Tortoise wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:10 pm
My county government in California is mandating that all of us wear masks in public starting at midnight tonight.
I wonder if citations for failing to wear a mask will include the police officer handing the offender a free mask to wear? Probably not.
Mandating something that's in a shortage and most people have trouble finding in stores is like something the Three Stooges would have come up with.
Sounds like the best Government Money can buy..
Good Luck to you.
Tortoise wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:10 pm
Mandating something that's in a shortage and most people have trouble finding in stores is like something the Three Stooges would have come up with.
Unless the California county you're referencing is doing things differently, the other cities I've seen already do this are mandating mouth coverings. Not surgical masks or N95 respirators. So scarves, bandanas, or other homemade cloth masks also work.
Tyler wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:15 pm
Unless the California county you're referencing is doing things differently, the other cities I've seen already do this are mandating mouth coverings. Not surgical masks or N95 respirators. So scarves, bandanas, or other homemade cloth masks also work.
Same in my county. But how effective are “mouth coverings” that can be made of almost any material?
It just doesn’t seem like a well thought out mandate. Just more Simon Says.
Tyler wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:15 pm
Unless the California county you're referencing is doing things differently, the other cities I've seen already do this are mandating mouth coverings. Not surgical masks or N95 respirators. So scarves, bandanas, or other homemade cloth masks also work.
Same in my county. But how effective are “mouth coverings” that can be made of almost any material?
It just doesn’t seem like a well thought out mandate. Just more Simon Says.
Boil them in 60 grams of salt and 200ml of water. Hang to dry. Any type of cloth that can handle being boiled.
Edit: Or 1/3 cup of salt added to a cup of water.
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Aerosolized pathogens are a leading cause of respiratory infection and transmission. Currently used protective measures pose potential risk of primary/secondary infection and transmission. Here, we report the development of a universal, reusable virus deactivation system by functionalization of the main fibrous filtration unit of surgical mask with sodium chloride salt. The salt coating on the fiber surface dissolves upon exposure to virus aerosols and recrystallizes during drying, destroying the pathogens. When tested with tightly sealed sides, salt-coated filters showed remarkably higher filtration efficiency than conventional mask filtration layer, and 100% survival rate was observed in mice infected with virus penetrated through salt-coated filters. Viruses captured on salt-coated filters exhibited rapid infectivity loss compared to gradual decrease on bare filters. Salt-coated filters proved highly effective in deactivating influenza viruses regardless of subtypes and following storage in harsh environmental conditions. Our results can be applied in obtaining a broad-spectrum, airborne pathogen prevention device in preparation for epidemic and pandemic of respiratory diseases.
GT wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:21 pm
I hope folks who elect to wear a mask do not get a false sense of security
Chicken wire should work well to screen out the bats.
DNA has its own language (code), and language requires intelligence. There is no known mechanism by which matter can give birth to information, let alone language. It is unreasonable to believe the world could have happened by chance.
Aerosolized pathogens are a leading cause of respiratory infection and transmission. Currently used protective measures pose potential risk of primary/secondary infection and transmission. Here, we report the development of a universal, reusable virus deactivation system by functionalization of the main fibrous filtration unit of surgical mask with sodium chloride salt. The salt coating on the fiber surface dissolves upon exposure to virus aerosols and recrystallizes during drying, destroying the pathogens. When tested with tightly sealed sides, salt-coated filters showed remarkably higher filtration efficiency than conventional mask filtration layer, and 100% survival rate was observed in mice infected with virus penetrated through salt-coated filters. Viruses captured on salt-coated filters exhibited rapid infectivity loss compared to gradual decrease on bare filters. Salt-coated filters proved highly effective in deactivating influenza viruses regardless of subtypes and following storage in harsh environmental conditions. Our results can be applied in obtaining a broad-spectrum, airborne pathogen prevention device in preparation for epidemic and pandemic of respiratory diseases.
Very interesting. Thanks.
DNA has its own language (code), and language requires intelligence. There is no known mechanism by which matter can give birth to information, let alone language. It is unreasonable to believe the world could have happened by chance.
The CDC link you provided doesn't answer my question about effectiveness. It does not provide a scientific explanation of why cloth mouth coverings supposedly "slow the spread of the virus."
From the CDC link (boldface added):
Cloth face coverings fashioned from household items or made at home from common materials at low cost can be used as an additional, voluntary public health measure.
Okay, so apparently I was "fake newsed" by my brother. My own flesh and blood.
He lives in my county in California, and he was the one who told me this morning that everyone in our county is required to wear a mouth covering starting tomorrow. But he was wrong; it's only a recommendation. The only people here who are required to wear a mouth covering starting tomorrow are employees at stores and restaurants that might interact with customers.
See, Smithy? You're not the only one around here who got "fake newsed"!
Tortoise wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:56 pm
See, Smithy? You're not the only one around here who got "fake newsed"!
<hangs head in shame>
Hahahahaha, if someone as keen as you can get caught up in all this, I don't feel that bad then.
The same thing happened to me, where I was caught because it was someone close to me who told me. We tend to think of our closeness with the source as a proxy for reliability, when we've learned it really isn't.
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Okay, I just did a trial run with a Merino wool neck gaiter. Pretty comfy. And you can just leave it down on your neck most of the time and pull it up when you need to.
Of course, you can't boil wool and Merino is only anti-bacterial, not anti-viral. But it's mostly theater anyway, and at least I won't scare the nice ladies at the checkout stand.
Well, I read that distilleries are selling booze curbside and some are even delivering, so I guess those that can afford the surcharge can still partake of the goodness of rotten grain.
First actual "mask usage" at a grocery store today. I had my neck gaiter on from hiking around Zion this morning and I stopped in the grocery store. Small town Kanab in Southern Utah. So far, I hadn't seen very many masks at all, but today there were a few soccer mom types on with scarves and bandanas, so I pulled up my gaiter to blend in. I grabbed my eggs and butter and soda water and headed to the checkout counter.
Technology.
Apple Pay - contactless payment through my iPhone doesn't work. Face recognition. Oops. I had to pull my gaiter down while at the checkout. Fortunately - none of the checkers at the grocery store were wearing masks and the young gal helping me out knew me and thought it was as funny as I did.
Be safe out there folks. Carry cash. Filthy, dirty lucre.
Some of the bodegas around me insist on taking the credit card and inserting it themselves, which is weird. One of them used to let customers do it. I wonder what went wrong. One even has a pen on a cord that everyone uses to sign a paper receipt - those outside the U.S. reading this must think it’s pretty funny. I have been bringing my own pen since before corona. I like pens.
So, while I’ll definitely be wearing a mask next time I get food, I’m going to have to get my hands dirty.
dualstow wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:07 pm
Some of the bodegas around me insist on taking the credit card and inserting it themselves, which is weird.
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So, while I’ll definitely be wearing a mask next time I get food, I’m going to have to get my hands dirty.
None of your credit cards have NFC (contactless) chips yet?