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The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It | Opinion

Post by technovelist » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:59 am

by Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD , Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating- ... on-1519535

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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:04 am

Spoiler alert: hydroxychloroquine. But you all probably already knew that because technovelist is OP.
There's this very disturbing set of studies where about half the articles printed in Science and Nature magazines, the two leading publications, involved experiments that could not be repeated by anybody.
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Post by technovelist » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:27 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
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Spoiler alert: hydroxychloroquine. But you all probably already knew that because technovelist is OP.
Not necessarily. I'd be happy to post about ANYTHING that has significant evidence of being useful.
It just so happens that is the best shot at the moment.
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Post by Kbg » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:19 pm

Does anyone have a non-biased view/summary of the studies thus far conducted. I tried to educate myself on hydroxychloroquine and just couldn't come to a conclusion. Like everything with COVID the majority of reviews seemed to be from folks with a clear bias to see the evidence one way or another. It seemed to me that several US and European studies were mixed (some for, some against), most not very big in size but countered by "successful results in the field" that I've seen interpreted many ways.

It did look like to me the UK did a couple of big ones and hydroxychloroquine did not farewell...but then there was a lot of discussion about hydroxychloroquine alone and a cocktail of it and a couple of other drugs (zinc?).

I would love to be able to read a dispassionate summary of what has been determined and what is really still unknown/not certain.
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Post by Kbg » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:23 pm

Hmmm...this seemed dispassionate. https://www.contagionlive.com/news/fda- ... hloroquine

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Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:09 am

Coming from a stance of mostly ignorance, I wouldn't be surprised if HCQ turns out to really help some people beat it and not do anything for others.
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Post by flyingpylon » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:48 am

The cocktail of HCQ, Azithromycin or Doxycycline, and Zinc when used at the first sign of symptoms seems to be the winning solution. Anything outside of that recipe or administered at later points is irrelevant. So you have to wonder why people who flatly state "HCQ doesn't work" offer up examples that don't fit.

Around here it's like saying "Gold sucks" (or stocks suck, or bonds suck, or cash sucks) instead of considering the full mix of assets working together.

I'm not a doctor or a scientist (or a politician!) and I'm not claiming that the HCQ cocktail works, just that the logic of its detractors seems faulty.
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Post by Cortopassi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:20 pm

HCQ is a tough one to figure out.

If it's been used for decades for malaria, are they saying all those people are at risk of heart issues? Or is the dose for Covid a lot higher, or longer?

Not sure I understand this and I hate to use the word or go down the path of conspiracy, just because it is too easy and doesn't make sense, and to me, would not jive with the morality of what I assume are mostly good and decent doctors.

I find it hard to believe there is a conspiracy to downplay HCQ just because Trump promotes it. But I see how people can go for that stance.
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Post by Kbg » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:49 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:20 pm
I find it hard to believe there is a conspiracy to downplay HCQ just because Trump promotes it. But I see how people can go for that stance.
Yeah, me too. The politicization of COVID by all sides really ticks me off when I think about it. It just shouldn't be this way.
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Post by flyingpylon » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:57 pm

Good video on this topic by Scott Adams framing the situation as a risk management issue where CNN potentially sacrifices thousands of lives to "get Trump".

Episode 1076 Scott Adams: Trump is Medically Correct and CNN Might Be Killing Tens-of-Thousands
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