Coronavirus General Discussion

[Kriegsspiel]

Oh, yea I guess that's a possibility too. I had the full body aches, which I didn't think happen with a common cold (head cold). Dunno.

I usually just stick it under the umbrella of "sick" since I might get sick once every year or two.

[SomeDude]

Whenever I got the flu shot (haven't in >5 years) I would feel crappy and have a light fever for 1-2 days. I figured it wasn't worth it so stopped getting it.

I get the same thing. The worst was the nasal mist flu vaccine.

I got sick a year ago (after getting the flu vaccine), so I either had corona, or the flu vaccine jacked me up when I got it AND failed to protecc.

The last time I was sick was about 19 years ago in the Army from the "flu shot" or whatever they were giving. That's also the last time I got a flu shot.

[vnatale]

Americans' willingness to get COVID-19 vaccines reaches record high: Poll

Willingness to get the vaccine increased in both Democrats and Republicans.

ByDr. Nicholas Nissen


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/americans ... itter_abcn

[barrett]

I don’t have to look at his lying egocentric face anymore

Must you always sugar coat everything, MJ?

[vnatale]

I don’t have to look at his lying egocentric face anymore

Must you always sugar coat everything, MJ?

Was this the first time mathjak actually expressed a political view? I seemed to have told myself just recently that I'd not remembered mathjak ever having commented on any political matters.

[mathjak107]

I really hate politics and as far as my views go they all suck .

But this is the first time in decades I actually could not stand a president not only as a leader but as a human being

[WiseOne]

WiseOne, I don't remember anyone saying not to take ibuprofen or acetaminophen after my injection. In fact, Fauci even said in some video that the flu-like symptoms could easily be mitigated with anti-inflammatories. Is there data that shows the vaccine would be less effective if you took ibu the next day?

Based on studies with prior, non-mRNA vaccines, anything anti-inflammatory taken peri-injection could blunt the immune response. Per the CDC, taking NSAIDs for vaccine-induced symptoms is ok, but those wouldn't be noticeable until several hours afterward. By then, the mRNA strands are supposedly mostly degraded. Although, I found some info that it takes a couple of days for the injected mRNA to be completely gone, so the timing of peri-injection vs post-injection is not exactly clear. It's also not known whether the mRNA vaccines are different in this regard from traditional vaccines.

Yet another issue with this rushed vaccine process. Bottom line is, we simply don't know. Of course the CDC said it was ok to medicate symptoms away, because if they said otherwise a lot more people might refuse the vaccine given its high rate of disabling side effects.

[mathjak107]

So far 7 million doses have been given with very little in the way of bad adverse reactions .

Even that person who died , died from what is suspected to be an issue with his blood count not vaccine related .

The biggest issues are the normal body responses which kind of mimic weak symptoms of covid but with no replication.

Most vaccines are considered okay by 3,000,000 dose testing

[Kriegsspiel]

Just wait until they activate the nanomolecules and turn everyone into fast zombies!

[whatchamacallit]

Why all the world's coronavirus would fit in a can of cola

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... -coca-cola

[pp4me]

Why all the world's coronavirus would fit in a can of cola

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... -coca-cola

I remember reading somewhere that the entire universe was calculated to be contained in something the size of a marble at the time of the big bang. Just needed a catalyst I guess.

[Mountaineer]

Just wait until they activate the nanomolecules and turn everyone into fast zombies!

I now have a third ear, and only 2 weeks after the first shot. I wonder what is to come? But my hearing has drastically improved. I can now hear conspiracy theories in Mandarin as well as English.

[vnatale]

Trump Was Sicker Than Acknowledged With Covid-19


When hospitalized with the coronavirus in October, his blood oxygen levels had plunged and officials feared he was on the verge of being placed on a ventilator.



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/p ... virus.html

[Hal]

Oh no, not again..... announced a few hours ago

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/de ... ctions.pdf

Guess we can look forward to this again -> https://www.rebelnews.com/sydney_man_violently_arrested

<edit> On a positive note, we went to the Ballarat Botanic Gardens before the midnight lockdown start. Great statues there. The one in the image is about 12 foot high including the pedestal. Highly recommend a visit!

[vnatale]

From a newsletter...

Vinny


Around 200,000 U.S. COVID deaths could’ve been prevented if we weren’t so screwed up as a country
According to the British medical journal The Lancet, 40% of the nation’s coronavirus deaths could have been prevented if the United States’ average death rate matched other industrialized nations. That’s nearly 200,000 people who died because of our nation’s policy choices.

The report went strongly after the Trump administration for its horrendous response to the pandemic, which, in turn, gave guidance and cover to Trump-minded officials at the state and local level to similarly and intentionally bungle it. But it wasn’t all Trump. The report makes clear that our crappy handling of the virus was the result of years of other, broader crappy public policy decisions that long predated him.

It’s simply how America rolls.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... lth-policy

[Xan]

From a newsletter...

Vinny


Around 200,000 U.S. COVID deaths could’ve been prevented if we weren’t so screwed up as a country
According to the British medical journal The Lancet, 40% of the nation’s coronavirus deaths could have been prevented if the United States’ average death rate matched other industrialized nations. That’s nearly 200,000 people who died because of our nation’s policy choices.

The report went strongly after the Trump administration for its horrendous response to the pandemic, which, in turn, gave guidance and cover to Trump-minded officials at the state and local level to similarly and intentionally bungle it. But it wasn’t all Trump. The report makes clear that our crappy handling of the virus was the result of years of other, broader crappy public policy decisions that long predated him.

It’s simply how America rolls.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... lth-policy

Even assuming it's true that some other handling of this would have made a difference (does it specifically say what?), number of deaths is only one dimension of this thing. That isn't the only way to keep score.

Just as a for instance, if we had surrendered to Germany and Japan in WWII, many of our young men who were killed would not have been. Would that have been good for freedom, prosperity, future generations, the economy, or really anything? And yet if we just go by "number of deaths", we'd have to say it was.

[I Shrugged]

Oh no, not again..... announced a few hours ago

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/de ... ctions.pdf

Guess we can look forward to this again -> https://www.rebelnews.com/sydney_man_violently_arrested

<edit> On a positive note, we went to the Ballarat Botanic Gardens before the midnight lockdown start. Great statues there. The one in the image is about 12 foot high including the pedestal. Highly recommend a visit!

What happened, they found 10 new cases?

[vnatale]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... p_national


Massachusetts offered vaccine to seniors’ caregivers. Some are offering cash to the elderly to get in on the deal.

Teo Armus

The suspicious posts began appearing on Craigslist on Thursday afternoon, a few hours after health officials in Massachusetts announced a key expansion of who could receive the coronavirus vaccine. “Companions” to those older than 75 were now eligible, the state said, but only if these caregivers helped accompany seniors to vaccination sites.

Suddenly, it seemed on the classifieds website, plenty of younger residents wanted to start spending time with septuagenarians. Especially if money was involved.

“Some people [are] posting online, trying to get a senior to bring them to a vaccination site, or in some cases asking to be paid to drive somebody to one,” Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) said at a news conference Thursday, calling the ads “pretty disturbing.”

Catch up on the most important developments in the pandemic with our coronavirus newsletter. All stories in it are free to access.

The ensuing fracas over the “companion system” has since been criticized by some state lawmakers, who say it all but guaranteed to encourage dangerous scams and failed to ensure that Massachusetts’s most vulnerable populations receive the vaccine first.

“We shouldn’t be having people haggle for vaccine appointments on Craigslist, Facebook, and other social media sites,” state Rep. Tami Gouveia (D), a public-health social worker, wrote on Twitter. “This isn’t safe, equitable, or effective.”

As larger and increasingly diverse pockets of the U.S. population suddenly find themselves able to sign up for a vaccine shot, the episode may preview the difficulties associated with prioritizing broader, more nebulously defined groups.

When the shot arrived in many parts of the country, hospitals and nursing homes took on the responsibility of distributing it to their essential employees. Seniors who began to qualify in ensuing weeks could prove they were eligible simply by showing the age on their IDs.

But granting strict priority to essential workers such as day laborers or farmhands, whose job arrangements are often more informal, as well as groups defined by a personal practice such as smoking, may prove easier said than done. There is no clear answer on how � or whether � officialsals might corroborate that an individual is in those groups and meets the threshold for a vaccine.

In New Jersey, smokers can now get the coronavirus vaccine before teachers or public transit workers

In Massachusetts, the companion system was conceived as an attempt to solve an existing problem in the state’s vaccine rollout. Like in many other parts of the country, technologically challenged seniors had struggled to navigate a complex website of appointments and frustrating scenes at vaccination sites.

For younger generation, securing vaccine appointments for parents can be ‘full-time job’

On Wednesday, state officials said that caretakers could start signing up for companion appointments on the same day as the seniors they were transporting to a vaccination site. It was the state’s first exception made for residents who fall out of Phases 1 and 2 of the state’s immunization plan.

But by the time of his early afternoon news conference the next day, Baker and several Democratic lawmakers had taken note of potential schemes on Craigslist.

One person in Boston reportedly wrote that they “Will PAY $200 to assist 75+ year old with COVID vaccine process,” according to a screenshot by state Rep. Mike Connolly (D).

A Cambridge resident said they were “Paying $100 to book with eligible senior for vaccine.” And in Brookline, one ad made an offer for “Free Pickup and Dropoff for Covid Vaccine.” (All three ads appear to have been taken down as of early Friday, although similar offers remain online.)

Many Democratic state lawmakers seized on the posts to criticize Baker for this and other aspects of Massachusetts’s immunization campaign, saying it failed to address the obstacles that had been preventing senior citizens from easily getting shots.

“The companion system will put thousands of healthy adults ahead of those who have the most significant risk of getting and dying from COVID-19,” a group of a dozen Democratic lawmakers, including Gouveia, wrote in a letter to Baker.

The group said the strategy could prove “dangerous” for seniors, “opening up opportunities for individuals with mal-intent” to prey upon older residents who lack reliable transportation or are in need of additional sources of income.

They suggested that Massachusetts should instead adopt a wait-list policy, by which young, healthy adults can sign up for last-minute appointments in case of cancellations or extra doses remaining.

But while the policy is in place, Baker offered a warning to elderly residents at his news conference. He urged them not to share their personal information with strangers and to report any potential scammers to the police.

“You should only reach out to somebody you know or trust to bring as your companion,” he said.

[whatchamacallit]

Nothing to back that this is actually occurring but I had a thought tonight.

The fact that there is limited supply of the vaccine is actually making people more likely to want it than if there was enough available for all that initially would have wanted it.

Kind of like the toilet paper crisis. The fact that there is limited supply was making people stock up even more.

Just an interesting thought and may have not been a bad idea. I haven't seen anything but also haven't looked on why they claim there is a supply shortage.

[vnatale]

Governors Are Easing Restrictions at Exactly the Wrong Time

by The Editorial Board
NYT > Opinion / 2021-02-10 15:21


Relaxing rules on indoor dining and other activities undermines vaccination efforts and gives a leg up to coronavirus variants.

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

Feb. 10, 2021, 3:00 p.m. ET

When reports emerged that a new, potentially more contagious version of the coronavirus was circulating in Britain, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo implored major airlines to require anyone entering the state from another country to first submit a negative coronavirus test. Scientists still had much to learn about the variant, but Mr. Cuomo was following a principle that has become scripture among public health experts: To defeat the coronavirus, you must act quickly. You cannot wait for certainty to arrive.

Today, we know much more about not only B.1.1.7, the so-called U.K. variant, but also several other variants that have since emerged. For instance, we know that B.1.1.7 is more contagious than its known siblings and that it is already in New York and other states. Experts warn that if not addressed carefully, B.1.1.7 could become the dominant version of the virus in the United States in a matter of months.

In light of this knowledge, Mr. Cuomo’s plan to reopen New York City restaurants for indoor dining on Feb. 14, at 25 percent capacity � and to soon relax other strictuures, like those for weddings � is baffling.

Thiis is a precarious moment in the fight against the coronavirus in the United States. Case counts are declining. The death rate is slowing down. The country finally has a president who takes the crisis seriously. The vaccination rollout has been a bumbling mess, but the situation is improving, and it will get better still: The Federal Emergency Management Agency has been activated to help administer shots, the Food and Drug Administration could authorize a third vaccine for emergency use by the end of this month, and President Biden is partnering with clinics in underserved communities to correct for early vaccination inequities.

In the meantime, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are pleading with the American public to strengthen its resolve on measures to reduce viral spread, like physical distancing, mask wearing and avoidance of settings where the virus is likely to spread most easily � think a restaurant’s dining room or a large, indoor wedding. The C.D.C. is also asking state leaders not to let up on closures and restrictions just yet.

Too many leaders � not just Mr. Cuomo � are ignorioring that call. Massachusetts and New Jersey are allowing businesses, including restaurants, to expand capacity for indoor services, and Iowa just lifted its mask mandate. The impulse behind these moves is understandable. Restaurants and the people who earn their living through them are in dire straits because they have not received sufficient government assistance. State and local economies are hanging by a thread, and everyone is exhausted by restrictions and desperate to return to some semblance of normal life.

But the number of people who get sick or die from Covid-19 in the coming year will depend on the outcome of a desperate race that’s underway, between human vaccination and viral mutation. State leaders should consider the dynamics of that race before they change course. Mutation is a function of viral reproduction, which is a function of viral spread. That is, the more the virus is allowed to pass from one person to the next, the more it is able to mutate. And the more it mutates, the greater the chances that it will evolve into something that is even more transmissible, or even less susceptible to existing vaccines, or even deadlier than the virus already is.

By relaxing restrictions now, state and local leaders are undermining their own vaccination efforts. To get a sense of what this looks like to scientists and public health experts, imagine a military general leading the fight against a foreign enemy � and then sellling that enemy deadly weapons on the side.

It’s not just their own efforts they are undermining. They are also thwarting their citizens who have been making collective sacrifices all along. Average people have spent the better part of the past year waiting for leaders to take charge. America finally has those leaders in place at the national level, but the nation needs better and more consistent leadership on this issue at the state level.

The decisions those leaders make in the coming weeks will determine whether America will finally crush this pandemic, or whether the pandemic will be allowed to crush America all over again.

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[mathjak107]

An interesting look by zdogg who is my first source for information

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oAqW2uyMDj0

[Hal]

Oh no, not again..... announced a few hours ago

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/de ... ctions.pdf

Guess we can look forward to this again -> https://www.rebelnews.com/sydney_man_violently_arrested

<edit> On a positive note, we went to the Ballarat Botanic Gardens before the midnight lockdown start. Great statues there. The one in the image is about 12 foot high including the pedestal. Highly recommend a visit!

What happened, they found 10 new cases?

Hilarious! Love it when Gerald Celente rants. Actually 3 cases according to him.

24 minute mark -> https://usawatchdog.com/currencies-will ... d-celente/

[barrett]

An interesting look by zdogg who is my first source for information

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oAqW2uyMDj0

Thanks for posting this. It should be noted that the video is from almost three months ago. I really wonder if the successes of small island nations like Iceland, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, etc., can translate to a country like the US that is massive both in terms of land area and population. We have roughly 1,000 as many people as Iceland so I'm not sure that contact tracing would actually even work here in the US. MJ, was there info in this video that was new to you? If so, I am curious what it was?

[mathjak107]

Iceland is an example of how we need to react and coordinate but on a larger scale .

None of our medical storage centers can communicate with each other to study data as an example ....there are few partnerships between these biotech companies and govt here ...

Our communication with the public sucks .

It was really just a wake up call for the untied states

[vnatale]

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‘It’s as if there’s no Covid’: Nepal defies pandemic amid a broken economy

Cases appear low and sports venues are packed, but protests are on the rise as jobs are lost and personal debt soars

https://amp.theguardian.com/global-deve ... en-economy