Ad Orientem wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:28 am I am tired and we are not going to know the winner tonight. Time for bed.
I am seeing 220-213, not in Trump's favor.
Vinny
Ad Orientem wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:28 am I am tired and we are not going to know the winner tonight. Time for bed.
How so? And, if he does win, do you want to trade country leaders??!!!
Not quite true.
If Trump wins I'm buying the Playstation 5. If Biden wins I'm buying the new Xbox.
Yeah, how early? Mr. President has been attempting to dismantle the post office for months.sophie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:14 am I'm not quite as confident, tech.
It depends on where the missing votes are coming from. In a couple of cases (like Georgia, Michigan, and PA to an extent) it's the big cities where there are a lot of votes that lean heavily Democratic. In others like PA, it's the mail-in ballots which are also heavily Democratic.
I share your sentiment that the last-minute change to the mail-in rules in PA was motivated by partisan interests and needs to be reviewed by the Supreme Court. It was always understood that you had to get your ballot in early, in time for the election. I can see both sides of the argument, but we need some smart constitutionalists to make a precedent-setting decision.
And if its a draw you can buy both
The agonies of being a Canadian??!!
I was looking forward to a clear winner whomever it was and for a while it seemed to be going that way.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:16 amTrump needs to contest this to the bitter end.sophie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:14 am I'm not quite as confident, tech.
It depends on where the missing votes are coming from. In a couple of cases (like Georgia, Michigan, and PA to an extent) it's the big cities where there are a lot of votes that lean heavily Democratic. In others like PA, it's the mail-in ballots which are also heavily Democratic.
I share your sentiment that the last-minute change to the mail-in rules in PA was motivated by partisan interests and needs to be reviewed by the Supreme Court. It was always understood that you had to get your ballot in early, in time for the election. I can see both sides of the argument, but we need some smart constitutionalists to make a precedent-setting decision.
I'm going to have to do some research on exactly how the slates of electors are selected to be sent to the Electoral College.
It does look like he'll win Wisconsin and Michigan, but he also needs Nevada and it's close with only 2/3 reporting.
Lastest I am seeing...
However, just about all of those in 2016 were off by the margin of error? In most cases, only 1% or 2%? How much are they off this year?Ad Orientem wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:33 pm Well as of right now it looks like Biden is probably going to win by his fingertips. But I have to admit that the Trump supporters who were shaking their heads at most of the polls have been largely proven right. Most of the polls were off, in some cases by margins worse than the 2016 fail.
vnatale wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:34 pmHowever, just about all of those in 2016 were off by the margin of error? In most cases, only 1% or 2%? How much are they off this year?Ad Orientem wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:33 pm Well as of right now it looks like Biden is probably going to win by his fingertips. But I have to admit that the Trump supporters who were shaking their heads at most of the polls have been largely proven right. Most of the polls were off, in some cases by margins worse than the 2016 fail.
Vinny
At this point he has a popular vote lead of about 5%?Ad Orientem wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:47 pmvnatale wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:34 pmHowever, just about all of those in 2016 were off by the margin of error? In most cases, only 1% or 2%? How much are they off this year?Ad Orientem wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:33 pm Well as of right now it looks like Biden is probably going to win by his fingertips. But I have to admit that the Trump supporters who were shaking their heads at most of the polls have been largely proven right. Most of the polls were off, in some cases by margins worse than the 2016 fail.
Vinny
A Washington Post/ABC News poll published on October 28 had Biden winning Wisconsin by 17 points. The New York Times had him winning the state by 11 points on the day before election day. The national polling averages had Biden ahead in the popular vote by somewhere between 8-9%. And that actually includes a handful of polls that were calling the election as much closer or even with Trump up very slightly. These aren't near misses. These are epic fails that should warrant investigation.