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Simonjester wrote:
it doesn't take much, rub the bar back and forth a couple times, wash and rinse.
the quantity and time are variables, adjust till the results suit you......

and this is a weird derail LOL


On top of that....and to make your example even more valid.....unless you are undergoing certain conditions which does get your hair dirty each day...there is no need to wash it every day...just getting the hot water on it is enough. How did I ever get by in my much younger elementary school days when my hair only got washed that one day of the week when I got a bath in the bathtub (my pre-shower days).

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vnatale wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:03 pm
Simonjester wrote: it doesn't take much, rub the bar back and forth a couple times, wash and rinse.
the quantity and time are variables, adjust till the results suit you......

and this is a weird derail LOL
On top of that....and to make your example even more valid.....unless you are undergoing certain conditions which does get your hair dirty each day...there is no need to wash it every day...just getting the hot water on it is enough. How did I ever get by in my much younger elementary school days when my hair only got washed that one day of the week when I got a bath in the bathtub (my pre-shower days).

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I haven't washed my hair or skin with soap...(except hands when removing oil or grease) in over a decade. I also don't wear deodorant. Lol
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Genetics experts worry coronavirus vaccines might not work quite as well against UK variant

Well Fu**.....Lol. Outsmarted by a virus.


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doodle wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:44 pm
I haven't washed my hair or skin with soap...(except hands when removing oil or grease) in over a decade. I also don't wear deodorant. Lol
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ditto on no antiperspirant (another thing for the list )
cant get away w/o soap though..

You really can. It takes a few weeks maybe a month until your skin and hair rebalance...they are producing excess oils now because of the daily chemical assault they are undergoing. I used to have breakouts until maybe my mid twenties....then it suddenly dawned on me that I was creating the conditions that gave rise to acne. Stopped washing with soap..just water...and havent had a single skin issue since. Never need moisturizer either, even in winter. On top of that, nothing smells (at least my girlfriend or friends don't complain) unless I'm in Florida in July...then you have to take three or four showers a day if you're active. Your skin is like your gut. It's covered in microbiotics. When you wash with soap you destroy this microbiome in the same way that you do to your intestines when you take antibiotics. If you gotta use soap...crack and balls only.
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doodle wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:01 pm
ditto on no antiperspirant (another thing for the list )
cant get away w/o soap though..
You really can. It takes a few weeks maybe a month until your skin and hair rebalance...they are producing excess oils now because of the daily chemical assault they are undergoing. I used to have breakouts until maybe my mid twenties....then it suddenly dawned on me that I was creating the conditions that gave rise to acne. Stopped washing with soap..just water...and havent had a single skin issue since. Never need moisturizer either, even in winter. On top of that, nothing smells (at least my girlfriend or friends don't complain) unless I'm in Florida in July...then you have to take three or four showers a day if you're active. Your skin is like your gut. It's covered in microbiotics. When you wash with soap you destroy this microbiome in the same way that you do to your intestines when you take antibiotics. If you gotta use soap...crack and balls only.
work around grease, dirt, and people so probably not...
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not that it isn't the kind of thing i would experiment with under different circumstances..
True, grease is a tough one. Anything automotive is challenging. Gloves, pants and long sleeves. I wasn't in it everyday. Sawdust and mud no problem though I found.
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Simonjester wrote:
doodle wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:44 pm
vnatale wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:03 pm
Simonjester wrote:
it doesn't take much, rub the bar back and forth a couple times, wash and rinse.
the quantity and time are variables, adjust till the results suit you......

and this is a weird derail LOL


On top of that....and to make your example even more valid.....unless you are undergoing certain conditions which does get your hair dirty each day...there is no need to wash it every day...just getting the hot water on it is enough. How did I ever get by in my much younger elementary school days when my hair only got washed that one day of the week when I got a bath in the bathtub (my pre-shower days).

Vinny


I haven't washed my hair or skin with soap...(except hands when removing oil or grease) in over a decade. I also don't wear deodorant. Lol

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ditto on no antiperspirant (another thing for the list )
cant get away w/o soap though..


Triple on the deodorant / antiperspirant....I stopped needing it after I changed my diet. My believe it was dropping dairy, completing the no animals products in to my body. But I assume that was not the same case / reason for either of you.

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doodle wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:01 pm
ditto on no antiperspirant (another thing for the list )
cant get away w/o soap though..
You really can. It takes a few weeks maybe a month until your skin and hair rebalance...they are producing excess oils now because of the daily chemical assault they are undergoing. I used to have breakouts until maybe my mid twenties....then it suddenly dawned on me that I was creating the conditions that gave rise to acne. Stopped washing with soap..just water...and havent had a single skin issue since. Never need moisturizer either, even in winter. On top of that, nothing smells (at least my girlfriend or friends don't complain) unless I'm in Florida in July...then you have to take three or four showers a day if you're active. Your skin is like your gut. It's covered in microbiotics. When you wash with soap you destroy this microbiome in the same way that you do to your intestines when you take antibiotics. If you gotta use soap...crack and balls only.
You have got me now into true confessions mode.

I came home from my office in mid-office and have never gone back since. From that day going forward I wore the exact same clothes every day and never washed a single part of my body (except for my hands when hand washing dishes). The same clothes while doing 2 1/2 hours of exercise three days a week. No body odor. I also did some work which had me standing bare feet in used kitty litter. Still no washing any parts of my body. Since mid-March I've basically been pushing limits, seeing far how I can go with certain things.

The no washing stopped in early June (almost three months later) when a certain condition developed on my body. Got a doctor's telemedicine appointment that day. Took the pills prescribed and the two ointments that were prescribed in that appointment and a follow up appointment. The condition completely went away. But it scared me to death when I first noticed its appearance.

Since that first visit with the first doctor I have missed only one day since of taking a shower. But after tonight's discussion starting tomorrow I will shower without shampoo or soap and see what happens. Being in the house all the time I just do not get dirty. My hands would be about the only thing that could possibly get dirty and they'll get taken of with the daily hand washing of a sink full of dishes.

I'll report back if I felt the need to go back to either shampoo or soap or both.

Vinny
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The only need for soap or shampoo is if you literally have to remove some type of industrial greasy grime off of your body. Dirt or sweat or whatever washes of with water just fine. You can look up no soap no shampoo on internet and find plenty of information. You can also look up AO Biome for information about a company that has done quite a bit of research into the skins microbiota and how having the correct skin bacteria naturally eliminates the odor issue many people have that causes them to have to use deodorant.

You skin and hair produce natural oils that will fall into equilibrium once you stop assaulting them with detergents on a daily basis. Sometimes there is an adjustment period of some weeks as this happens where they will continue to overproduce.

It's mind boggling that we have billion dollar industries that produce products that strip our skin and hair of natural protective coatings which often leads to dry, dull, skin and hair. To combat this self inflicted issue people then go out and buy more products filled with all sorts of weird chemicals which they then procede to slather all over themselves.
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I guess the next bit of glorious advice we will be enchanted with is, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, ........ here it is:

Who needs toilet paper? I've been avoiding it for years. But I just don't understand why I can't find a girlfriend who will date me more than one time. >:D
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Mountaineer wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:55 am I guess the next bit of glorious advice we will be enchanted with is, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, ........ here it is:

Who needs toilet paper? I've been avoiding it for years. But I just don't understand why I can't find a girlfriend who will date me more than one time. >:D
Well, if we were really civilized and had bidets like our cousins across the pond.....

To me this is one of the strongest pieces of evidence against the existence of god. No thoughtful intelligent creator would design a dog's butt so it can poop without any further cleanup, while we require so much additional effort.
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MangoMan wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:03 am Funny that you guys are talking about not using soap in a thread about covid, which we have been told the #1 thing to do is wash your hands.

I can tell you that if I didn't shower and use soap and shampoo and deodorant, I would not have any patients. Maybe your line of work allows you to get away with that, but mine certainly doesn't.
LOL
just to clarify i am not against washing hands, or showering, or using soap, (although experimenting with no soap showering might be interesting if i had no line of work)
shampoo ( an unnecessary extra type of soap for men) and anti antiperspirant (perspiration is a useful natural function, why gum it up with chemistry) both qualify for the list of illogical nonsense "imho"
deodorant is in the mostly unnecessary category, if you eat healthy and bathe you probably won't develop odors that need to be covered up or removed chemically, or much of any odor at all. adding a dab of cologne for social reasons (smelling pretty for the lady's) is a different return on investment calculation...
It's even worse. Soap kills off the good bacteria that allows the smelly bacteria to proliferate.

It's a staple of the modern morning routine: Wake up, hop in the shower, lather with soap.

But is that morning scrub-a-dub really necessary?

One man claims not. David Whitlock, a chemical engineer in Boston, has not showered for 12 years.

Whitlock isn't running an experiment in extreme water conservation. Rather, he believes that humans don't need to shower to be healthy, and that a daily soap scrub may actually remove a beneficial type of bacteria that keeps the bacteria that contribute to B.O. in check.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/this-ma ... a3486efee
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doodle wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:50 am The only need for soap or shampoo is if you literally have to remove some type of industrial greasy grime off of your body. Dirt or sweat or whatever washes of with water just fine. You can look up no soap no shampoo on internet and find plenty of information. You can also look up AO Biome for information about a company that has done quite a bit of research into the skins microbiota and how having the correct skin bacteria naturally eliminates the odor issue many people have that causes them to have to use deodorant.

You skin and hair produce natural oils that will fall into equilibrium once you stop assaulting them with detergents on a daily basis. Sometimes there is an adjustment period of some weeks as this happens where they will continue to overproduce.

It's mind boggling that we have billion dollar industries that produce products that strip our skin and hair of natural protective coatings which often leads to dry, dull, skin and hair. To combat this self inflicted issue people then go out and buy more products filled with all sorts of weird chemicals which they then procede to slather all over themselves.
Did my first no soap, no shampoo shower this morning. No doubt I'm clean. But I just felt my "fine" hair and, perhaps, it feels "flatter" than usual? But not an issue of concern so I will continue using neither until that time that I actually get dirty, which is rare for me due to my lifestyle, especially when it it winter.

Vinny
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Simonjester wrote:
MangoMan wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:03 am
Funny that you guys are talking about not using soap in a thread about covid, which we have been told the #1 thing to do is wash your hands.

I can tell you that if I didn't shower and use soap and shampoo and deodorant, I would not have any patients. Maybe your line of work allows you to get away with that, but mine certainly doesn't.

LOL
just to clarify i am not against washing hands, or showering, or using soap, (although experimenting with no soap showering might be interesting if i had no line of work)
shampoo ( an unnecessary extra type of soap for men) and anti antiperspirant (perspiration is a useful natural function, why gum it up with chemistry) both qualify for the list of illogical nonsense "imho"
deodorant is in the mostly unnecessary category, if you eat healthy and bathe you probably won't develop odors that need to be covered up or removed chemically, or much of any odor at all. adding a dab of cologne for social reasons (smelling pretty for the lady's) is a different return on investment calculation...


I am well aware of any odors emanating from my body. At one point several years ago it was so intense one night while sweating profusely as I was playing basketball, I went back to using soap...but still no deodorant. But the odors subsided considerably once I greatly modified my diet in late 2015.
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personal experience has been similar ..
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The latest for what is now going on in Massachusetts....

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With COVID-19 numbers expected to rise over holidays, Gov. Baker tightens capacity limits again

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/with- ... r-BB1c9ctZ


Fearing that the holiday season could fuel an explosion of COVID-19 cases that the state's health care system would not be able to handle, Gov. Charlie Baker on Tuesday announced new restrictions that seek to limit the number of people in most businesses, public spaces, and private homes for at least two weeks after Christmas.

Starting Saturday and running until at least noon on Jan. 10, restaurants, movie theaters, performance venues, casinos, offices, places of worship, retail businesses, fitness centers, health clubs, libraries, golf facilities, driving and flight schools, arcades, museums, and "sectors not otherwise addressed" must limit their customer capacity to a maximum of 25 percent.

The capacity limits were part of an under an emergency order Baker issued Tuesday.

The limit for outdoor gatherings will be lowered from 50 to 25, and the limit for indoor gatherings -- including events and public spaces -- will be 10, which matches the limit for indoor gatherings at private residences. Unless it would risk the patient's health, all hospitals must also postpone or cancel all non-essential inpatient elective invasive procedures beginning Saturday.

Baker said the idea behind his newest restrictions, which which will be layered on top of the existing orders he has already issued, is to "pause activity and reduce mobility" for the two weeks immediately following Christmas in an attempt to prevent a significant increase in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations that could undermine the state's hospital systems.



As of Monday, the seven-day average number of new COVID-19 cases in Massachusetts was 3,489 -- that's up 90 percent from the seven-day average of 1,837 cases as of Nov. 8, the date Baker highlighted in his order. The seven-day weighted average of the positive test rate was 5.94 percent as of Monday, compared to 2.7 percent on Nov. 8. Since Thanksgiving, the number of people requiring hospital care for COVID-19 in Massachusetts has more than doubled from 986 patients to 1,991 patients.

"Our hospitals are now under significant pressure and we're heading toward another period, this holiday stretch, where we're likely to see another significant increase in cases and hospitalizations unless everybody plays a very different game than the one we all played at Thanksgiving," Baker said. "As a result, we think it's appropriate to take action now to slow that spread. And we must do so in a way that can avoid overriding our hospital system."
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Increase humidity?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahbinder ... 3fff4a6c49

Also ties into improving ventilation in buildings to reduce spread of airborne pathogens.
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"What if instead of a vaccine we just were able to get exposed to a weak version of the virus that enabled us to build the antibodies we need to fight the real thing"

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 4718113794

What a splendid idea. Call it something like Viral Antibody Calibrated Creation via INnocuous Exposure.

Although might need to abbreviate that somehow
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Dieter wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:25 am "What if instead of a vaccine we just were able to get exposed to a weak version of the virus that enabled us to build the antibodies we need to fight the real thing"

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 4718113794

What a splendid idea. Call it something like Viral Antibody Calibrated Creation via INnocuous Exposure.

Although might need to abbreviate that somehow
I like where you are going with this :)

Cracks me up though, when people propose that the vaccine provides better immunity than infection.
And while the vaccine is likely not as risky as infection. We're just rolling the dice.
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Why shouldn't I get the same 'good citizen' points for trying to get infected as someone who volunteers for a vaccine.
Am I not doing my part to stem the tide? At great personal sacrifice.
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Cloth mask pansy here. Since my reputation is already ruined O0 I don’t mind pointing out that yes, not only are there men’s formula shampoos, but there are also beard shampoos.

You probably shouldn’t wash your face with soap as it can clog your pores. Purpose from Johnson & Johnson is a good cleanser with minimal junk it in it.

Soap might also clog your scalp more than shampoo would- I’m not sure. I used to use Dr Bronner’s peppermint soap for everything.
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dualstow wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:52 pm Cloth mask pansy here. Since my reputation is already ruined O0 I don’t mind pointing out that yes, not only are there men’s formula shampoos, but there are also beard shampoos.

You probably shouldn’t wash your face with soap as it can clog your pores. Purpose from Johnson & Johnson is a good cleanser with minimal junk it in it.

Soap might also clog your scalp more than shampoo would- I’m not sure. I used to use Dr Bronner’s peppermint soap for everything.
I just completed day two of no shampoo or soap.

Entire body feels clean. Beard feels clean. But, again, while the hair feels clean it is also flat. But no real issue. Just a distinct difference from not using shampoo.

By the way, my hot water is heated to 120 degrees and I'm fairly close to using the hot water straight with little cold water mixed in.

I'm a big baby when it comes to feeling cold in any way but, in general, I'm almost in all ways say, "Bring on the heat!"

75.9 in this room with my two feet on the 100 watt foot warmer.

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I don't do this anymore, but I tried washing my hair with an egg yolk for awhile.

It's a pain in the neck to separate an egg before your shower, but it works extremely well and has zero soap. The lecithin in the yolk is an emulsifier and binds the fat in your hair to the shower water. Basically it makes mayonnaise out of your scalp grease, which just rinses out with the shower water. Don't use super hot water or you'll end up with cooked egg in your hair.
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Mark Leavy wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:34 pm I don't do this anymore, but I tried washing my hair with an egg yolk for awhile.

It's a pain in the neck to separate an egg before your shower, but it works extremely well and has zero soap. The lecithin in the yolk is an emulsifier and binds the fat in your hair to the shower water. Basically it makes mayonnaise out of your scalp grease, which just rinses out with the shower water. Don't use super hot water or you'll end up with cooked egg in your hair.
Interesting. You can buy egg yolk lecithin in powder form, either loose or in capsules. It's expensive, but I wonder if that would work.

I've tried using shampoo bars but they leave a ton of crud in my hair that has to washed out with a clarifying shampoo. I've also tried a bunch of "no-poo" alternatives but they either didn't clean my hair or they left a lot of buildup. I guess long hair is a whole different ball game from a typical guy haircut. With really short hair, I bet just plain water with some scrubbing in the shower might even work just fine.
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WiseOne wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2020 9:21 pm Interesting. You can buy egg yolk lecithin in powder form, either loose or in capsules. It's expensive, but I wonder if that would work.
Now you've got me curious to try the powder form. I just added some to my Amazon cart and next time I'm near a locker I'll pick some up.

I'll report back. For science.
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I was thinking which industry has most vested interest in getting covid mortality correct without the virtue signal.

Life insurance. Premiums have not increased.

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