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Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by technovelist » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:00 pm

(I'm skipping the first minute in which he thanks the various people who have come to the speech, but if you want to make sure he isn't sending out any hidden signals you can watch the whole thing from the beginning.)

https://youtu.be/mXD4zPY4Ai0?t=109
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:08 pm

technovelist wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:00 pm
(I'm skipping the first minute in which he thanks the various people who have come to the speech, but if you want to make sure he isn't sending out any hidden signals you can watch the whole thing from the beginning.)

https://youtu.be/mXD4zPY4Ai0?t=109
While I was working yesterday I listened to the entire thing three times - all the introductions prior to him and then through all the songs played during the fireworks and, finally, the concluding song played by the on site band (which was was quite good musically).

One that has always been puzzling to me regarding the Trump campaign is their choice of music artists and the songs they choose to play during the rallies.

Both choices seems like they would offend certain segments of the Trump base (i.e., White Evangelicals).

I listen to the lyrics of some of the songs and I ask myself who in the Trump campaign thinks it is a good idea to play this song during one his rallies. They certainly don't offend me and I generally greatly enjoy them. Just, again, am surprised that some of the Trump base would not take offense to them. Or, maybe a case of no one is listening to the lyrics so no one gets offended.

Guns 'N Roses being played while Air Force One is making its entrance? Gun 'N Roses and all they represent displaying the values of the Trump campaign?

It's clear to me that someone in the campaign is not thinking. Again, I was thrilled to hear the Gun 'N Roses song when the plane was coming in but.....

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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by Mark Leavy » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:30 pm

vnatale wrote:
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They certainly don't offend me and I generally greatly enjoy them. Just, again, am surprised that some of the Trump base would not take offense to them. Or, maybe a case of no one is listening to the lyrics so no one gets offended.
Why do you dismiss the idea that Trump's base enjoys these picks as much as he does? That would be the rational, normal conclusion. People like the music they grew up with.

I don't vote and I don't count myself as right or left, but I mingle amongst them :)

In general, I find the righties can fairly lucidly describe the lefties' positions (even when they don't agree), but a large majority of the lefties only grasp caricatures of righty positions.

For example...
Of the "out and proud" Trump supporters on this board - some of which are also very Christian - do you get the impression that any of them would have any issue with any of the music?
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Post by pp4me » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:19 pm

I listen to music all the time where I probably wouldn't agree with the lyrics if I actually stopped and thought about it and delved too deeply into what the artist meant to say.

Case in point, the Christian song by Larry Gatlin, "Light at the end of the darkness". He's obviously talking about Jesus but it makes me think of the first time I took a hit on a joint when I was in Vietnam. I can play it over and over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo
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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by vnatale » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:42 pm

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Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:30 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:08 pm
They certainly don't offend me and I generally greatly enjoy them. Just, again, am surprised that some of the Trump base would not take offense to them. Or, maybe a case of no one is listening to the lyrics so no one gets offended.
Why do you dismiss the idea that Trump's base enjoys these picks as much as he does? That would be the rational, normal conclusion. People like the music they grew up with.

I don't vote and I don't count myself as right or left, but I mingle amongst them :)

In general, I find the righties can fairly lucidly describe the lefties' positions (even when they don't agree), but a large majority of the lefties only grasp caricatures of righty positions.

For example...
Of the "out and proud" Trump supporters on this board - some of which are also very Christian - do you get the impression that any of them would have any issue with any of the music?
From extensive direct experience I'm quite familiar with the conservative Christian mindset. I've had a lot of contact with Christians who once they have become Christians turned their backs on the music they listened to in their pre-Christian lives. It's now "the Devil's music" to them.

Also, the Trump crowd is definitely representing "the establishment". How do The Rolling Stones and Guns 'N Rose represent "establishment"? There are tons of country artists that do.

And, what is the message that the Trump campaign is trying to send when one listens to the lyrics of the Rolling Stones, "You Can't Get What You Want."

Campaign songs are picked for their message.

If you listened to all the songs played during the fireworks display after Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech it was clear that someone was on the job there. Every one of those songs had some America or Patriotic theme to them. But whoever picks the other songs played before and after rallies? NOT on the job.

Back to the fireworks songs. They even played the song that contains my ALL-TIME favorite guitar solo - Back in the USA. They did not play this version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf2NsGMW_A4

(With Rick Derringer playing that solo. Year later got to tell him in person how I regarded that solo.).

This version was one I'd never heard before. And, I wanted to know who it was. Finally discovered it was a Linda Rondstadt version.

Anyway, back to the Trump campaign. I'm pointing out that for an effective campaign all should be in harmony and carrying the same message.

I'm certainly not in agreement with much of the Trump campaign's message but I generally love the songs that they play. That in itself is saying a lot.

Several years ago Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young had a tour that was decidedly anti-Iraq War. This resulted in many of the crowds in the South walking out when these type songs were played. Those people heard the lyrics and were not pleased.

Just wondering who is listening to the words of the songs the Trump campaign is playing and, if so, if a Trump supporter can fit those lyrics in with the overall theme(s) of the Trump campaign.

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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by vnatale » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:47 pm

pp4me wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:19 pm
I listen to music all the time where I probably wouldn't agree with the lyrics if I actually stopped and thought about it and delved too deeply into what the artist meant to say.

Case in point, the Christian song by Larry Gatlin, "Light at the end of the darkness". He's obviously talking about Jesus but it makes me think of the first time I took a hit on a joint when I was in Vietnam. I can play it over and over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo
In general for me, I call music the cake and the lyrics the icing.

In other words, I don't care how good the lyrics might be. If the music is not there then it's not a good song. I the music IS good and the lyrics add, then all the better.

But in general I'm not that much listening to the lyrics and will even enjoy music if the vocals are all in Spanish and I'm not understanding a word sung.

But, when it comes to a campaign, the lyrics of a song should be in sync with the campaign's values (as well as the artists chosen who perform those songs).

I was shocked last night to hear them pick Neil Young's "Rockin in the Free World". The sentiments that Neil Young expresses in that song are definitely not supported by Trump policies? So why was it chosen? Just for its title with complete obliviousness to its actual lyrics and what they are communicating?

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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by sophie » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:07 pm

What do you guys think of the announcement to create a new national park with statues of American heroes?

I would call that doubling down on his executive order that institutes a punishment for defacing a statue that is twice as strenuous (10 year minimum jail sentence) as the punishment for rape (5 years AVERAGE sentence).

It'll be a bit difficult for the BLM crowd to complain too much about it though...MLK, Harriet Tubman, and Jackie Robinson are on the hero list.
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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by flyingpylon » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:19 pm

Vinny, with all due respect, you don’t seem to have an accurate understanding of Trump’s base. And some people just like a good kick-ass tune, especially at celebrations, events featuring kick-ass military hardware, or campaign rallies. It’s more about setting the mood than analyzing the lyrics.
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Post by l82start » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:30 pm

Christians thinking rock lyrics will send you to hell, seems like a parody of the 1990 moral majority years, and as over the top as the religious right crowd were back then, cancel culturing a presidential music selection still seems far fetched..
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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by technovelist » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:51 pm

sophie wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:07 pm
What do you guys think of the announcement to create a new national park with statues of American heroes?
I think it's great. Not because I'm a big fan of statues, but I am a big fan of giving the finger to these cretins and terrorists.
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I would call that doubling down on his executive order that institutes a punishment for defacing a statue that is twice as strenuous (10 year minimum jail sentence) as the punishment for rape (5 years AVERAGE sentence).

It'll be a bit difficult for the BLM crowd to complain too much about it though...MLK, Harriet Tubman, and Jackie Robinson are on the hero list.
No, BLM will just call them Uncle Toms and want to tear them down too. Remember they wanted to destroy the Emancipation Monument, which doesn't make any sense if they actually cared about anything other than chaos.
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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by technovelist » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:54 pm

Mark Leavy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:30 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:08 pm
They certainly don't offend me and I generally greatly enjoy them. Just, again, am surprised that some of the Trump base would not take offense to them. Or, maybe a case of no one is listening to the lyrics so no one gets offended.
Why do you dismiss the idea that Trump's base enjoys these picks as much as he does? That would be the rational, normal conclusion. People like the music they grew up with.

I don't vote and I don't count myself as right or left, but I mingle amongst them :)

In general, I find the righties can fairly lucidly describe the lefties' positions (even when they don't agree), but a large majority of the lefties only grasp caricatures of righty positions.
That's true to the extent that the so-called lefties actually have any positions. This current crop just wants to destroy Western Civilization.
I guess that's a position too but it isn't very intelligible.
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For example...
Of the "out and proud" Trump supporters on this board - some of which are also very Christian - do you get the impression that any of them would have any issue with any of the music?
I'm not a big fan of his introductory music, but not because of the lyrics; I just don't care for the melody and arrangements.
His usual exit music though is hilarious: "You can't always get what you want"? LOL!
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Re: Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech

Post by stuper1 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:45 pm

Vinny trying to give Trump lessons on showmanship is like me trying to give Mark lessons on how to live the good life.
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