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Re: Right wing group think

Post by technovelist » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:24 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:10 pm
Is it okay to just be on the side of billionaire moguls with supermodel wives that happen to be the leader of the free world?
That sounds kinda cool. I would take two out of three.
Yes, that is pretty cool. I'm sure if Ayn Rand were alive today, she would be envious of reality.
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by ahhrunforthehills » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am

doodle wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:32 pm
This forum has been overrun by right wing group think. 8-10 years ago this was an incredible forum with an amazing diversity of outlooks, opinions, and intelligent discussion. I learned a lot from participating in discussions here over the years and had my mind changed and perspectives broadened on many subjects...I'm afraid those days have come and gone. R.I.P. gyroscopicnvesting...you had a good run.
+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by shekels » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:32 am

ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am


+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
Very Closed minded of them to disagree right?

https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/07/ ... %EF%BB%BF/


July 23, 2020
Lorena González, President and Lisa Herbold, Public Safety Chair
Seattle City Council, City Hall
600 Fourth Ave, 2nd Floor
Seattle, WA 98104


Re: City Council Ordinance 119805 – Crowd Control Tools

Dear President González, Chairwoman Herbold, and Seattle City Council Members:


SPD has confirmed with the City Attorney’s Office that the City Council ordinance banning the use of less lethal tools – including pepper spray – commonly used to disperse crowds that have turned violent, will go into effect this weekend as written.

I am sending this notification for the purpose of ensuring I have done my due diligence of informing Council of the foreseeable impact of this ordinance on upcoming events.

It is a fact that there are groups and individuals who are intent on destruction in our City. Yes, we also have seen weeks of peaceful demonstrations, but two recent events (Sunday, July 19th and Wednesday, July 22nd) have included wide-scale property destruction and attacks on officers, injuring more than a dozen, some significantly.

This weekend we know that several events are planned across the city that will foreseeably involve many of the same violent actors from recent days. There is no reason not to assume we will continue to experience property destruction, arson, looting, and attempts to injure additional officers throughout the weekend and beyond.

With this Council ordinance, we hear loudly and clearly that the use of these less-lethal tools by SPD officers to disperse crowds that have turned violent have been completely banned by City Council.

Under these circumstances, as created by Council, we cannot manage demonstrations as we have in the past. If I am not allowed to lawfully equip officers with the tools they have been trained to use to protect the community and themselves, it would be reckless to have them confront this level of violence under the current legal restrictions imposed by Council.


Some have asked why officers are not arresting those engaging in criminal behavior, as officers do every day, and as they have in recent protests. If it is safe to do so, and even when it places their lives in danger, our officers always directly address criminal behavior. They do this, however, when they know they have the tools shown to allow the safe use of their policing powers. This Council ordinance denies them access to these tools that have been an essential part of their court-approved tactics.

We have clear, court-mandated procedures for arresting individuals, grounded in the principles of deescalation. SPD’s de-escalation principles are premised on the expectation, consistent with policy and best practices, that officers have the full array of approved tools. In large crowds, there is no safe way for officers to effect arrests when their colleagues do not have the tools necessary to protect them.

As City Council’s legislation goes into effect, it will create even more dangerous circumstances for our officers to intervene using what they have left – riot shields and riot batons.

For these reasons, SPD will have an adjusted deployment in response to any demonstrations this weekend. The Council legislation gives officers no ability to safely intercede to preserve property in the midst of a large, violent crowd. Allowing this behavior deeply troubles me, but I am duty-bound to follow the Council legislation once it is in effect. If the Council is prepared to suggest a different response or interpretation of the legislation, I stand ready to receive it.

Additionally, while the Ordinance by title suggests a limitation to crowd management purposes, the language of the Ordinance, in its blanket prohibition on the procurement and ownership of such tools, effectively eliminates these tools as available less-lethal options across the board. The bill clearly bans OC spray at any rally, demonstration or other event, despite if it turns violent.

Further, while we recognize a limited exception for the targeted use of OC spray, the exception does not realistically allow for deployment in such a manner that ensures the aerosol does not disperse onto anyone other than the intended subject. For these reasons, officers who typically deploy with OC as one of their standard less-lethal options will no longer be carrying this tool.

We continue to assess the impact of the prohibition on the procurement, ownership, and use of these tools on SWAT operations.

I believe Council can lead on de-escalation at each of these events through their voice and presence encouraging peaceful demonstrations. It remains my deep hope that once OPA and the OIG have had the opportunity to complete the analysis tasked to them, Council will engage productively with SPD and
its accountability partners to forge a meaningful path forward that provides for public safety in these unprecedented times.

Sincerely,


Carmen Best

Chief of Police
Seattle Police Department

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Tammy Morales, Councilmember, District 2
Kshama Sawant, Councilmember, District 3
Alex Pedersen, Councilmember, District 4
Debora Juarez, Councilmember, District 5
Dan Strauss, Councilmember, District 6
Andrew Lewis, Councilmember, District 7
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by ahhrunforthehills » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:11 am

shekels wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:32 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am


+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
Very Closed minded of them to disagree right?
Perfect response to backup my point.

Considering that I have been a registered libertarian for about 25 years, have never voted for a democrat in my life, and basically already discovered the PP allocations before I ever even heard of the PP, Harry Browne, or this forum I think you might find that I rarely disagree with the overall views on this forum.

You quickly made the assumption that my view stems from petty disagreements. There are practically none. I was referring to the quality of posts and responses.

Regardless, I was mainly referring to the INVESTING part of this forum as I have very little interest in the “Other Discussions” section outside of an investing capacity.

It certainly seems like the “Other Discussion” section is the primary interest of this entire site now and is reflected in the type of posts I see sitewide.

Just my opinion to let the OP know that he is not alone in his observations.
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by Cortopassi » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:18 pm

ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:11 am
shekels wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:32 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am


+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
Very Closed minded of them to disagree right?
Perfect response to backup my point.

Considering that I have been a registered libertarian for about 25 years, have never voted for a democrat in my life, and basically already discovered the PP allocations before I ever even heard of the PP, Harry Browne, or this forum I think you might find that I rarely disagree with the overall views on this forum.

You quickly made the assumption that my view stems from petty disagreements. There are practically none. I was referring to the quality of posts and responses.

Regardless, I was mainly referring to the INVESTING part of this forum as I have very little interest in the “Other Discussions” section outside of an investing capacity.

It certainly seems like the “Other Discussion” section is the primary interest of this entire site now and is reflected in the type of posts I see sitewide.

Just my opinion to let the OP know that he is not alone in his observations.
When the pp is doing its job, as it is right now, the other discussions section does heat up, esp. so with the virus and the election currently going on.

And there is no doubt this forum, regardless of the reason, is populated by older, very much right leaning individuals.
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by vnatale » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:30 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:18 pm
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:11 am
shekels wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:32 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am


+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
Very Closed minded of them to disagree right?
Perfect response to backup my point.

Considering that I have been a registered libertarian for about 25 years, have never voted for a democrat in my life, and basically already discovered the PP allocations before I ever even heard of the PP, Harry Browne, or this forum I think you might find that I rarely disagree with the overall views on this forum.

You quickly made the assumption that my view stems from petty disagreements. There are practically none. I was referring to the quality of posts and responses.

Regardless, I was mainly referring to the INVESTING part of this forum as I have very little interest in the “Other Discussions” section outside of an investing capacity.

It certainly seems like the “Other Discussion” section is the primary interest of this entire site now and is reflected in the type of posts I see sitewide.

Just my opinion to let the OP know that he is not alone in his observations.
When the pp is doing its job, as it is right now, the other discussions section does heat up, esp. so with the virus and the election currently going on.

And there is no doubt this forum, regardless of the reason, is populated by older, very much right leaning individuals.
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by pp4me » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:32 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:18 pm
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:11 am
shekels wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:32 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am


+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
Very Closed minded of them to disagree right?
Perfect response to backup my point.

Considering that I have been a registered libertarian for about 25 years, have never voted for a democrat in my life, and basically already discovered the PP allocations before I ever even heard of the PP, Harry Browne, or this forum I think you might find that I rarely disagree with the overall views on this forum.

You quickly made the assumption that my view stems from petty disagreements. There are practically none. I was referring to the quality of posts and responses.

Regardless, I was mainly referring to the INVESTING part of this forum as I have very little interest in the “Other Discussions” section outside of an investing capacity.

It certainly seems like the “Other Discussion” section is the primary interest of this entire site now and is reflected in the type of posts I see sitewide.

Just my opinion to let the OP know that he is not alone in his observations.
When the pp is doing its job, as it is right now, the other discussions section does heat up, esp. so with the virus and the election currently going on.

And there is no doubt this forum, regardless of the reason, is populated by older, very much right leaning individuals.
I think this forum is an eclectic mix of libertarians, liberals, and conservatives with opinions all over the place. When somebody tries to pigeon hole me as "right wing" I think it says more about their own view of the world than mine.
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by shekels » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:08 pm

ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:11 am
shekels wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:32 am
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am


+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
Very Closed minded of them to disagree right?
Perfect response to backup my point.

Considering that I have been a registered libertarian for about 25 years, have never voted for a democrat in my life, and basically already discovered the PP allocations before I ever even heard of the PP, Harry Browne, or this forum I think you might find that I rarely disagree with the overall views on this forum.

You quickly made the assumption that my view stems from petty disagreements. There are practically none. I was referring to the quality of posts and responses.

Regardless, I was mainly referring to the INVESTING part of this forum as I have very little interest in the “Other Discussions” section outside of an investing capacity.

It certainly seems like the “Other Discussion” section is the primary interest of this entire site now and is reflected in the type of posts I see sitewide.

Just my opinion to let the OP know that he is not alone in his observations.
Did I mention who were the Closed minded Group in the letter?

Other Discussion seems to be just that. With a wide spectrum of topics.
Maybe the Other Discussion Section was just for discussing Finance/Investment Ideas and not Political Ideas.
It Looks to me that there are other Sections for posting specific Investing items, but why not post Investment ideas in this section if suits you.
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by Smith1776 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:17 pm

ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:46 am

+1

Let me know if you find a better investing forum Doodle. I am certainly not a liberal democrat by any means, but I have to admit that I agree 100% with everything you said.

The best contributors have pretty much all left over the past decade. The really good contributors barely ever post anymore. This isn’t really surprising. Quite a few times over the past several years I have spent a long time typing up well researched investment posts and before submitting them I would think to myself... “why the hell am I even bothering? Almost everyone here these days is so closed-minded, neither of us will get any value out of it”. So I just close the browser deleting the post I spent an hour or two on. I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way. Definitely a weird forum now with pretty low-value posts.

Would love to hear any recommendations for quality discussions in investing. PM might be better than posting alternatives publicly ;)
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by Maddy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:06 pm

This forum arose, in large part, as an offshoot of the Bogleheads forum, where the more free-thinking members of that group (who discovered one another in a very lengthy thread on the Permanent Portfolio) were ridiculed quite regularly. It wasn't just their views on gold as an appropriate part of a balanced investment portfolio, but, I think, the fact that they dared to question the traditional dogma. You want to know what "group think" looks like? Go spend some time with the Bogleheads. I guarantee it will give you a different perspective.
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Re: Right wing group think

Post by Smith1776 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:13 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:06 pm
This forum arose, in large part, as an offshoot of the Bogleheads forum, where the more free-thinking members of that group (who discovered one another in a very lengthy thread on the Permanent Portfolio) were ridiculed quite regularly. It wasn't just their views on gold as an appropriate part of a balanced investment portfolio, but, I think, the fact that they dared to question the traditional dogma. You want to know what "group think" looks like? Go spend some time with the Bogleheads. I guarantee it will give you a different perspective.

Maddy:

Gold is for hoarders who expect to trade glittering bars for stale bread after a financial Armageddon. Or it's for people trying to 'time' gold's movements by purchasing it on an upward bounce, with the hopes of selling before it drops. That's not investing. It's speculating.

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Re: Right wing group think

Post by Cortopassi » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:44 pm

It would seem the majority of people who believe in gold being a significant part of their portfolio are definitely fiscal conservatives. I am one for sure.

It seems many people who find gold attractive are also politically conservative, or am I going too far there? And I feel like on this forum I am in the ever decreasing minority.
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