WiseOne wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:25 pm
[...] the vaccines aren't designed to stop viral infection or transmission. They're designed to control symptoms. The current definition of cases according to the press, Fauci, and the Democrats is a positive PCR test, regardless of symptoms. The PCR test will pick up small viral fragments, which you will have if you were vaccinated and then exposed.
I saw a doctor recently argue that the people who are testing positive for Covid even after being vaccinated may not actually be infectious. As you pointed out, if the PCR test has its cycle threshold set too high -- which it usually does -- it will pick up viral fragments even if there's no live virus present in the person.
The only way to know for sure if the test subject is infectious is to perform a viral culture, which they currently aren't doing. They just assume a positive PCR test result means the person is infectious. This likely leads to the incorrect conclusion that the vaccines are less effective than they really are.
We really have to look at it as the vaccines can still have some asymptomatic transmission..but that is not a problem ....yes ,someone can get it and test positive but the fact is the severity of the disease has been shown to to be way reduced that is passed along ...
Not being hospitalized and not dying are the real goals .
That is what is important .....the fact the data shows people are not being hospitalized or dying from asymptomatic transmission after being vaccinated as per dr Otif from the fda advisory committee who has to study all this data
mathjak107 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:20 pm
Not being hospitalized and not dying are the real goals .
Agreed. The hard part is convincing the media, governments, etc. that those are the real goals rather than “cases”. Instead, all they seem to focus on is cases, cases, cases...
And as WiseOne has pointed out numerous times, we’re not even using the correct, traditional definition of “case” for Covid. We’re using a much weaker definition that vastly inflates the numbers and makes it harder to have rational discussions about what’s actually happening.
Yes, I was also infected by someone who was presymptomatic (he developed symptoms the day after spending a weekend at our house, after which he took a Covid test that came back positive).
But I stand by my assertion that Covid "case" numbers were vastly inflated even before any vaccines became available. The PCR tests were using cycle thresholds of 40 or higher, when much lower thresholds of 26-28 are optimal for detecting live virus (i.e., infectivity). As a result, most of the positive PCR test results were likely from people who weren't actually infectious -- meaning they wouldn't transmit the virus to you, your wife, or anyone else.
Everything went as planned. Bailouts and downsizing blamed on Covid-84 and not Wall St like last time. Voting rules stretched to get a huge mail-in turnout and unseat trump.
^ Comments like those on reddit used to be just funny, now its people like that enabling the politicians who made small business and normal social behavior illegal. Libtards have been weaponized.
Not going to jump to the conclusion that it was triggered solely by the vaccination but this sentence got my attention....
"The incident occurred approximately 25 minutes after he was vaccinated, and following the required 15 minute observation period where he exhibited no adverse reactions or any distress," reads an emailed statement sent to Fox News.
I've had quite a number of vaccines over the course of my life including for polio and the flu but I don't recall there ever being a 15 minute observation period afterward, or even ANY observation period. So what's up with that?
These vaccines are released on an emergency basis , not the typical full trials spanning years
I got the Pfizer vaccine yesterday. As I figured would happen, my institution started ratcheting up the pressure and I couldn't delay any longer.
I'm glad I did delay, because we now know that autoimmune disorders can be triggered, possibly life threatening or permanently disabling, in addition to the well-known allergic reactions. I am NOT advising this for anyone here but I decided to blunt my immune response by premedicating with ibuprofen, and then continue taking it round the clock for 2 days. I'm not having any problems except for the usual soreness at the injection site, which is not as bad as what I've experienced in the past. I'm also going to try to avoid getting the second shot - simply delaying may be enough because inevitably they're going to run out of shots and decide to limit people to just one. But if I have to do it I plan to premedicate with a combo of meds including prednisone (a low dose just once, on the day of the appointment). (I should have done that for this shot but I didn't think of it until too late...oops!)
I also have a history of severe allergic reactions, so I got a special sticker saying I had to wait around for 30 minutes after the shot, instead of the usual 15 minutes. You can always opt to do that, and in fact I suggest to anyone here to increase the time to an hour. I also made sure someone at the vaccine site was equipped with an Epi-pen.
Hope this is helpful for people....again, I am NOT advising anyone to premedicate. You have to balance your risks & benefits and decide where your biggest risk lies. There's also no data whatsoever on how the blunting effect of anti-inflammatory premedication would affect either the serious adverse effects or the immunity produced. It's all based on studies done with prior vaccines (which by definition were not mRNA) plus some basic medical knowledge & logic.
Whenever I got the flu shot (haven't in >5 years) I would feel crappy and have a light fever for 1-2 days. I figured it wasn't worth it so stopped getting it.
Same thing happened with the two dose shingles shot.
I expect the same with the Covid shots.
WiseOne, or anyone -- does having such a reaction mean anything positive or negative vs. people who have little to no reaction?
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:26 am
Whenever I got the flu shot (haven't in >5 years) I would feel crappy and have a light fever for 1-2 days. I figured it wasn't worth it so stopped getting it.
I get the same thing. The worst was the nasal mist flu vaccine.
I got sick a year ago (after getting the flu vaccine), so I either had corona, or the flu vaccine jacked me up when I got it AND failed to protecc.
Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:34 am
I got sick a year ago (after getting the flu vaccine), so I either had corona, or the flu vaccine jacked me up when I got it AND failed to protecc.
Another possibility is that your sickness a year ago may have been due to a common cold virus rather than the flu or the 'rona.
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:26 am
Whenever I got the flu shot (haven't in >5 years) I would feel crappy and have a light fever for 1-2 days. I figured it wasn't worth it so stopped getting it.
I get the same thing. The worst was the nasal mist flu vaccine.
I got sick a year ago (after getting the flu vaccine), so I either had corona, or the flu vaccine jacked me up when I got it AND failed to protecc.
The last time I was sick was about 19 years ago in the Army from the "flu shot" or whatever they were giving. That's also the last time I got a flu shot.
mathjak107 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:31 am
I don’t have to look at his lying egocentric face anymore
Must you always sugar coat everything, MJ?
Was this the first time mathjak actually expressed a political view? I seemed to have told myself just recently that I'd not remembered mathjak ever having commented on any political matters.
Above provided by: Vinny, who always says: "I only regret that I have but one lap to give to my cats." AND "I'm a more-is-more person."
MangoMan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:29 am
WiseOne, I don't remember anyone saying not to take ibuprofen or acetaminophen after my injection. In fact, Fauci even said in some video that the flu-like symptoms could easily be mitigated with anti-inflammatories. Is there data that shows the vaccine would be less effective if you took ibu the next day?
Based on studies with prior, non-mRNA vaccines, anything anti-inflammatory taken peri-injection could blunt the immune response. Per the CDC, taking NSAIDs for vaccine-induced symptoms is ok, but those wouldn't be noticeable until several hours afterward. By then, the mRNA strands are supposedly mostly degraded. Although, I found some info that it takes a couple of days for the injected mRNA to be completely gone, so the timing of peri-injection vs post-injection is not exactly clear. It's also not known whether the mRNA vaccines are different in this regard from traditional vaccines.
Yet another issue with this rushed vaccine process. Bottom line is, we simply don't know. Of course the CDC said it was ok to medicate symptoms away, because if they said otherwise a lot more people might refuse the vaccine given its high rate of disabling side effects.
I remember reading somewhere that the entire universe was calculated to be contained in something the size of a marble at the time of the big bang. Just needed a catalyst I guess.
Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:48 pm
Just wait until they activate the nanomolecules and turn everyone into fast zombies!
I now have a third ear, and only 2 weeks after the first shot. I wonder what is to come? But my hearing has drastically improved. I can now hear conspiracy theories in Mandarin as well as English.
DNA has its own language (code), and language requires intelligence. There is no known mechanism by which matter can give birth to information, let alone language. It is unreasonable to believe the world could have happened by chance.
When hospitalized with the coronavirus in October, his blood oxygen levels had plunged and officials feared he was on the verge of being placed on a ventilator.