Biden/Harris Discussion

[WiseOne]

Thanks for starting this thread Cortopassi!

When I heard about the VP pick, I went hunting for info about Harris that wasn't a construct of the mainstream media. I think she may actually prove to be a moderate Democrat in the end. She clearly has an advanced case of TDS, but when it comes down to actions & policy, she doesn't look quite as radical as she's being portrayed.

She showed herself to be a "tough on crime" type during her time as a prosecutor and then Attorney General, and her platform when she was running for President included a public health insurance option rather than Medicare for All, and immigration reform but not outright open borders.

This is very important - much more so than any VP pick in history. Because, she's our next President if Biden wins. It's a little rich that she has bypassed the usual election process, having been turned down cold by voters in the primaries, but she didn't make those rules.

Also, she barely qualifies for one of the two main requirements of the post: African-American genes. Yeah she has some but she's equally of Indian (Asian) descent. And her father was a Stanford professor. Wonder why she didn't go to Stanford though....guessing she didn't get in.

[Xan]

Wonder why she didn't go to Stanford though....guessing she didn't get in.

That could be an advantage at this point. It means she didn't lie/cheat/steal in order to get in, as it seems many others did.

Are you saying she'd be president in 4 years, WiseOne, or are you thinking sooner than that?

[WiseOne]

Wonder why she didn't go to Stanford though....guessing she didn't get in.

That could be an advantage at this point. It means she didn't lie/cheat/steal in order to get in, as it seems many others did.

Are you saying she'd be president in 4 years, WiseOne, or are you thinking sooner than that?

Sooner. January 20, 2021 to be exact. Either Biden is going to bow out, or he will remain in the White House but Kamala Harris will be the one calling the shots. Just like Edith Wilson and Dick Cheney, with his man-sized safe that I assume he kept George W. Bush in during the brief periods when he wasn't cutting switchgrass at his ranch. Also, let's HOPE it's Kamala Harris and not someone else who is not currently on any ticket who will be in charge. The thought of that is rather chilling...it will mean that we no longer have anything resembling a democratic election process.

One good thing about keeping Biden in the White House is that Kamala Harris may feel duty bound to represent his positions, which may help temper her far-left tendencies.

[Kbg]

Since you are going to vote D I have to ask is it because you actually support the things they are campaigning on (green new deal, free healthcare for illegals, etc) or is it because you think that it's mostly all talk and they aren't going to get very far doing these things if they are even serious about it?

Assuming the R's don't lose the Senate, I think checks and balances will moderate things. Green doesn't bother me really. I think the economics of solar and wind are going to drive that way anyway...which is a market based solution. However, if anyone understands how leasing of federal lands for oil, gas, mining and cattle work (as a westerner I do), the government heavily subsidizes that stuff. Compare how land leasing is done to how cellular bandwidth was sold off. The latter was much more market oriented and more fair to US citizens who actually "own" federal stuff. I would be for no-subsidization, but like someone else posted let's cut to the chase. The parties are picking industries they like, who amazingly, contribute to those same parties. I have a very good friend who works for a very large oil company and they are pretty much planning on fossil fuels no longer being used for most land-based transportation and electrical power generation (except for NG).

If the R's lose the Senate, then that's a good reminder of what is always required in a democratic system...you have to ALWAYS appeal to a majority if you want to hold office. Far left/far right puritans have a hard time getting their brains around this simple political fact.

Free healthcare for illegals...not in favor. However, I think the US healthcare system is completely jacked up...so at some point in time I think the current system will implode. I would love to see some serious experimentation when it comes to HC. Let's have a state go completely market based, let's have another go government and see what happens to both cost and healthcare results and maybe some other states try different mixed systems.

[shekels]

Joe Biden said that his vice president needs to be capable of being president because he is so old.

"I can think of at least eight women, at least four or five people of color, that I think are totally qualified to be vice president of the United States," the former vice president, 77, said at a campaign event in Clinton, Iowa on Tuesday.

"But for me, it has to be demonstrated that whoever I pick is two things: One, is capable of [being] president because I'm an old guy," Biden said as some in the crowd laughed. "No, I'm serious. Look, I thank God I'm in great health. I work out. No, I'm serious. You know, I work out every morning. I'm in good shape — knock on wood, as my mother would say."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... an-old-guy

[Cortopassi]

As for Biden and Harris, neither have anywhere near the dislike factor that Hillary has. So I suspect they will win.

I disliked Hilary enough that I voted Trump. I would have otherwise voted for any other democrat. I'm in IL, so my vote for Trump did not matter, and my vote for Biden will not matter.

But I suspect there are enough people in swing states who swung Trump in 2016 because they did not like Hilary that will swing back making this a landslide for Biden.

We all have our opinions, that's mine.

As for why I will vote for them -- mostly about hope for the future. You may not believe in climate change, but I still believe pushing harder toward renewable energy is better than fracking, for example.

And if she does become president during Biden's first term, I'd be perfectly happy with a non-old-non-white person as president. Personally, for me it is more about the age. There really should be an upper limit, like there is a lower.

[glennds]

Also, she barely qualifies for one of the two main requirements of the post: African-American genes. Yeah she has some but she's equally of Indian (Asian) descent. And her father was a Stanford professor. Wonder why she didn't go to Stanford though....guessing she didn't get in.

In light of your comment, it's ironic that KH is an alumni of Howard University, the most notable black university in the US, established by Freedmen shortly after the Civil War.
Also as to barely qualifying as African-American, under Plessy v. Fergusen which set forth the SCOTUS basis for the Jim Crow period, Plessy was 1/8 "African blood" and still deemed non-white. KH is clearly more than that, so she would have been excluded from white only facilities in the Jim Crow period which probably makes her black enough to be more than barely.

Thinking it through logically, with two Phd parents one a Stanford grad and the other UC Berkeley .....guessing she made a conscious choice to go to Howard, possibly a values based decision because it would not have been convenient nor as lucrative as an Ivy League university.

[Kbg]

As for why I will vote for them -- mostly about hope for the future.

Pretty sure we are opposite sides of the political spectrum, but generally the party that can convince voters about the above will win and I am in complete agreement. R's used to be the party of optimism and in the 80s (I feel) pulled the country out of the 70s post-Nixon negative/hopeless cesspool the D's put us in. This issue is why I think Trump is going to probably get creamed this election and end up as a one term president.

I do believe, however, that from day 1 the lamestream press has been consistently and harshly negative of Trump way more than necessary. I also believe, that his big leadership test came, COVID, and he failed it...and most Americans believe he failed it.

There is one thing I do like...he has been 100% correct on taking a tough line on China. Long, long, long overdue...antagonizing our good international friends unnecessarily I'm not a fan of. Personally, I'm pretty convinced the Russians have something serious on him. His approach with them is just plain weird and no previous and I doubt any future president will treat them the way he has.

[pp4me]

Also, let's HOPE it's Kamala Harris and not someone else who is not currently on any ticket who will be in charge. The thought of that is rather chilling...it will mean that we no longer have anything resembling a democratic election process.

The fact that she was rejected by even the Dems and had to drop out after getting only 2 percent of the vote already doesn't speak well of the democratic process to me.

So who will be running the government if the Dems win. Well I'm pretty sure you'll be seeing some names like Clapper, Brennan, Holder, Yates, and Rice tossed around when it comes time for staffing. Probably not Comey since he already pissed both sides off.

And you can forget any prosecutions for the Russia hoax don't you think?

(And how about Hunter for Ambassador to China.)

[Cortopassi]

Yes, kbg.

It is not about me at all, or only slightly. It is about my girls, wanting them to be in an America that they feel proud of. That is helping people and nations. Pushing for freedom. Being supportive of diversity. Not dividing us into nasty groups and name calling...

I want more us, "together," not us and them. Does that make me a communist or socialist? Maybe in some people's eyes on this board yes.

I want to be able to travel back to Canada and Italy and see my relatives and hear them say (like they always have) you've got it so much better in the US, whereas right about now I imagine they are glad they don't live here, for many, many reasons.

[Cortopassi]

@Xan,

Just curiosity, either tech purposely ignores me or has me on ignore. So what does a person see who has someone on ignore? Any post done by the "offender" just not showing up? How about embedded quotes from the "offender" in other's posts?

Thanks.

[shekels]

@Xan,

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[shekels]

How many people have had the opportunity the live off the Government for this long ?

[vnatale]

Joe Biden said that his vice president needs to be capable of being president because he is so old.

"I can think of at least eight women, at least four or five people of color, that I think are totally qualified to be vice president of the United States," the former vice president, 77, said at a campaign event in Clinton, Iowa on Tuesday.

"But for me, it has to be demonstrated that whoever I pick is two things: One, is capable of [being] president because I'm an old guy," Biden said as some in the crowd laughed. "No, I'm serious. Look, I thank God I'm in great health. I work out. No, I'm serious. You know, I work out every morning. I'm in good shape — knock on wood, as my mother would say."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... an-old-guy

Does anyone else find it weird how often Biden refers to (mostly) what his father used to say? This may have been the first time I heard him refer to what his mother said.

He's 77. Born in the 1940s. His parents may well have been born around the turn of the last century! Does not he or anyone else on his campaign staff think that younger people are not going to relate to what people born about 120 years old used to say?

One of his biggest liabilities is his age. And, there he goes compounding it by bringing into his comments people even MORE ancient than him!

I've had my eye on him for 30 years now (always disliking him).

I'm sure most of you have not.

But pay attention to the way he'll repeat a sentence exactly the way kindergarten teachers teach their students.

There is just so much annoying about him and so much to dislike about him.


Vinny

[Cortopassi]

There is just so much annoying about him and so much to dislike about him.

How much dislike? To not vote, or to vote for Trump, or to hold your nose and vote for him anyway? Were you in NY or a state that doesn't matter anyway?

[vnatale]

Also, she barely qualifies for one of the two main requirements of the post: African-American genes. Yeah she has some but she's equally of Indian (Asian) descent. And her father was a Stanford professor. Wonder why she didn't go to Stanford though....guessing she didn't get in.

In light of your comment, it's ironic that KH is an alumni of Howard University, the most notable black university in the US, established by Freedmen shortly after the Civil War.
Also as to barely qualifying as African-American, under Plessy v. Fergusen which set forth the SCOTUS basis for the Jim Crow period, Plessy was 1/8 "African blood" and still deemed non-white. KH is clearly more than that, so she would have been excluded from white only facilities in the Jim Crow period which probably makes her black enough to be more than barely.

Thinking it through logically, with two Phd parents one a Stanford grad and the other UC Berkeley .....guessing she made a conscious choice to go to Howard, possibly a values based decision because it would not have been convenient nor as lucrative as an Ivy League university.

This is an email discussion between myself and a friend over the last 15 minutes or so:

Friend: Harris’s parents divorced when she was 7. She was raised by his mother and doesn’t speak about her father.

Me: You are saying that after the divorce she did not maintain a relationship with him?

Friend: That is what it looks like. There was no mention of him in her memoir for the time after the divorce.

Vinny

[vnatale]

How many people have had the opportunity the live off the Government for this long ?

Had never seen "forty" spelled the way it was in that tweet.

Quick Bing search brought me this: "Forty is the written form of the number 40. Fourty is a spelling error for Americans and Britons alike. You can remember to always use forty by noticing that forty contains the word for, and forty is correct for everyone. Fourty is never a correct spelling."

Vinny

[Libertarian666]

@Xan,

Just curiosity, either tech purposely ignores me or has me on ignore. So what does a person see who has someone on ignore? Any post done by the "offender" just not showing up? How about embedded quotes from the "offender" in other's posts?

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I have Cortopassi on ignore because he seems to be unwilling to discuss anything without his TDS getting in the way.

[Libertarian666]

Joe Biden said that his vice president needs to be capable of being president because he is so old.

"I can think of at least eight women, at least four or five people of color, that I think are totally qualified to be vice president of the United States," the former vice president, 77, said at a campaign event in Clinton, Iowa on Tuesday.

"But for me, it has to be demonstrated that whoever I pick is two things: One, is capable of [being] president because I'm an old guy," Biden said as some in the crowd laughed. "No, I'm serious. Look, I thank God I'm in great health. I work out. No, I'm serious. You know, I work out every morning. I'm in good shape — knock on wood, as my mother would say."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... an-old-guy

Does anyone else find it weird how often Biden refers to (mostly) what his father used to say? This may have been the first time I heard him refer to what his mother said.

He's 77. Born in the 1940s. His parents may well have been born around the turn of the last century! Does not he or anyone else on his campaign staff think that younger people are not going to relate to what people born about 120 years old used to say?

One of his biggest liabilities is his age. And, there he goes compounding it by bringing into his comments people even MORE ancient than him!

I've had my eye on him for 30 years now (always disliking him).

I'm sure most of you have not.

But pay attention to the way he'll repeat a sentence exactly the way kindergarten teachers teach their students.

There is just so much annoying about him and so much to dislike about him.

Vinny

I think he has competition in those respects from his VP candidate.

[jalanlong]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

[Libertarian666]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

Probably mostly the latter, although I'm sure that whatever they do won't be even-handed. They'll reward their friends and punish their enemies.

[stuper1]

I'm sorry, I find a lot of the discussion about the candidates here very juvenile, focusing on speech patterns and likability, etc. as if this was an election for junior high class president. Who cares if the guy or gal is likable? What are the policies they stand for? Are they for bigger government or smaller government?

[shekels]

This might be a little off-topic but if we are still going thru Covid into the new year (and I believe the powers that be are not going to let up on it) and we have a new administration take over, which way do you think it will go? Once they take office will Covid just sort of disappear from the news, the birds will start singing and the flowers blooming again as everything is right in America? Or will it go the other direction and the administration will do hardcore lockdowns and national facemask orders and keep it going?

This may give a hint.

Joe Biden Says Wear a Mask For Next 3 Months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hmaw35V4Nk

Be a Patriot..

[shekels]

How many people have had the opportunity the live off the Government for this long ?

Had never seen "forty" spelled the way it was in that tweet.

Quick Bing search brought me this: "Forty is the written form of the number 40. Fourty is a spelling error for Americans and Britons alike. You can remember to always use forty by noticing that forty contains the word for, and forty is correct for everyone. Fourty is never a correct spelling."

Vinny

Yea I think he meant to say Forty-Ate

[vnatale]

I'm sorry, I find a lot of the discussion about the candidates here very juvenile, focusing on speech patterns and likability, etc. as if this was an election for junior high class president. Who cares if the guy or gal is likable? What are the policies they stand for? Are they for bigger government or smaller government?

I'll take that comment directed at me. So, I'll add that Biden has no integrity.

Vinny