Coronavirus General Discussion

[Dieter]

And, I since learned that many of those in the cruise ship industry are registered under foreign flags to avoid paying U.S. taxes.


Vinny

Slightly off topic, but if they are doing that what does it tell you? Maybe that US taxes are too high compared to the other options?

Why don't they go to the country where they are registered to get bailed out then?

Personally don't like the race to the bottom.

[shekels]

I didn't realize that Vancouver had become the Fourth Reich. Between your cell phone ticket and the $1000 above, it sounds like the Gestapo has taken over the metro police. Wtf?

I KNOW. Holy s#$t.

I'm just glad it wasn't me. A $1,000 ticket on top of what I'm already going through, and I don't know what I'd do.

I'm listening to the Timcast, and someone said they got fined too. A second violation is $7,500.

Our new world is gonna be fun.

Seems like the state/cities are trying to make up for lost revenue.

For $7,500 would you just ask for a Jury trial?

[Xan]

Police roadblock. Just like the kind you see on a Saturday night checking for drunk drivers. Except this was during the middle of the day.

Speaking for myself, I've never seen a roadblock like that. I've never heard of losing your license for having a cell phone in a cupholder or $1000 tickets for riding in the wrong person's car. That all sounds like something out of an Orwell novel, not like anything in my experience.

[dualstow]

Wow! So a bit over $700 USD? Or was it in Bancors?*

(A ‘Mandibles’ reference in this case)

[shekels]

I didn't realize that Vancouver had become the Fourth Reich. Between your cell phone ticket and the $1000 above, it sounds like the Gestapo has taken over the metro police. Wtf?

I KNOW. Holy s#$t.

I'm just glad it wasn't me. A $1,000 ticket on top of what I'm already going through, and I don't know what I'd do.

I'm listening to the Timcast, and someone said they got fined too. A second violation is $7,500.

Our new world is gonna be fun.

Seems like the state/cities are trying to make up for lost revenue.

For $7,500 would you just ask for a Jury trial?

$7,500 sounds like Felony Theft when 33 percent of people don't have 300 Dollars saved

[dualstow]

https://youtu.be/dcqA-9zDmgU
Vancouver fines

[vnatale]

"Reported US coronavirus cases and deaths via
@CNN
:

4 weeks ago: 60 cases, 0 deaths
3 weeks ago: 227 cases, 12 deaths
2 weeks ago: 1,636 cases, 41 deaths
1 week ago: 13,229 cases, 195 deaths
Right now: 82,135 cases, 1,195 deaths"


Vinny

[vnatale]

Government Accidentally Shuts Itself Down With Ban On Non-Essential Businesses


https://babylonbee.com/news/government- ... businesses

[mdwilson1991]

"Reported US coronavirus cases and deaths via
@CNN
:

4 weeks ago: 60 cases, 0 deaths
3 weeks ago: 227 cases, 12 deaths
2 weeks ago: 1,636 cases, 41 deaths
1 week ago: 13,229 cases, 195 deaths
Right now: 82,135 cases, 1,195 deaths"


Vinny

I'm sorry but your numbers are wrong.

The President said, a month ago:
"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

So it must be down to just a handful by now.

[vnatale]

Bill Gates's thoughts...


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bi ... M%3DVRFLTR

Vinny

[ochotona]

Those are such beautiful numbers, beautiful numbers

[Vil]

I like this one too, especially the last 15-20 seconds

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics ... th-vpx.cnn

I will not comment on the way this (*will get censored*) guy Trump and his cohort behave and speak, but I have to admit one of the few good things that our local morons (*will note get censored for sure*) did in the recent times is to apply the complete lock-down and do not underestimate of what's happening ..

[dualstow]

Tracking anonymized cell phones of spring breakers who visited Ft Lauderdale, Florida.

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/stat ... 45670?s=20

[dualstow]

BRITAIN’S BORIS HAS THE BUG

[I Shrugged]

Cruise ships. I would guess the ships are foreign flagged, but the US cruise companies are US companies paying US taxes on applicable income. They probably are able to minimize that through various internal arrangements though. The reaction you are having can also be applied to any company that has a foreign factory.

Is this an argument for a VAT? Maybe this should be another thread.

[Mountaineer]

This could well go into the Religion thread but it seemed more appropriate for the current Wuhan virus situation. I hope you all enjoy the perspective.

Plans 2020-03-27.pdf

(3.54 MiB) Downloaded 152 times

[vnatale]

This female representative from Michigan is absolutely going wild right now.

You WILL be seeing video clips of this.

It is now live on C-Span.

She has stopped speaking.

Vinny

[vnatale]

It just occurred to me when thinking about how often I now see / hear / read people making references to how many flu deaths we have every year.

Have any of you ever read an obituary wherein it is stated that they died from the flu? I do not believe that I have.

Vinny

[dualstow]

It just occurred to me when thinking about how often I now see / hear / read people making references to how many flu deaths we have every year.

Have any of you ever read an obituary wherein it is stated that they died from the flu? I do not believe that I have.

Most obits of non-celebrities that I see do not state the cause of death.
However, I have seen news articles showing a young muscular guy who died from the flu, because it almost acts as a PSA. The decedent was named.

Also, I know someone whose father died from the flu. His health was compromised by cancer and cancer treatments although he was on the mend when he caught the flu virus.

[vnatale]

"Reported US coronavirus cases and deaths via
@CNN
:

4 weeks ago: 60 cases, 0 deaths
3 weeks ago: 227 cases, 12 deaths
2 weeks ago: 1,636 cases, 41 deaths
1 week ago: 13,229 cases, 195 deaths
Right now: 82,135 cases, 1,195 deaths"


Vinny

I'm sorry but your numbers are wrong.

The President said, a month ago:
"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

So it must be down to just a handful by now.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vinny

[Tortoise]

Have any of you ever read an obituary wherein it is stated that they died from the flu? I do not believe that I have.

Not in an obituary. But sometimes through word of mouth I'll hear about an older person dying of pneumonia. Presumably the pneumonia is some kind of secondary infection brought on by something like the flu. But that level of detail rarely comes up in the conversations.

If someone dies of pneumonia, I'm not sure if doctors categorize the official cause of death as "pneumonia" or the primary illness that eventually led to the pneumonia. And if the person who died was really old and frail, it seems like the illness that tipped them over the edge is more of a minor detail and they kind of just died unofficially of "old age."

[vnatale]

Have any of you ever read an obituary wherein it is stated that they died from the flu? I do not believe that I have.

Not in an obituary. But sometimes through word of mouth I'll hear about an older person dying of pneumonia. Presumably the pneumonia is some kind of secondary infection brought on by something like the flu. But that level of detail rarely comes up in the conversations.

If someone dies of pneumonia, I'm not sure if doctors categorize the official cause of death as "pneumonia" or the primary illness that eventually led to the pneumonia. And if the person who died was really old and frail, it seems like the illness that tipped them over the edge is more of a minor detail and they kind of just died unofficially of "old age."

Don't death certificates have to specify a cause of death? And, if so, is "old age" a cause?

Vinny

[vnatale]

As I continue to watch this House of Representatives debate and see almost all of them go over their allotted times I am reminded of something I frequently say: "I don't trust anyone with my money who is clearly demonstrating to me that they cannot manage time."


Vinny

[Tortoise]

Don't death certificates have to specify a cause of death? And, if so, is "old age" a cause?

Yes, I believe they do, and no, I don't think "old age" is an official cause (hence my use of the term "unofficial" in relation to it).

For what it's worth, here are a graph and table showing the most common official causes of death:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... th_by_rate

Interestingly, the graph and table don't explicitly include the words "influenza" or "virus," but they do include terms like "infectious diseases," "respiratory infections," "respiratory diseases," and "lower respiratory tract infections."

I'm not sure how flu death statistics are officially tracked if the word "influenza" never appears on official death certificates. Yet in recent weeks we've been seeing lots of references to "N deaths per year due to the flu" like it's an easily verified fact. Maybe annual flu deaths are just estimated, not measured, based on some kind of model using various assumptions.

[Cortopassi]

As I continue to watch this House of Representatives debate and see almost all of them go over their allotted times I am reminded of something I frequently say: "I don't trust anyone with my money who is clearly demonstrating to me that they cannot manage time."


Vinny

Agreed. The daily press conferences were terrible for starting late, but it seems they have gotten the word that TV news and millions of people are expecting these at a certain time, and they've gotten better.