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Where would you move?

Post by sophie » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:21 pm

There's a big jump in people suddenly freed from the need to live in expensive, crowded areas by the shift to remote work, which is now becoming a permanent trend:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-worke ... jem10point
All told, at one point in April, Americans were relocating at twice the pace they did a year earlier, according to Cuebiq, a data firm that tracks movement via mobile phones. They continued to move at an elevated rate through mid-May. Cuebiq’s tally includes any trips away from home that last at least three weeks, so it also captures some temporary movement, like people decamping to vacation homes and students moving home from college.

It’s too early to tell how many of these moves are permanent and how, in aggregate, new migration patterns might reshape the country. Some people who left big cities early in the pandemic are realizing they miss working from an office—or their companies miss them, and want them back in their cubicles. Others are staying put because they don’t know when their companies will make them come back.

Still, coronavirus-spurred moving could accelerate a shift already under way from dense, expensive cities to more affordable areas, including small cities and suburbs.

In places like Boise, Idaho, real-estate agents say people are finally breaking ties with the West Coast after years of waffling, and sometimes buying properties sight-unseen.
We had a similar discussion a while back, but as I recall there were some strict parameters. Given the trends in liberal cities that we all expect will lead to increased crime, high taxes, and general deterioration in quality of life, if you were willing and able to pull up stakes and move, what places would be on the Good list? There are some comments about this in the article and also the discussion that follows, if you have access to those.

Texas I assume should be on the list...

New Hampshire is high on my personal list, as is Alaska.
Florida is a popular choice, if you're a fan of hot humid weather.

Perhaps ironically, upstate New York is on the list. The Hudson Valley and Finger Lakes regions are gorgeous, and overall quite conservative.
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Re: Where would you move?

Post by stuper1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:51 pm

Southern Utah is nice if you like the outdoors and want a drier climate and a conservative political environment.
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Post by pp4me » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:53 pm

Already live in Florida - since 1981. Heat and humidity is indeed intense in the summertime but it's worth it for the other 3 seasons and it isn't even so bad in the summertime once you figure out how to live with it. Just do your outdoor things in the morning or evening and stay inside during the heat of the day.

I like to visit Alaska but could never live there, mostly because of the mosquitoes and the endless days and nights.

East Texas is okay. West Texas, not so much IMO.

My brother has a cabin in the mountains in New Hampshire and I do envy him but not in the winter time.

One of the places I was enamored with and thought about settling down as I was travelling the U.S.A. in my RV was California if you can believe it. There are some really nice rural areas in the northern part of the state with wonderful small towns.
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Post by pp4me » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:54 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:51 pm
Southern Utah is nice if you like the outdoors and want a drier climate and a conservative political environment.
I wasn't aware that people actually live in Southern Utah. One of the most barren places I've been to in all of the U.S.A. but an awesome place to visit.
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Post by l82start » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:19 pm

pp4me wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:54 pm
stuper1 wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:51 pm
Southern Utah is nice if you like the outdoors and want a drier climate and a conservative political environment.
I wasn't aware that people actually live in Southern Utah. One of the most barren places I've been to in all of the U.S.A. but an awesome place to visit.
i lived there for a while.. i second the addition to the list, the Mormons i knew were nice and easy to get along with but clannish, you will be an outsider unless you join..
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Re: Where would you move?

Post by stuper1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:23 pm

pp4me wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:54 pm
stuper1 wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:51 pm
Southern Utah is nice if you like the outdoors and want a drier climate and a conservative political environment.
I wasn't aware that people actually live in Southern Utah. One of the most barren places I've been to in all of the U.S.A. but an awesome place to visit.
I believe St. George is the largest city at about 100,000 people. Very nice place, especially as I say if you love the outdoors. I don't live there currently, but wouldn't hesitate to move there. I believe there are many non-Mormons that live happily there.
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Post by l82start » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:37 pm

being a Mormon is not required... it is just helpful if you want or need a deep connection to the larger community, plenty of happy non Mormons.. i was one (smaller town north of st George)
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Post by bedraggled » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:04 pm

The A/C makes Florida OK. Air conditioning levels the playing field when considering living choices. This year the season seems less hot than the past couple of years. If air conditioning is ever "uninvented," I may be compelled to move. The financials and budgeting are ok in FL and should improve into the future when RMDs are considered.

New York State allows a $20,000 exemption for retirement account withdrawals. After that first $20K, they will take their share. Sophie is correct, though, saying recently that New York State accommodates retirees: no state tax on SSI and pensions. Moving on, the Adirondack Mountains may be a great place with cheaper housing north of Albany. The Northway extension of the Interstate system to Plattsburgh and Montreal provides accessibility. The winter is tough on cars, though- and maybe tough on you.

Re health plans In Florida, if you have a New York City pension, Florida's southeast from Palm Beach to Miami (and maybe Orlando but not sure on this particular city), will recognize that your health insurance plans are viable.
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Re: Where would you move?

Post by I Shrugged » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:03 pm

One big question is what are your cultural requirements? I can go forever without needing the things a big city offers. Some are the opposite.
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Re: Where would you move?

Post by sophie » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:17 pm

I was thinking of this as a general-purpose list, not specifically for me. Culture is a big deal especially if you're single. I personally am not interested in the bar/nightclub scene, and I rarely go to Broadway shows. I'm more into things like living in a walkable area (i.e. can run most errands on foot), house concerts (chamber music in an intimate setting), street backgammon and street fairs, neighborhood farmer's markets, having nice neighbors that you meet in the local grocery store, visit with often, and trade cat-sitting. A few good, non-chain restaurants in the neighborhood too. A friend is a member of a choir that includes several of my neighbors (one of whom practices singing every day, which has been a bit of a trial during Zoom meetings), and puts on several concerts a year including a particularly awesome one on New Year's Eve - I don't have time to join it, so I usher concerts for them instead. Nothing really exciting, in other words, but also not your standard suburban cocoon with big national chains & superstores to be visited only by car.

One of the nicest side effects of the pandemic has been that New York suspended most of its liquor laws. You can now buy a beer, glass of wine or cocktail at a take-out window and walk around with it, sort of like Bourbon Street in New Orleans. Delightful, and amazingly enough society hasn't crashed and burned as a result. Who knew. Maybe that law against carrying open containers of liquor will never come back.
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Re: Where would you move?

Post by I Shrugged » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:22 pm

Um...um, uh, maybe some city in Europe? :-\
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Re: Where would you move?

Post by Maddy » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:43 am

Sophie, you might enjoy an "art town" like Ashland, Oregon or Sebastapol in northern California.
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