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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by stuper1 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:01 pm

Yeah, I see several others listed as centrist that are anything but.

I know several British people who consider the BBC to be anything but neutral anymore. Just another mouthpiece for the globalist big business agenda.
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Post by Kbg » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:29 am

shekels wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:06 am
Ad Orientem wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:57 am
More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html
Most of the Rino's have been against Trump since the beginning,
So if asked, most Trump people don't give a tinker's damn about what these people think.

If you are a Biden person is it just justification on their choice.

Given that some Dems have endorsed Trump also.
So if you ask Biden people, Most likely they don't care for the Dems that are supporting Trump ?

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
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Correction, most of the RINOs have been for Trump from the beginning.
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Post by Kbg » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:34 am

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Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:16 pm
I haven't found any news source that I would consider completely unbiased, but Reason Magazine is pretty close.

CNN and the Washington Post are really the bottom of the barrel - the phrase "too opinion-driven" is way too kind. Virtually every headline article is pure opinion, devoid of hard information, and I've caught them simply making stuff up several times. It's like they've long ago given up any pretense of journalism. If any of you are relying on them for news....definitely go find some other sources NOW.
It has been really sad to see the decline of the WAPO. I used to read them a lot in the 90s to mid-2000s and they were really good back then. But completely agree with your comment NOW. I often wonder if they and the NYT compete with each other for most biased print news. In any event, I think the decline went into free fall after Bezos bought them.

My current go to sources are BBC and Reuters. I'm really beginning to like Reuters a lot. Mostly news, very little opinion.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by shekels » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:40 am

Kbg wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:29 am
shekels wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:06 am
Ad Orientem wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:57 am
More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html
Most of the Rino's have been against Trump since the beginning,
So if asked, most Trump people don't give a tinker's damn about what these people think.

If you are a Biden person is it just justification on their choice.

Given that some Dems have endorsed Trump also.
So if you ask Biden people, Most likely they don't care for the Dems that are supporting Trump ?

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
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Correction, most of the RINOs have been for Trump from the beginning.

So if that is true (which I disagree) What changed the RINO's mind to be against Trump Now?
With trump being non deep state outsider/Non beltway crowd from the beginning.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Kbg » Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:39 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:58 am
shekels wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:40 am
Kbg wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:29 am
shekels wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:06 am
Ad Orientem wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:57 am
More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html
Most of the Rino's have been against Trump since the beginning,
So if asked, most Trump people don't give a tinker's damn about what these people think.

If you are a Biden person is it just justification on their choice.

Given that some Dems have endorsed Trump also.
So if you ask Biden people, Most likely they don't care for the Dems that are supporting Trump ?

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
I
Correction, most of the RINOs have been for Trump from the beginning.
So if that is true (which I disagree) What changed the RINO's mind to be against Trump Now?
With trump being non deep state outsider/Non beltway crowd from the beginning.
It's an interesting claim that RINOs have been for Trump from the beginning. I'd like to see evidence of that, because I've never seen any.
Trumpians are RINOs...yes I'm flipping the term because it is a more accurate use of the term.

Personal life, not socially conservative

Fiscal policies, not fiscally conservative

Power to the lowest level, not a constitutional literalist, as we all know he picks and chooses and is not driven by a conservative philosophy

Foreign policy, I can't say. I think everyone's foreign policy is in reset mode. However, generally I give him mixed marks. Some stuff I like a lot. Looking after the USA first, China and NATO...all very good in my opinion. Russia, Canada, Asia/Non-China, not so much. And I'm thoroughly convinced the Russians have something on him...it's the only way I can explain his actions.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by shekels » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:16 am

Kbg wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:39 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:58 am
shekels wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:40 am
Kbg wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:29 am
shekels wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:06 am
Ad Orientem wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:57 am
More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html
Most of the Rino's have been against Trump since the beginning,
So if asked, most Trump people don't give a tinker's damn about what these people think.

If you are a Biden person is it just justification on their choice.

Given that some Dems have endorsed Trump also.
So if you ask Biden people, Most likely they don't care for the Dems that are supporting Trump ?

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
I
Correction, most of the RINOs have been for Trump from the beginning.
So if that is true (which I disagree) What changed the RINO's mind to be against Trump Now?
With trump being non deep state outsider/Non beltway crowd from the beginning.
It's an interesting claim that RINOs have been for Trump from the beginning. I'd like to see evidence of that, because I've never seen any.
Trumpians are RINOs...yes I'm flipping the term because it is a more accurate use of the term.

Personal life, not socially conservative

Fiscal policies, not fiscally conservative

Power to the lowest level, not a constitutional literalist, as we all know he picks and chooses and is not driven by a conservative philosophy

Foreign policy, I can't say. I think everyone's foreign policy is in reset mode. However, generally I give him mixed marks. Some stuff I like a lot. Looking after the USA first, China and NATO...all very good in my opinion. Russia, Canada, Asia/Non-China, not so much. And I'm thoroughly convinced the Russians have something on him...it's the only way I can explain his actions.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:21 pm

Biden's mental deterioration continues. He's also out of breath in this clip for some reason.
If you're a white guy who can afford a lawyer, & you're charged with a crime, you're not charged with nine crimes. Nine, & given nine alternatives & say, 'if you plead to the lay, the, the least one, we're gonna put you on probation,' and, but, and you have no lawyer. Or you have a public defender who's getting paid half the federal prosecutor's getting paid. Public defenders are gonna get paid the same of federal public defenders, the same amount as prosecutors are gonna get paid. So you have representation.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:18 pm

Yes, Vinny, he said all of those things. Thanks!
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Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:24 pm

Inside Joe Biden’s history of falsely claiming he predicted 9/11 attacks


https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/inside-bi ... -719093899
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:21 pm

vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:24 pm
Inside Joe Biden’s history of falsely claiming he predicted 9/11 attacks


https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/inside-bi ... -719093899
In his defense, he probably didn't remember that he didn't actually predict them.
Of course, that's not a very reassuring excuse for someone who wants to have his hand on the nuclear button.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:27 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:21 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:24 pm
Inside Joe Biden’s history of falsely claiming he predicted 9/11 attacks


https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/inside-bi ... -719093899
In his defense, he probably didn't remember that he didn't actually predict them.
Of course, that's not a very reassuring excuse for someone who wants to have his hand on the nuclear button.
I actually feel sorry for Biden, he is being so used and likely thinks his handlers care about him. Dementia is a bitch. 😢
DNA has its own language (code), and language requires intelligence. There is no known mechanism by which matter can give birth to information, let alone language. It is unreasonable to believe the world could have happened by chance.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:02 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:27 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:21 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:24 pm
Inside Joe Biden’s history of falsely claiming he predicted 9/11 attacks


https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/inside-bi ... -719093899
In his defense, he probably didn't remember that he didn't actually predict them.
Of course, that's not a very reassuring excuse for someone who wants to have his hand on the nuclear button.
I actually feel sorry for Biden, he is being so used and likely thinks his handlers care about him. Dementia is a bitch. 😢
If he really doesn't realize he is incapable of being President, that is even scarier.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:03 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:02 pm
Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:27 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:21 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:24 pm
Inside Joe Biden’s history of falsely claiming he predicted 9/11 attacks


https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/inside-bi ... -719093899
In his defense, he probably didn't remember that he didn't actually predict them.
Of course, that's not a very reassuring excuse for someone who wants to have his hand on the nuclear button.
I actually feel sorry for Biden, he is being so used and likely thinks his handlers care about him. Dementia is a bitch. 😢
If he really doesn't realize he is incapable of being President, that is even scarier.
Among other things, the ages of both Biden and Bernie were why I'd never vote for either. They each have to have tremendous egos, putting their interests ahead of the country's interests, to think that at their advanced ages they 1) were the party's best candidate and 2) would be able to meet the demands of the position. I'd always tell Bernie supporters it's more than just running around the country and giving speeches whenever he felt like it. It's a real job with tremendous demands. They are both delusional to think that at their ages they should be taking on the position of president of the United States.

Vinny
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:38 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:24 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:03 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:02 pm
Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:27 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:21 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:24 pm
Inside Joe Biden’s history of falsely claiming he predicted 9/11 attacks


https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/inside-bi ... -719093899
In his defense, he probably didn't remember that he didn't actually predict them.
Of course, that's not a very reassuring excuse for someone who wants to have his hand on the nuclear button.
I actually feel sorry for Biden, he is being so used and likely thinks his handlers care about him. Dementia is a bitch. 😢
If he really doesn't realize he is incapable of being President, that is even scarier.
Among other things, the ages of both Biden and Bernie were why I'd never vote for either. They each have to have tremendous egos, putting their interests ahead of the country's interests, to think that at their advanced ages they 1) were the party's best candidate and 2) would be able to meet the demands of the position. I'd always tell Bernie supporters it's more than just running around the country and giving speeches whenever he felt like it. It's a real job with tremendous demands. They are both delusional to think that at their ages they should be taking on the position of president of the United States.

Vinny
I would also never vote for either but not for exactly the same reasons in the two cases.
In the case of Bernie it's not because of his age but because of his positions and track record.
In the case of Biden, it is mostly because besides being a mediocre politician at best, he is clearly too old to do the job.

Trump, on the other hand, clearly is physically and mentally capable of doing the job even though I believe he is the oldest person ever to be inaugurated for a first term.
He does appear to be a dynamo "for how much we are exposed to him". I have my severe doubts whether he, or anyone his age (and for the ages he will be over the next four years) can match the energy of your typical Fortune 500 CEO AND do all the work that they do.

Vinny
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:50 pm

vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:38 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:24 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:03 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:02 pm
Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:27 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:21 pm
vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:24 pm
Inside Joe Biden’s history of falsely claiming he predicted 9/11 attacks


https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/inside-bi ... -719093899
In his defense, he probably didn't remember that he didn't actually predict them.
Of course, that's not a very reassuring excuse for someone who wants to have his hand on the nuclear button.
I actually feel sorry for Biden, he is being so used and likely thinks his handlers care about him. Dementia is a bitch. 😢
If he really doesn't realize he is incapable of being President, that is even scarier.
Among other things, the ages of both Biden and Bernie were why I'd never vote for either. They each have to have tremendous egos, putting their interests ahead of the country's interests, to think that at their advanced ages they 1) were the party's best candidate and 2) would be able to meet the demands of the position. I'd always tell Bernie supporters it's more than just running around the country and giving speeches whenever he felt like it. It's a real job with tremendous demands. They are both delusional to think that at their ages they should be taking on the position of president of the United States.

Vinny
I would also never vote for either but not for exactly the same reasons in the two cases.
In the case of Bernie it's not because of his age but because of his positions and track record.
In the case of Biden, it is mostly because besides being a mediocre politician at best, he is clearly too old to do the job.

Trump, on the other hand, clearly is physically and mentally capable of doing the job even though I believe he is the oldest person ever to be inaugurated for a first term.
He does appear to be a dynamo "for how much we are exposed to him". I have my severe doubts whether he, or anyone his age (and for the ages he will be over the next four years) can match the energy of your typical Fortune 500 CEO AND do all the work that they do.

Vinny

After I wrote what I wrote above I tried to find something which would definitively give the ages for all the Fortune 500 CEO's. No success.

This was the best I could find.

Vinny

Who is the oldest CEO in the S&P 500?

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/05/who-is- ... p-500.html

"Interestingly enough, if you look at the 10 broad corporate sectors, the average CEO age is almost identical—in the mid-50s for all of them."

Two oldest S&P 500 CEOs
84 Warren Buffett (born 1930)
84 Rupert Murdoch (born 1931)
80 Robert Wilmers (born 1934)
(no others above 80)


Three youngest S&P 500 CEOs
40 Jeremy Thigpen (born 1975)
40 Marissa Mayer (born 1975)
31 Mark Zuckerberg (born 1984)
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Post by pp4me » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:49 am

I was always impressed with Jack Bogle whenever I saw him doing interviews in his later years. Physically he always looked like he was already well past his expiration date but his mind seemed to be as sharp as ever. Another Boglehead, Taylor Larimore who is now 96 still makes insightful posts over on the forum.

I'm 71 and I sure hope I'm doing better than Biden is six years from now. I know that he suffered two brain aneurysms which led to surgery in 1988 so maybe this has something to do with his rapid decline. My impression of him over the years was that he was always sort of a buffoon but at least he was an articulate one. He still does seem to rise to the occasion every once in a while although I can't tell if it's only because he's reading from a teleprompter or not. Chris Wallace asked one of his spokesmen if he was doing that during so-called question and answer sessions last night and he gave a non-answer to the question which I took as a yes.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by WiseOne » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:00 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:56 am
[Biden] is far enough gone and declining too fast for them to keep up the pretense much longer.
I moved this over from the Coronavirus discussion....

Tech, can you provide some data to back up the assertion that Biden is declining fast? I haven't noticed that. It is normal for an Alzheimer's case to fluctuate, so there will be times when he's doing ok and other times when he's struggling. But the overall trend downward takes years, not months. If he really is progressing that fast, it's likely he has something else, like a Parkinsons plus syndrome). That would even more concerning.
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:59 pm

WiseOne wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:00 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:56 am
[Biden] is far enough gone and declining too fast for them to keep up the pretense much longer.
I moved this over from the Coronavirus discussion....

Tech, can you provide some data to back up the assertion that Biden is declining fast? I haven't noticed that. It is normal for an Alzheimer's case to fluctuate, so there will be times when he's doing ok and other times when he's struggling. But the overall trend downward takes years, not months. If he really is progressing that fast, it's likely he has something else, like a Parkinsons plus syndrome). That would even more concerning.
I'll get you some clips later today, but all you have to do is look at one of his speeches in the last couple of weeks and contrast them even with his famous "CornPop" story from a year ago (https://twitter.com/i/status/1173196985085677569). Of course that story was pretty silly but at least he could recount it in mostly intelligible English.
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Post by glennds » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:50 pm

You would think a medical clearance would be a pre-requisite to being a presidential candidate. Or at the very least a binding disclosure. After all, the vast responsibility and consequences of the position are such that a medical issue ought not be withheld from the voting public. Especially one that would or could impair judgment.

I suppose someone may argue personal privacy, but I would say if personal privacy were a priority for someone, they should not enter the glass bowl of politics, at least at the national level. We all have a stake in the health of the elected president.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:55 pm

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Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:50 pm
You would think a medical clearance would be a pre-requisite to being a presidential candidate. Or at the very least a binding disclosure. After all, the vast responsibility and consequences of the position are such that a medical issue ought not be withheld from the voting public. Especially one that would or could impair judgment.

I suppose someone may argue personal privacy, but I would say if personal privacy were a priority for someone, they should not enter the glass bowl of politics, at least at the national level. We all have a stake in the health of the elected president.
That sounds reasonable at first thought but I think it would require a constitutional amendment.
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Post by pp4me » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:54 pm

Haven't heard from Bill O'Reilly in a long time but this clip popped up in my Youtube recommendations.

One of the best and most alarming examples of Biden's cognitive issues that I've seen .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3pe_yVNIJQ
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:36 pm

pp4me wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:54 pm
Haven't heard from Bill O'Reilly in a long time but this clip popped up in my Youtube recommendations.

One of the best and most alarming examples of Biden's cognitive issues that I've seen .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3pe_yVNIJQ
But is he making mean tweets? That seems to be more important to some people...
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Re: Biden/Harris Discussion

Post by glennds » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:30 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:55 pm
glennds wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:50 pm
You would think a medical clearance would be a pre-requisite to being a presidential candidate. Or at the very least a binding disclosure. After all, the vast responsibility and consequences of the position are such that a medical issue ought not be withheld from the voting public. Especially one that would or could impair judgment.

I suppose someone may argue personal privacy, but I would say if personal privacy were a priority for someone, they should not enter the glass bowl of politics, at least at the national level. We all have a stake in the health of the elected president.
That sounds reasonable at first thought but I think it would require a constitutional amendment.

Perhaps such an amendment will happen one day, but sadly it will probably take a case where the lack of such protection was exploited by a presidential candidate that did indeed have a medical issue or condition that they did not disclose. Imagine electing a president with a (known to them) neurological condition or terminal disease that was concealed and then became a genuine impairment.

On a different but related note, given than a constitutional amendment requires the ratification of all 50 states, in looking at the state of politics today, it's almost hard to imagine any constitutional amendment passing under any circumstances. But maybe I shouldn't be so cynical.
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