You are unusual as a leftist who is willing to discuss issues without demonizing your opponents.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:42 amHere's what I've found. If tech and I sit down for a drink, for example, we will be cordial, have a heated discussion and respect, to some level, each other's opinion. (I hope!)pmward wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:18 amLooks at the title of the thread. Looks at what it devolved into....
We really are a laughing stock to the whole world right now, and here it is openly on display for all to see. This is really what America is like these days ladies and gentleman. Aren't you all just itching to move here???
These message boards, social media and the press amplify differences of opinion 100x. It's impossible to get your demeanor, body language, and how you'd actually say the words across without it likely being misinterpreted to some extent. So I always read tech as yelling at everyone who doesn't love Trump and as being this crabby old white guy. He probably reads me as (fill in the blank). But if we got together, we'd likely find we have a lot in common, and just some differences of opinion which we wouldn't bring up very often.
I was in a meeting yesterday with a bunch of tech-type people, and instead of discussing work we talked masks, covid, Trump, etc. My boss would absolutely be a soulmate to tech, and I have known and worked with him for over 20 years. I love the guy. But every now and then we get into these discussions and both he and I get exasperated that we can't understand the other person's opinion. And then we laugh it off, drop it, and get back to work.
My recent experience is that in general non-leftists think leftists are wrong, and leftists think non-leftists are evil.
I'm actually not even a Republican in most senses of the word, but rather a libertarian (small "l", not necessarily agreeing with the Libertarian Party).
However, most of my Presidential votes have been for the LP candidate.
I have voted four times for non-Libertarian Presidential candidates: twice for Democrats and twice for Republicans.
So I'm not really a partisan by choice. I'd prefer two parties to present candidates whom it would be possible for me to vote for.
Right now the Democrat party has been taken over by terrorists. It could have been the Republican party, e.g., someone even worse than GWB, while the Democrats were trying to be reasonable, in which case I would have become a rabid Democrat.
But it wasn't. It is the Democrat party that is sanctioning looting, arson, rioting.
It is the Democrat party that is supporting people like this terrorist, who says that if Black Lives Matter doesn't get what they want, they will "burn down the system": https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06 ... is-system/.
It is the Democrat party that has been attempting through any means, fair or foul, to remove Trump from office. Those means have been proven to include spying, threatening his associates with prison for made up crimes that the prosecutor knew were fake, impeaching him without even alleging high crimes or misdemeanors, and attacking his character 24/7 on their captive news media outlets.
It is the Democrat party militia BLM that is extorting money from businesses large and small to avoid being attacked. Did you know that contributions to BLM go to ActBlue, the fundraising arm of the Democrat party? https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaug ... 12/854023/
So although I don't believe that you personally are evil, the side you appear to favor is evil. If the Democrats gets into power, the best outcome is a civil war in which they are completely vanquished. The worst case is tyranny that will make the Soviet Union look pretty good by comparison.