Only 6% of covid-19 deaths were solely caused by it

[Libertarian666]

In other words, the whole pandemic WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! turned out to be completely wrong:

" The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had contributing conditions.

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had other “health conditions and contributing causes.”"

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-c ... onditions/

So it looks like anyone who is healthy can go about their lives normally.
Not medical advice, etc.

@WiseOne?

[doodle]

That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!

[Maddy]

The really pathetic thing is that this is not "new information." The only thing "new" is the CDC's willingness to admit it.

[pp4me]

That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!

A couple of questions:

1. Why would this information cause someone to go around licking door handles?

2. Does the deepness of your breathing have anything to do with the spread of COVID?

[Libertarian666]

That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!

A couple of questions:

1. Why would this information cause someone to go around licking door handles?

2. Does the deepness of your breathing have anything to do with the spread of COVID?

You can't discuss anything sensibly with a mentally ill person.

[jalanlong]

In other words, the whole pandemic WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! turned out to be completely wrong:

" The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had contributing conditions.

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had other “health conditions and contributing causes.”"

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-c ... onditions/

So it looks like anyone who is healthy can go about their lives normally.
Not medical advice, etc.

@WiseOne?

From my limited engagement with Covid Chicken Littles, I can tell you this data is meaningless to them. They will respond:

1) Even if it doesn't cause death it can cause a lifetime of damage to you or others.
2) That data is all well and good if you have no underlying conditions (that you know about). However, your cavalier attitude in refusing to limit the spread of this virus shows you are an ableist who does not have compassion for those that do not have the good fortune of health that you have. If you or one of your family members had such health compromises your attitude might change. Your world is not everybody's world.

There you go. Saved you the trouble of speaking to any of them.

[Cortopassi]

I have a hypothetical.

--A person with high blood pressure, mid 40s, get Covid and dies. Listed as Covid plus a comorbidity.

What's the thinking behind a very large percentage of those dying from Covid having had co-morbidities? Most of these, possibly except for weight loss, can't be resolved in any reasonable timeframe.

Are we saying, hey, you had high blood pressure, too bad, you would have lived another 40 years with medication, but Covid cut that short.

But that wasn't Covid's fault? Not following the logic.

[doodle]

That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!

A couple of questions:

1. Why would this information cause someone to go around licking door handles?

2. Does the deepness of your breathing have anything to do with the spread of COVID?

You can't discuss anything sensibly with a mentally ill person.

Nearly half the American public has one or more comorbitity.

This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.

[Cortopassi]

This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.

I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.

[Mountaineer]

This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.

I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.

I’d like to think the first examples are the most effective ways to obtain the services: fire, police ... libraries And I would add highways and military. I’m not quite so sure about social security ... unemployment. Good question.

[jalanlong]

This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.

I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.

There is nothing more funny/frustrating to me as a Libertarian than seeing polls where people say the government is too big and too intrusive and spends too much and then the same people answering "yes" to should the government do more for education, creating jobs, helping the poor etc.
As much as it pains me to say it, I feel that most people who complain about socialism are complaining specifically about "welfare" and there is probably a decent amount of racism built in there. Because if you question them on anything else like social security or Medicare they will tell you "I worked for that!" with no understanding of what they actually paid in vs what they have gotten back.

My mother is a big anti government, stop giving my money to welfare queens person. But she never actually worked a private sector job in her life. She worked for a public school district for 30 years, retired at 50 and has drawn full salary and insurance since that time. In another 7 years she will have drawn a salary from them for longer than she actually worked there. What other job out there in the private sector would have given her that sort of retirement at that age? But lord don't call her a welfare queen!

Personally I am a pretty close to a pure Libertarian and I do not see any difference between food stamps, libraries, public television, National Endowment for the Arts or public schools. If the government is forcibly taking money for those services from citizens who do not use those services then it is "socialist" to me. Maybe not by pure definition of "socialism" but by the meaning most people accept these days.

[doodle]

A little known fact is that Roosevelt's new deal probably saved capitalism in this country. I think people forget how close to the edge of revolution we got in the 1930s. The programs coming out of that era I think are quite popular with Americans. Really the next step is universal health coverage. It's odd that it's such a contentious discussion as we already pay for everyone's health coverage anyways, except it's done in a completely disorganized haphazard fashion through an emergency room system with bills that are either written off, renegotiated or dropped due to bankruptcy. I don't know if this "commie" thing that arises in debates is a vestige of the cold war that refuses to die or what....certainly strange.

Now, I do think that the Democratic politicians are pandering idiots by and large who are seemingly incapable of having reality based dialogue regarding tough issues. On the other hand, I'm not really sure what the Republicans are advocating for the future of this nation...this isn't the postwar 1950s anymore. The world stage has dramatically changed since then. Everything is retrograde motion with them...even their make America great again slogan harkens to the past. We need solutions to the hollowing out of the middle class in this country...not to the degree that it destroys incentive and redistributes wealth equally, but let's bring things back into balance again. If you can't see that our political system, legal system, and economic system, have been altered to serve the interests of only a small segment of our population you haven't been paying attention.

It's so strange when I listen to a Kentucky coal miner fervently defending American capitalism while Warren Buffet, Soros, or Bill Gates...possibly the most succesfull capitalists of the 20th century call into question some of its effects and outcomes.

[jalanlong]

This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.

I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.

I’d like to think the first examples are the most effective ways to obtain the services: fire, police ... libraries And I would add highways and military. I’m not quite so sure about social security ... unemployment. Good question.

I highly question the necessity of public libraries in 2020. University libraries perhaps. The large public library in downtown Dallas could be considered a prime example of government waste. There are virtually no people in there checking out books or doing research. The only thing it seems to be used for is homeless people to come in out of the elements and sit in front of computers to watch YouTube all day. I would definitely recommend you never visit a restroom in there.

https://www.npr.org/2017/02/07/51395789 ... e-homeless

I understand some people may applaud that as creative use of public space. But you have to admit that was not the stated purpose of having libraries and using taxpayer dollars for them lo so many years ago. But we all know once a government program gets started, it often veers off course and certainly never ends.

[doodle]

This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.

I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.

I’d like to think the first examples are the most effective ways to obtain the services: fire, police ... libraries And I would add highways and military. I’m not quite so sure about social security ... unemployment. Good question.

I highly question the necessity of public libraries in 2020. University libraries perhaps. The large public library in downtown Dallas could be considered a prime example of government waste. There are virtually no people in there checking out books or doing research. The only thing it seems to be used for is homeless people to come in out of the elements and sit in front of computers to watch YouTube all day. I would definitely recommend you never visit a restroom in there.

https://www.npr.org/2017/02/07/51395789 ... e-homeless

I understand some people may applaud that as creative use of public space. But you have to admit that was not the stated purpose of having libraries and using taxpayer dollars for them lo so many years ago. But we all know once a government program gets started, it often veers off course and certainly never ends.

Yes, probably time to reenvision libraries in 21st century. It's already happening though. A lot of library material is now accessible online. I do think there is a role for a public institution which provides public accessibility to literary material and information...Whether that continues on as physical buildings or further migrates to cyberspace will probably continue to evolve. Just like paper newspapers I think these vestiges of our past will probably move to different mediums in the next 20 years or so.

[jalanlong]

The programs coming out of that era I think are quite popular with Americans.

I am very sure if you passed a Universal Basic Income law today and gave every citizen $5,000 a month, pretty quickly that would be "quite popular" with Americans as well. That does not make it right to do. Nor does it make it fiscally viable.

I have yet to hear anyone from either party explain how we pay for these things in the future. Democrats think magically the 1% is going to pay for everything. Republicans have no answer at all.

According to figures from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, to have a balanced budget right now you would need to tax everyone making more than $150k at an 80% tax rate. I am not saying a balanced budget is feasable or even desirable. But that gives you a starting point at how much the average American is going to have to start forking over to actually pay for these things they like so much. My son loved expensive gaming computers and high tech toys like VR sets until I made him start paying for them himself. Suddenly they were not quite a necessity any longer.

[doodle]

The programs coming out of that era I think are quite popular with Americans.

I am very sure if you passed a Universal Basic Income law today and gave every citizen $5,000 a month, pretty quickly that would be "quite popular" with Americans as well. That does not make it right to do. Nor does it make it fiscally viable.

I have yet to hear anyone from either party explain how we pay for these things in the future. Democrats think magically the 1% is going to pay for everything. Republicans have no answer at all.

According to figures from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, to have a balanced budget right now you would need to tax everyone making more than $150k at an 80% tax rate. I am not saying a balanced budget is feasable or even desirable. But that gives you a starting point at how much the average American is going to have to start forking over to actually pay for these things they like so much. My son loved expensive gaming computers and high tech toys like VR sets until I made him start paying for them himself. Suddenly they were not quite a necessity any longer.

The monetary system is a bit of a mysterious animal...the answer I guess eventually is we pay for it with inflation if it's creation exceeds the productive capacity of economy. Of course, despite the insane budget deficits of the last 10 years it hasn't cropped up yet...neither in Japan who is further along in this game than we are. Anyways, who is advocating for universal basic income at this point though...although it should be pointed out that there are right wing/libertarians who have touted it's merits and the question of how capitalism continues to function in a potentially automated jobless future are good thought experiments.

[I Shrugged]

One of quickest and widest thread divergences I've noticed in a while.

[vnatale]

The programs coming out of that era I think are quite popular with Americans.

I am very sure if you passed a Universal Basic Income law today and gave every citizen $5,000 a month, pretty quickly that would be "quite popular" with Americans as well. That does not make it right to do. Nor does it make it fiscally viable.

I have yet to hear anyone from either party explain how we pay for these things in the future. Democrats think magically the 1% is going to pay for everything. Republicans have no answer at all.

According to figures from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, to have a balanced budget right now you would need to tax everyone making more than $150k at an 80% tax rate. I am not saying a balanced budget is feasable or even desirable. But that gives you a starting point at how much the average American is going to have to start forking over to actually pay for these things they like so much. My son loved expensive gaming computers and high tech toys like VR sets until I made him start paying for them himself. Suddenly they were not quite a necessity any longer.

Second that!

Regarding kids.

I spent a lot of time with various kids when I was in my 30s. When we were out and about I asked them if they wanted this or that and, of course, they'd always say Yes.

At one point I reached a dilemma, asking myself, "Have I spent too much on them today?"

All of a sudden it became clear to me that at the start of the day when we were doing something, I should give them a fixed amount of money so that it was their money and their real choices to make.

I immediately saw the difference. I'd ask them if they wanted this or that and see the looks on their faces while they were thinking about how much it cost and how much money they had left and I then got a ton of, "No's."

Vinny

[Maddy]

I have a hypothetical.

--A person with high blood pressure, mid 40s, get Covid and dies. Listed as Covid plus a comorbidity.

What's the thinking behind a very large percentage of those dying from Covid having had co-morbidities? Most of these, possibly except for weight loss, can't be resolved in any reasonable timeframe.

Are we saying, hey, you had high blood pressure, too bad, you would have lived another 40 years with medication, but Covid cut that short.

But that wasn't Covid's fault? Not following the logic.

The significance, at least to me, is that people with severe comorbidities are, more often than not, train wrecks waiting to happen. If it isn't CoVid that knocks them off, it will be something else. . . and soon. The significance of this fact is that we could shut down our economy and hide under our desks for the next 30 years, and the outcome won't change in any meaningful way.

[Maddy]

That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!

Why would you say something like this?

[Mark Leavy]

The significance, at least to me, is that people with severe comorbidities are, more often than not, train wrecks waiting to happen. If it isn't CoVid that knocks them off, it will be something else. . . and soon. The significance of this fact is that we could shut down our economy and hide under our desks for the next 30 years, and the outcome won't change in any meaningful way.

I think you nailed it, Maddy. Most of the deaths are highly correlated with metabolic syndrome or senescence. MS is entirely reversible with weight loss. Even vegans (shudder) can cure metabolic syndrome by losing weight. Senescence, well that will get you in the end no matter what. I have sympathy for those that have been misled by nutrition experts, but I don't have any sympathy at all for shutting down the world because we've made the world so fragile that a significant percentage of the population is endangered by a coronavirus. That is the real crime.

[jalanlong]

I have a hypothetical.

--A person with high blood pressure, mid 40s, get Covid and dies. Listed as Covid plus a comorbidity.

What's the thinking behind a very large percentage of those dying from Covid having had co-morbidities? Most of these, possibly except for weight loss, can't be resolved in any reasonable timeframe.

Are we saying, hey, you had high blood pressure, too bad, you would have lived another 40 years with medication, but Covid cut that short.

But that wasn't Covid's fault? Not following the logic.

The significance, at least to me, is that people with severe comorbidities are, more often than not, train wrecks waiting to happen. If it isn't CoVid that knocks them off, it will be something else. . . and soon. The significance of this fact is that we could shut down our economy and hide under our desks for the next 30 years, and the outcome won't change in any meaningful way.

I feel like the way that Covid has been covered by most media outlets implies that it is like a tsunami that is indiscriminate in its death. Hence why so many parents in my area are scared to death to send their kindergartners back to school despite numbers that say that a 5 year old's chance of getting hospitalized or dying from the virus are infinitesimal. Society then made decisions based on the fears made off of those implications.

If the news stories had been focused on telling us each and every time that 94% of people who died were elderly or had diabetes, respiratory issues etc, it is certainly possible that everyone involved would have made different decisions or at least would have had to justify shutting down a gym or preschool in a different way than they had to before. It is a major piece of information that was missing or left out of most news headlines.

[Kriegsspiel]

That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!

Why would you say something like this?

doodle and Libertarian666 secretly LOVE antagonizing each other.

[Mark Leavy]

doodle and Libertarian666 secretly LOVE antagonizing each other.

And here I was thinking it was a jilted love affair. But you might be right.
Mark

[pp4me]

I was just watching Tucker and he said that a tweet that Donald Trump shared referring to this information from the CDC was taken down because it was "misinformation".

Hopefully, I',m missing some of the details because it's one of the damnest things I've heard of it true.