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Only 6% of covid-19 deaths were solely caused by it

Post by technovelist » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:10 pm

In other words, the whole pandemic WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! turned out to be completely wrong:

" The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had contributing conditions.

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had other “health conditions and contributing causes.”"

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-c ... onditions/

So it looks like anyone who is healthy can go about their lives normally.
Not medical advice, etc.

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Post by doodle » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:01 pm

That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!
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Post by Maddy » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:18 pm

The really pathetic thing is that this is not "new information." The only thing "new" is the CDC's willingness to admit it.
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Post by pp4me » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:26 pm

doodle wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:01 pm
That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!
A couple of questions:

1. Why would this information cause someone to go around licking door handles?

2. Does the deepness of your breathing have anything to do with the spread of COVID?
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Re: Only 6% of covid-19 deaths were solely caused by it

Post by technovelist » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:47 pm

pp4me wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:26 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:01 pm
That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!
A couple of questions:

1. Why would this information cause someone to go around licking door handles?

2. Does the deepness of your breathing have anything to do with the spread of COVID?
You can't discuss anything sensibly with a mentally ill person.
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Re: Only 6% of covid-19 deaths were solely caused by it

Post by jalanlong » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:58 pm

technovelist wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:10 pm
In other words, the whole pandemic WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! turned out to be completely wrong:

" The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had contributing conditions.

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had other “health conditions and contributing causes.”"

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-c ... onditions/

So it looks like anyone who is healthy can go about their lives normally.
Not medical advice, etc.

@sophie?
From my limited engagement with Covid Chicken Littles, I can tell you this data is meaningless to them. They will respond:

1) Even if it doesn't cause death it can cause a lifetime of damage to you or others.
2) That data is all well and good if you have no underlying conditions (that you know about). However, your cavalier attitude in refusing to limit the spread of this virus shows you are an ableist who does not have compassion for those that do not have the good fortune of health that you have. If you or one of your family members had such health compromises your attitude might change. Your world is not everybody's world.

There you go. Saved you the trouble of speaking to any of them.
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Re: Only 6% of covid-19 deaths were solely caused by it

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:01 pm

I have a hypothetical.

--A person with high blood pressure, mid 40s, get Covid and dies. Listed as Covid plus a comorbidity.

What's the thinking behind a very large percentage of those dying from Covid having had co-morbidities? Most of these, possibly except for weight loss, can't be resolved in any reasonable timeframe.

Are we saying, hey, you had high blood pressure, too bad, you would have lived another 40 years with medication, but Covid cut that short.

But that wasn't Covid's fault? Not following the logic.
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Post by doodle » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:18 pm

technovelist wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:47 pm
pp4me wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:26 pm
doodle wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:01 pm
That's a relief to know!. So in light of this new information I'm assuming you are going around licking door handles and breathing deeply in crowded rooms? After all, we aren't getting any younger, better to catch it sooner rather than later!
A couple of questions:

1. Why would this information cause someone to go around licking door handles?

2. Does the deepness of your breathing have anything to do with the spread of COVID?
You can't discuss anything sensibly with a mentally ill person.
Nearly half the American public has one or more comorbitity.

This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.
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Post by Cortopassi » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:14 pm

doodle wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:18 pm
This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.
I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.
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Post by Mountaineer » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:21 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:14 pm
doodle wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:18 pm
This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.
I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.
I’d like to think the first examples are the most effective ways to obtain the services: fire, police ... libraries And I would add highways and military. I’m not quite so sure about social security ... unemployment. Good question.
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Re: Only 6% of covid-19 deaths were solely caused by it

Post by jalanlong » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:32 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:14 pm
doodle wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:18 pm
This place has become absurd to a degree that it's actually becoming somewhat entertaining....I love how the man advocating for a private judicial system and posting bitchute articles as truth is diagnosing mental illness. There is no bridging the gap anymore I'm afraid. The kooks in this country have garbled common sense to a degree that people now protest for the government to keep their commie hands off of their Medicare.
I decided this weekend to either keep doing this or stop posting, and mentally the only way I could justify continuing is to treat it as a diversion, vs. getting mad.

Off topic----

We were riding bikes around this weekend, and passed a house that had two signs in front:

0% Socialist
100% American

Got me thinking, what % actually are we socialist and people, (even some here!), are fine with it? Are services socialist, like fire and police? Public schools, roads, parks, libraries certainly seem to be socialist as well. Social security, medicare, unemployment ditto.
There is nothing more funny/frustrating to me as a Libertarian than seeing polls where people say the government is too big and too intrusive and spends too much and then the same people answering "yes" to should the government do more for education, creating jobs, helping the poor etc.
As much as it pains me to say it, I feel that most people who complain about socialism are complaining specifically about "welfare" and there is probably a decent amount of racism built in there. Because if you question them on anything else like social security or Medicare they will tell you "I worked for that!" with no understanding of what they actually paid in vs what they have gotten back.

My mother is a big anti government, stop giving my money to welfare queens person. But she never actually worked a private sector job in her life. She worked for a public school district for 30 years, retired at 50 and has drawn full salary and insurance since that time. In another 7 years she will have drawn a salary from them for longer than she actually worked there. What other job out there in the private sector would have given her that sort of retirement at that age? But lord don't call her a welfare queen!

Personally I am a pretty close to a pure Libertarian and I do not see any difference between food stamps, libraries, public television, National Endowment for the Arts or public schools. If the government is forcibly taking money for those services from citizens who do not use those services then it is "socialist" to me. Maybe not by pure definition of "socialism" but by the meaning most people accept these days.
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Post by doodle » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:40 pm

A little known fact is that Roosevelt's new deal probably saved capitalism in this country. I think people forget how close to the edge of revolution we got in the 1930s. The programs coming out of that era I think are quite popular with Americans. Really the next step is universal health coverage. It's odd that it's such a contentious discussion as we already pay for everyone's health coverage anyways, except it's done in a completely disorganized haphazard fashion through an emergency room system with bills that are either written off, renegotiated or dropped due to bankruptcy. I don't know if this "commie" thing that arises in debates is a vestige of the cold war that refuses to die or what....certainly strange.

Now, I do think that the Democratic politicians are pandering idiots by and large who are seemingly incapable of having reality based dialogue regarding tough issues. On the other hand, I'm not really sure what the Republicans are advocating for the future of this nation...this isn't the postwar 1950s anymore. The world stage has dramatically changed since then. Everything is retrograde motion with them...even their make America great again slogan harkens to the past. We need solutions to the hollowing out of the middle class in this country...not to the degree that it destroys incentive and redistributes wealth equally, but let's bring things back into balance again. If you can't see that our political system, legal system, and economic system, have been altered to serve the interests of only a small segment of our population you haven't been paying attention.

It's so strange when I listen to a Kentucky coal miner fervently defending American capitalism while Warren Buffet, Soros, or Bill Gates...possibly the most succesfull capitalists of the 20th century call into question some of its effects and outcomes.
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