount controversy, hanging chads, etc.
However, other than that one, I cannot recall another delayed election result in my adult life. Plus the country is a different place today than it was in 2000.
I have heard speculation that results may very well be delayed due to ballot counting. Maybe other reasons will arise also.

So this raises a question. If the election results are delayed this time around, what do you expect? Patience? Civil unrest? A lot of inconsequential media drama but not much else?

What if the delay is a week, two weeks, a month, longer?

I ask because the battle lines over alleged fraud and rigging have already been drawn. A day by day delay in results will only add gasoline to the fire.

Worse yet, what if there is a mirage victory on election night, implying a win for one side, which then eventually goes the other way when counts are in?
Part of me wonders whether this election is destined to be decided in the Supreme Court. Thoughts?
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by flyingpylon » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:01 am

This is a topic because the Democrats and their narrative engineers in the media have already started prepping the battlefield so that people will be less surprised at the chaos that will ensue after an apparent Trump win on election night. We can probably expect to see the various social media platforms clamp down on what they deem to be “misinformation” beginning on election night as well. Controlling the narrative will be key.

It could get interesting. Or not, I have no idea what will happen. But nothing seems normal or routine anymore.

Edited to add links regarding the "Transition Integrity Project" (great name ::) ):

The Left Is Setting The Stage For A Coup If Trump Wins

The Resistance War Games a Post-Election Civil War
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by pp4me » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:33 am

If the saying holds true that "the market doesn't like uncertainty" it could end up being very bad for stocks (or good if you're buying).
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by technovelist » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:56 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:01 am
This is a topic because the Democrats and their narrative engineers in the media have already started prepping the battlefield so that people will be less surprised at the chaos that will ensue after an apparent Trump win on election night. We can probably expect to see the various social media platforms clamp down on what they deem to be “misinformation” beginning on election night as well. Controlling the narrative will be key.

It could get interesting. Or not, I have no idea what will happen. But nothing seems normal or routine anymore.

Edited to add links regarding the "Transition Integrity Project" (great name ::) ):

The Left Is Setting The Stage For A Coup If Trump Wins

The Resistance War Games a Post-Election Civil War
Facebook and Twitter have already announced that they won't allow Trump to claim victory on election night.

Just Trump. Biden can say whatever he wants.

It is going to get interesting, in the non-ancient Chinese curse meaning.

The only way things will get back to normal reasonably quickly is if Trump wins in a big enough landslide that all of their efforts to cheat are of no avail.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by glennds » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:52 am

technovelist wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:56 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:01 am
This is a topic because the Democrats and their narrative engineers in the media have already started prepping the battlefield so that people will be less surprised at the chaos that will ensue after an apparent Trump win on election night. We can probably expect to see the various social media platforms clamp down on what they deem to be “misinformation” beginning on election night as well. Controlling the narrative will be key.

It could get interesting. Or not, I have no idea what will happen. But nothing seems normal or routine anymore.

Edited to add links regarding the "Transition Integrity Project" (great name ::) ):

The Left Is Setting The Stage For A Coup If Trump Wins

The Resistance War Games a Post-Election Civil War
Facebook and Twitter have already announced that they won't allow Trump to claim victory on election night.

Just Trump. Biden can say whatever he wants.

It is going to get interesting, in the non-ancient Chinese curse meaning.

The only way things will get back to normal reasonably quickly is if Trump wins in a big enough landslide that all of their efforts to cheat are of no avail.
When I game the scenarios out in my mind, yes, I would say a decisive Trump win is probably the least disruptive immediate post-election outcome. Whether it is the best thing in the long term is a matter of opinion. But if the concern is unrest and chaos in a delayed election period, a Trump victory would probably be least destructive IMO. Partly because Trump himself will have no incentive to disrupt his own victory.

Apparently early in the summer a non-partisan group of 60 or so high level players ran a series of war game scenarios on the election, and some of the predictions were alarming to say the least. Examples being violent protests, constitutional crisis, all on a backdrop of recession and pandemic. Not to mention public mistrust of the media, each other, and basically everything. There were scenarios that involved faithless electors and popular vote/electoral college conflict going both ways. Of course allegations of fraud and rigging going both ways also.
Some say these predictions are overblown, but with the degree of divided partisanship and perceptions of existential stakes, I think its very possible that things could get pretty ugly.

It's worth thinking about. For Permanent Portfolio type survivalists, it might be a good time to plan for especially volatile markets, and perhaps stock up on food and other stuff in case you don't care to leave home for a bit. Or if you have a cabin out of town somewhere, might be a good time to go there for peace and quiet. If it ends up being much ado about nothing, then fine, your pantry is more stocked than usual, you have more cash on hand, and the markets are calmer than you prepared for. Better than the other way around.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by glennds » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:57 am

technovelist wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:56 pm

Facebook and Twitter have already announced that they won't allow Trump to claim victory on election night.
Axios just put out an interview with Zuckerberg and he talked at some length about the likelihood of delayed results. There was also concern about a possible mirage victory either way (where victory is declared on election night going one way, and reverses in post election night ballot counting).
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by technovelist » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:17 am

glennds wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:52 am
technovelist wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:56 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:01 am
This is a topic because the Democrats and their narrative engineers in the media have already started prepping the battlefield so that people will be less surprised at the chaos that will ensue after an apparent Trump win on election night. We can probably expect to see the various social media platforms clamp down on what they deem to be “misinformation” beginning on election night as well. Controlling the narrative will be key.

It could get interesting. Or not, I have no idea what will happen. But nothing seems normal or routine anymore.

Edited to add links regarding the "Transition Integrity Project" (great name ::) ):

The Left Is Setting The Stage For A Coup If Trump Wins

The Resistance War Games a Post-Election Civil War
Facebook and Twitter have already announced that they won't allow Trump to claim victory on election night.

Just Trump. Biden can say whatever he wants.

It is going to get interesting, in the non-ancient Chinese curse meaning.

The only way things will get back to normal reasonably quickly is if Trump wins in a big enough landslide that all of their efforts to cheat are of no avail.
When I game the scenarios out in my mind, yes, I would say a decisive Trump win is probably the least disruptive immediate post-election outcome. Whether it is the best thing in the long term is a matter of opinion. But if the concern is unrest and chaos in a delayed election period, a Trump victory would probably be least destructive IMO. Partly because Trump himself will have no incentive to disrupt his own victory.

Apparently early in the summer a non-partisan group of 60 or so high level players ran a series of war game scenarios on the election, and some of the predictions were alarming to say the least. Examples being violent protests, constitutional crisis, all on a backdrop of recession and pandemic. Not to mention public mistrust of the media, each other, and basically everything. There were scenarios that involved faithless electors and popular vote/electoral college conflict going both ways. Of course allegations of fraud and rigging going both ways also.
Some say these predictions are overblown, but with the degree of divided partisanship and perceptions of existential stakes, I think its very possible that things could get pretty ugly.

It's worth thinking about. For Permanent Portfolio type survivalists, it might be a good time to plan for especially volatile markets, and perhaps stock up on food and other stuff in case you don't care to leave home for a bit. Or if you have a cabin out of town somewhere, might be a good time to go there for peace and quiet. If it ends up being much ado about nothing, then fine, your pantry is more stocked than usual, you have more cash on hand, and the markets are calmer than you prepared for. Better than the other way around.
A good comment that people should pay attention to.

The only thing I would like to add is that "non-partisan" part of the description isn't the whole story.

Yes, they had Republicans, but of the Never-Trumper type.

The personnel consisted entirely of members of the War Party, aka "neocons" and "neolibs".

They are telling us what they are going to do if Trump wins: commit treason.

Or try to. I think the patriots have them outnumbered and outgunned. The traitors may start the war, but the patriots will end it.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by glennds » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:01 pm

technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:17 am

They are telling us what they are going to do if Trump wins: commit treason.

Or try to. I think the patriots have them outnumbered and outgunned. The traitors may start the war, but the patriots will end it.
If you're right,I just hope to not find myself in the crossfire. I've wondered if Oct/Nov might be a good time to take a vacation overseas. Unfortunately though Covid closed borders have limited the options. Conundrum.

Besides, I might be beset by nightmares about returning to the US to find the Statue of Liberty in pieces with crazed Democrats dancing on the fragments like wild savages straight out of Planet of the Apes.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by technovelist » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:58 pm

glennds wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:01 pm
technovelist wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:17 am

They are telling us what they are going to do if Trump wins: commit treason.

Or try to. I think the patriots have them outnumbered and outgunned. The traitors may start the war, but the patriots will end it.
If you're right,I just hope to not find myself in the crossfire. I've wondered if Oct/Nov might be a good time to take a vacation overseas. Unfortunately though Covid closed borders have limited the options. Conundrum.

Besides, I might be beset by nightmares about returning to the US to find the Statue of Liberty in pieces with crazed Democrats dancing on the fragments like wild savages straight out of Planet of the Apes.
There are places in the US that probably won't be targeted until after January 20th, and not even then if Trump is re-elected. I'm pretty sure that if Biden is elected, Trump will suppress riots until he's gone. Of course if he is re-elected, that won't be a problem at all.

If I were in your situation, I'd look to take a vacation in a rural place in a red state.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by sophie » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm

I was thinking along those lines earlier today. Go to the polls and vote first thing in the morning while the rioters are still in bed, then get out of the city to wait out the worst of it. Hopefully my mom's house in NJ will be safe enough.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by I Shrugged » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:33 pm

This year I’ll have to stay up and watch the returns. Last time I didn’t want to see Hillary’s win so I just went to bed. I guess I missed some fun TV.
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Re: Effect of delayed election results

Post by vnatale » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:42 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:33 pm
This year I’ll have to stay up and watch the returns. Last time I didn’t want to see Hillary’s win so I just went to bed. I guess I missed some fun TV.
Last time I was up until at least 4 AM. I don't think Trump came out until about 3:30 AM? It was all somewhat surreal. I think Trump felt the same way because you could clearly see that he was shocked that he'd actually won.

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