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Libertarian666 wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:55 pm
glennds wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:50 pm You would think a medical clearance would be a pre-requisite to being a presidential candidate. Or at the very least a binding disclosure. After all, the vast responsibility and consequences of the position are such that a medical issue ought not be withheld from the voting public. Especially one that would or could impair judgment.

I suppose someone may argue personal privacy, but I would say if personal privacy were a priority for someone, they should not enter the glass bowl of politics, at least at the national level. We all have a stake in the health of the elected president.
That sounds reasonable at first thought but I think it would require a constitutional amendment.

Perhaps such an amendment will happen one day, but sadly it will probably take a case where the lack of such protection was exploited by a presidential candidate that did indeed have a medical issue or condition that they did not disclose. Imagine electing a president with a (known to them) neurological condition or terminal disease that was concealed and then became a genuine impairment.

On a different but related note, given than a constitutional amendment requires the ratification of all 50 states, in looking at the state of politics today, it's almost hard to imagine any constitutional amendment passing under any circumstances. But maybe I shouldn't be so cynical.
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glennds wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:30 pm ...
Imagine electing a president with a (known to them) neurological condition or terminal disease that was concealed and then became a genuine impairment.
Kennedy, Roosevelt, Wilson, Eisenhower, Reagan...
Plus, what medications are the candidates on? Do they drink in the evening? Other drugs? Over the counter and prescription. Even something as seemingly innocuous as acetaminophen affects risk assessment and judgement.
glennds wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:30 pm On a different but related note, given than a constitutional amendment requires the ratification of all 50 states, in looking at the state of politics today, it's almost hard to imagine any constitutional amendment passing under any circumstances. But maybe I shouldn't be so cynical.
requires 2/3rds. 38 states.
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Mark Leavy wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:44 pm

requires 2/3rds. 38 states.
Correction, I looked it up.
2/3rds majority of House and Senate, ratification of 3/4ths of states, but yes 38 is the correct number (3/4ths of 50 states).
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Very good analysis and analogy.
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Hah, what timing. I was just thinking of how the BLM/Antifa people throw molotov cocktails and other weapons while hiding behind unarmed mobs (or the "wall of moms"), like they do in the Middle East. Then they try to spin propaganda about how the evil Israelis/policemen are beating "innocent people" when they go after them.
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This article alleges that Biden is taking an anti-Alzheimer medication that has a side-effect of urinary incontinence. It says he has good days and bad days which you would expect from anyone suffering from the disease and that's why you see him only coming out on "good days". The "good days" however, if you can believe the article based on an anonymous source, carries with it the risk that he will wet himself. It says staffers are even trying to figure which adult diaper works best.

I'm ready to write this off the same way I do the story about Trump disrespecting soldiers based on "anonymous sources" but I really am looking forward to the debates to see if it either turns out not to be one of his "good days" or else they are going to insist on bathroom breaks.

The way the Biden team is quickly ending encounters with the press with no questions being asked only lends credence to this report. Is it because they don't want him to say something stupid or because he is ready to pee his pants?

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... entia.html
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pp4me wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:03 pm This article alleges that Biden is taking an anti-Alzheimer medication that has a side-effect of urinary incontinence. It says he has good days and bad days which you would expect from anyone suffering from the disease and that's why you see him only coming out on "good days". The "good days" however, if you can believe the article based on an anonymous source, carries with it the risk that he will wet himself. It says staffers are even trying to figure which adult diaper works best.

I'm ready to write this off the same way I do the story about Trump disrespecting soldiers based on "anonymous sources" but I really am looking forward to the debates to see if it either turns out not to be one of his "good days" or else they are going to insist on bathroom breaks.

The way the Biden team is quickly ending encounters with the press with no questions being asked only lends credence to this report. Is it because they don't want him to say something stupid or because he is ready to pee his pants?

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... entia.html
I saw that on Reddit originally (not the best source), not sure where American Thinker got it.

But as the new journalistic standards dictate, it "rings true" so I guess that's good enough! ;)
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flyingpylon wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:19 pm
I saw that on Reddit originally (not the best source), not sure where American Thinker got it.

But as the new journalistic standards dictate, it "rings true" so I guess that's good enough! ;)
It started as an anonymous 4chan post. Also not terribly credible. 4chan is a mix of near genius level autistics and talented posers. So you never know whether you're getting solid gold or high quality LARP'ing.
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shekels wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:17 am https://youtu.be/GVbE8IowIcM

C'Mon Man...
He did the same thing: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... _does.html

I guess they're not even trying to pretend he is running for President anymore?
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Libertarian666 wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:34 am
shekels wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:17 am https://youtu.be/GVbE8IowIcM

C'Mon Man...
He did the same thing: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... _does.html

I guess they're not even trying to pretend he is running for President anymore?
We have to be vewy quiet,
The Biden Supporters have not caught on to the bait and switch.
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^^^ Thats believable.
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How does one measure enthusiasm?
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glennds wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:05 am
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How does one measure enthusiasm?
Being registered to vote AND being likely to vote.

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The elder abuse of Biden continues.

"Four more years of George, uh... George, uh..."
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Hahaha. Biden ain't the only one....so who has dementia/senior moments?

Two old men.

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A new video clip has surfaced showing yet more elder abuse of Biden. In a visit to Chester, PA yesterday, Biden struggled to answer a question in front of a group of reporters, losing his train of thought and verbally wandering off, at which point his campaign staff appeared to intervene and quickly herd the reporters away from Biden:
During an interaction with the press, Biden seemed to struggle to get the words out of his mouth and put sentences together while responding to a reporter's question.

"Here's the deal, one of the things that's important...is that uh...keep in mind although they're going to vote on...uh...the ballot..I think today..," he is heard saying in the video before Biden campaign staff members herd reporters away from the former Vice President.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/joe-bidens-campa ... ideo-52847
I used to chuckle at such video clips, but this one just made me sad. What they're doing to Biden is wrong and shameful. They need to let the poor guy resign.
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Tortoise wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:01 pm A new video clip has surfaced showing yet more elder abuse of Biden. In a visit to Chester, PA yesterday, Biden struggled to answer a question in front of a group of reporters, losing his train of thought and verbally wandering off, at which point his campaign staff appeared to intervene and quickly herd the reporters away from Biden:
During an interaction with the press, Biden seemed to struggle to get the words out of his mouth and put sentences together while responding to a reporter's question.

"Here's the deal, one of the things that's important...is that uh...keep in mind although they're going to vote on...uh...the ballot..I think today..," he is heard saying in the video before Biden campaign staff members herd reporters away from the former Vice President.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/joe-bidens-campa ... ideo-52847
I used to chuckle at such video clips, but this one just made me sad. What they're doing to Biden is wrong and shameful. They need to let the poor guy resign.
But how was he able to successfully get through the one and one-half hour debate last week with none of this? I listened to it two or three times and did not detect any of them. Or, any different from the Joe Biden I've been listening to for decades. Constantly repeating sentences and using his pet phrases and pet stories.

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vnatale wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:07 pm But how was he able to successfully get through the one and one-half hour debate last week with none of this? I listened to it two or three times and did not detect any of them. Or, any different from the Joe Biden I've been listening to for decades. Constantly repeating sentences and using his pet phrases and pet stories.
My understanding is that with senile dementia, there is often significant daily variation in mental clarity and mood. Some days are great, and the person seems pretty normal, and other days are terrible.

When my grandmother had senile dementia in her early 80s, some days she seemed fine and very "with it", and other days she forgot all of our names and seemed agitated.
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Tortoise wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:11 pm
vnatale wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:07 pm But how was he able to successfully get through the one and one-half hour debate last week with none of this? I listened to it two or three times and did not detect any of them. Or, any different from the Joe Biden I've been listening to for decades. Constantly repeating sentences and using his pet phrases and pet stories.
My understanding is that with senile dementia, there is often significant daily variation in mental clarity and mood. Some days are great, and the person seems pretty normal, and other days are terrible.

When my grandmother had senile dementia in her early 80s, some days she seemed fine and very "with it", and other days she forgot all of our names and seemed agitated.
That could be an explanation.

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But, still, even if, I cannot vote for Trump.

I'd rather take my chances with a quick Biden exit and a 50 something Harris taking over than Trump.

I watched the 60 minutes Trump interview. They had him pretty close up when he was talking. I can understand why even grown men don't question him directly. He has this look and feel that makes me uncomfortable, even over the TV.

I saw Stahl just get exasperated at not getting legitimate answers. I couldn't do that.

And he continues with the woe is me line, right from the start:
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Lesley Stahl: Are you ready for some tough questions?
President Donald Trump: You're gonna be fair.
Lesley Stahl: Are you g--
President Donald Trump: Just be-
Lesley Stahl: I'm gonna be fair.
President Donald Trump: Just be fair.
Lesley Stahl: But you're okay with some tough questions?
President Donald Trump: No, I'm not. I mean--
Lesley Stahl: (LAUGH) You're not okay with tough questions?
President Donald Trump: I want them to be fair. You-- you don't ask Biden tough questions.
President Donald Trump: Okay. Are you ready--
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president- ... ley-stahl/

Read the transcript or watch it if you didn't. It was like the first debate.
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MangoMan wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:16 pm
Cortopassi wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:35 pm
President Donald Trump: I want them to be fair. You-- you don't ask Biden tough questions.
In his defense, he's correct. All of the questions to Trump already assume he's wrong/corrupt/Hitler. Meanwhile, the questions to Biden are softballs.
Agreed. I watched a good chunk of the unedited 60 Minutes interview that Trump shared online. It was quite obnoxious how the interviewer constantly interrupted him with contradictions and accusations. Trump could barely get one or two sentences out without getting combatively interrupted. Tough questions are fine, but there's a far more tactful way to ask them (e.g., see how Joe Rogan usually does it).

The fact that Trump has endured that kind of consistent abuse from the media for over four years and still hasn't thrown in the towel is a testament to his perseverance. Love or hate his personality, the guy manages to succeed even when his chips are down and the game is rigged against him.
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Tortoise wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:22 pm game is rigged against him.
He's built a lot of that rigging with his attitude and attacks, which is the main reason I did not vote for him this time.

I am not the only person in the US affected by how he operates and have changed their mind from 2016.
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