Biden/Harris Discussion

[Ad Orientem]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

[glennds]

sorry that Biden/Harris has morphed into a Trump discussion.

This happens because nobody can come up with any reason to support Biden/Harris other than their hatred for Trump.

I heard Warren Buffett comment that the concept of negative voting (i.e. voting for one candidate for not much more reason than the fact that you hate the opposing candidate), is something that he did not notice to be prevalent until recently. It got me wondering if it is known what % of people voted for Trump in 2016 merely because they hated Hillary. I know quite a few in that category.
And likewise how many will vote for Biden this time around simply because they hate Trump?

Or better yet, to prove or disprove Buffett's observation, how much has negative voting increased over time? A lot or not at all?
Maybe negative voting is the natural default if none of the options are compelling enough to earn a voter's enthusiastic vote?

This post has nothing to do with any particular candidate, more I'm just speculating about the phenomenon of negative voting as opposed to positive voting, so please don't feel the need to defend or bash Trump. Based on what chatter I hear, this ought to be an election pretty rich in negative voting both ways.

[Cortopassi]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

--Negative voting in 2016 is why I voted for Trump, and will almost exclusively be why I will vote for Biden this year.

A smattering of adjectives Trump has used against others, applied randomly to this list. I was amazed I could find enough to cover all of them. Well, I guess not really amazed. He will need to come up with more!

What I found most interesting this weekend -- the tapes recording his older sister. In any reasonable world, that would still be headline news. In this world, it barely registered. Pretty much, yeah, we all know that already.

I am sure this week will be a unifying experience for America. Or maybe not. Maybe just his base....

Texas Rep. Steve Bartlett, Loser
Pennsylvania Rep. Bill Clinger, Lowlife
Missouri Rep. Tom Coleman, Cheatin
Hawaii Rep. Charles Djou, Crazy
Oklahoma Rep. Mickey Edwards, Little
Maryland Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Lyin
Pennsylvania Rep. Jim Greenwood, Sleepy
South Carolina Rep. Bob Inglis, Creepy
Arizona Rep. Jim Kolbe, Nervous
California Rep. Steve Kuykendall, Pocahontas
Illinois Rep. Ray LaHood, Phony
Iowa Rep. Jim Leach, Lightweight
New York Rep. Susan Molinari, Flunky
Maryland Rep. Connie Morella, Crooked
Mississippi Rep. Mike Parker, Alfred E Neuman
New York Rep. Jack Quinn, Low Energy
Rhode Island Rep. Claudine Schneider, Deranged
Connecticut Rep. Christopher Shays, Dog
Vermont Rep. Peter Smith, Horseface
Texas Rep. Alan Steelman, Leaker
New York Rep. Jim Walsh, Slimeball
Virginia Rep. Bill Whitehurst, Sloppy
New Jersey Rep. Dick Zimmer, Dumb as a Rock

[shekels]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

--Negative voting in 2016 is why I voted for Trump, and will almost exclusively be why I will vote for Biden this year.

A smattering of adjectives Trump has used against others, applied randomly to this list. I was amazed I could find enough to cover all of them. Well, I guess not really amazed. He will need to come up with more!

What I found most interesting this weekend -- the tapes recording his older sister. In any reasonable world, that would still be headline news. In this world, it barely registered. Pretty much, yeah, we all know that already.

I am sure this week will be a unifying experience for America. Or maybe not. Maybe just his base....

Texas Rep. Steve Bartlett, Loser
Pennsylvania Rep. Bill Clinger, Lowlife
Missouri Rep. Tom Coleman, Cheatin
Hawaii Rep. Charles Djou, Crazy
Oklahoma Rep. Mickey Edwards, Little
Maryland Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Lyin
Pennsylvania Rep. Jim Greenwood, Sleepy
South Carolina Rep. Bob Inglis, Creepy
Arizona Rep. Jim Kolbe, Nervous
California Rep. Steve Kuykendall, Pocahontas
Illinois Rep. Ray LaHood, Phony
Iowa Rep. Jim Leach, Lightweight
New York Rep. Susan Molinari, Flunky
Maryland Rep. Connie Morella, Crooked
Mississippi Rep. Mike Parker, Alfred E Neuman
New York Rep. Jack Quinn, Low Energy
Rhode Island Rep. Claudine Schneider, Deranged
Connecticut Rep. Christopher Shays, Dog
Vermont Rep. Peter Smith, Horseface
Texas Rep. Alan Steelman, Leaker
New York Rep. Jim Walsh, Slimeball
Virginia Rep. Bill Whitehurst, Sloppy
New Jersey Rep. Dick Zimmer, Dumb as a Rock

Given the state of things today, the names he calls These A$$Ole look pretty tame to me.

[shekels]

Well Folks,
Trump Campaign Announces President Trump’s 2nd Term Agenda:

Just size up Trump's agenda and Biden's agenda.

Who do you Believe?
I wish you all well.





https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trum ... ng-for-you

[Cortopassi]

Well Folks,
Trump Campaign Announces President Trump’s 2nd Term Agenda:

Just size up Trump's agenda and Biden's agenda.

Who do you Believe?
I wish you all well.





https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trum ... ng-for-you

Looks like a good list for someone running for president the first term... oops, he's already been there 4 years. With the first two years having both houses of congress...

Trump will not get the house back and may lose the senate. Good luck with Trump getting anything done the next four years.

I'm surprised he did not mention the Supreme Court?

[vnatale]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

Fair to say this is unprecedented for either side?

Vinny

[Xan]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

Fair to say this is unprecedented for either side?

Vinny

Recently, yes, but I would think it would have to be the case in any historical realigning election.

[glennds]

Trump will not get the house back and may lose the senate. Good luck with Trump getting anything done the next four years.

Two words:
Executive. Orders.

[Ad Orientem]

Trump will not get the house back and may lose the senate. Good luck with Trump getting anything done the next four years.

Two words:
Executive. Orders.

One word: Dictatorship.

[Ad Orientem]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

Fair to say this is unprecedented for either side?

Vinny

The only other time I am aware of where there was a significant defection by party regulars in a presidential election was 1896. Many Democrats, including President Cleveland, refused to back the party's nominee William J. Bryan over his support for free silver and debt repudiation. But this is different. These are not policy disagreements. Never in our history have so many prominent men and women from both sides of the aisle pronounced a sitting president to be morally, intellectually and temperamentally unfit for office.

[Ad Orientem]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

Fair to say this is unprecedented for either side?

Vinny

The only other time I am aware of where there was a significant defection by party regulars in a presidential election was 1896. Many Democrats, including President Cleveland, refused to back the party's nominee William J. Bryan over his support for free silver and debt repudiation. But this is different. These are not policy disagreements. Never in our history have so prominent men and women from both sides of the aisle pronounced a sitting president to be morally, intellectually and temperamentally unfit for office.

Never before in history has the corrupt Washington establishment been so terrified of one man.

And not since the 1930s have so many otherwise rational people fallen under the spell of a demagogue and carnival barker. Trump is a con artist and the GOP has become a political cult made of kooks, cranks and conspiracy theorists, with more than a smattering of outright bigots.

[Ad Orientem]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

Fair to say this is unprecedented for either side?

Vinny

The only other time I am aware of where there was a significant defection by party regulars in a presidential election was 1896. Many Democrats, including President Cleveland, refused to back the party's nominee William J. Bryan over his support for free silver and debt repudiation. But this is different. These are not policy disagreements. Never in our history have so prominent men and women from both sides of the aisle pronounced a sitting president to be morally, intellectually and temperamentally unfit for office.

Never before in history has the corrupt Washington establishment been so terrified of one man.

And not since the 1930s have so many otherwise rational people fallen under the spell of a demagogue and carnival barker. Trump is a con artist and the GOP has become a political cult made of kooks, cranks and conspiracy theorists, with more than a smattering of outright bigots.

Of course you have no evidence for any of those attacks, just anger at half the voting public.

With any luck, you'll have another 4 years to rage against that same half of the voting public, when your demented standard-bearer goes down in flames.

Evidence...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_ ... nald_Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ald_Trump

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sit ... lume2.pdf

https://www.axios.com/trump-associates- ... dcc9.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

[shekels]

More than two dozen former Republican lawmakers endorse Joe Biden on first day of GOP convention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics ... index.html

Most of the Rino's have been against Trump since the beginning,
So if asked, most Trump people don't give a tinker's damn about what these people think.

If you are a Biden person is it just justification on their choice.

Given that some Dems have endorsed Trump also.
So if you ask Biden people, Most likely they don't care for the Dems that are supporting Trump ?

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
I

[glennds]

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
I

Which, if any current news show do you consider to be news and not opinion?

[shekels]

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
I

Which, if any current news show do you consider to be news and not opinion?

I don't watch many news shows.
Mostly from a wide variety of sources from the internet

https://rantingly.com/
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/
to name a few.

Note, there maybe some bias but if you search enough you can make up your own mind.

[glennds]

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
I

Which, if any current news show do you consider to be news and not opinion?

I don't watch many news shows.
Mostly from a wide variety of sources from the internet

https://rantingly.com/
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/
to name a few.

Note, there maybe some bias but if you search enough you can make up your own mind.

Seriously? Both of these sites were highly pro-Trump link collections. Many of them were to Twitter threads, memes, and other social media posts. Is this your primary source of information?

I wasn't asking sarcastically. I too think CNN is too opinion driven, so I was hoping for a lead to a balanced news outlet. I have found PBS News Hour to be pretty good but I'm still searching.

[shekels]

P.s. I rate CNN is an opinion show and not news.
I

Which, if any current news show do you consider to be news and not opinion?

I don't watch many news shows.
Mostly from a wide variety of sources from the internet

https://rantingly.com/
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/
to name a few.

Note, there maybe some bias but if you search enough you can make up your own mind.

Seriously? Both of these sites were highly pro-Trump link collections. Many of them were to Twitter threads, memes, and other social media posts. Is this your primary source of information?

I wasn't asking sarcastically. I too think CNN is too opinion driven, so I was hoping for a lead to a balanced news outlet. I have found PBS News Hour to be pretty good but I'm still searching.

The few times I have seen One America news it has been alright, Most of the News outlets are controlled I think by 6 companies.
The only option I have is to get a wide variety of information and try to decipher it to form my opinion.
Yes,even from Tweeter, sometimes you get to the base of the info, and not 3rd hand info.
It is not as easy as just following a Right leaning or Left leaning source and believe what they say.
It gets easier to weed out BS with different sources.

I do like to read the comments section also. On some sites you can get decent opinions/views.

[shekels]

The few times I have seen One America news it has been alright, Most of the News outlets are controlled I think by 6 companies.
The only option I have is to get a wide variety of information and try to decipher it to form my opinion.
Yes,even from Tweeter, sometimes you get to the base of the info, and not 3rd hand info.
It is not as easy as just following a Right leaning or Left leaning source and believe what they say.
It gets easier to weed out BS with different sources.

I do like to read the comments section also. On some sites you can get decent opinions/views.

[WiseOne]

I haven't found any news source that I would consider completely unbiased, but Reason Magazine is pretty close.

CNN and the Washington Post are really the bottom of the barrel - the phrase "too opinion-driven" is way too kind. Virtually every headline article is pure opinion, devoid of hard information, and I've caught them simply making stuff up several times. It's like they've long ago given up any pretense of journalism. If any of you are relying on them for news....definitely go find some other sources NOW.

[Cortopassi]

I haven't found any news source that I would consider completely unbiased, but Reason Magazine is pretty close.

Thanks for that one. I went through all the headlines without needing to roll my eyes for either too left or too right stories!

[stuper1]

I just ran across a news website called thehill.com. At first glance it appears reasonably neutral. Does anyone here know anything about its level and direction of bias?

[Cortopassi]

I just ran across a news website called thehill.com. At first glance it appears reasonably neutral. Does anyone here know anything about its level and direction of bias?

Shown as centrist

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

[Libertarian666]

I just ran across a news website called thehill.com. At first glance it appears reasonably neutral. Does anyone here know anything about its level and direction of bias?

They have TDS, about stage 2.
Certainly not neutral.

[stuper1]

Yeah, I see several others listed as centrist that are anything but.

I know several British people who consider the BBC to be anything but neutral anymore. Just another mouthpiece for the globalist big business agenda.