Coronavirus General Discussion

[Xan]

Ivor Cummins videos do the same thing, but you don't have to sign up for anything. He's also put out a whitepaper on the topic - you can download from his website.

I don't see it, WiseOne, do you have a link?

[Cortopassi]

And, interested to see just how the media will punish Texas and Mississippi for reopening. I'm sure they have a plan.

Finally, a real, somewhat controlled, not half assed measures experiment. I look forward, hopefully, to not seeing any spike in deaths or cases in Texas and seeing the gyrations made to explain it away. CNN (of which, like other news sources, I cannot watch for more than about 3 minutes at a time) had every prime time anchor lead with the death and destruction Texas is going to unleash on their citizens by doing this.

Conversely, if there is a rise, that's valuable info too.

[WiseOne]

Ivor Cummins videos do the same thing, but you don't have to sign up for anything. He's also put out a whitepaper on the topic - you can download from his website.

I don't see it, WiseOne, do you have a link?

Here it is. Buried in the blog section.

https://thefatemperor.com/science-and-d ... -stand-up/

[Xan]

Ivor Cummins videos do the same thing, but you don't have to sign up for anything. He's also put out a whitepaper on the topic - you can download from his website.

I don't see it, WiseOne, do you have a link?

Here it is. Buried in the blog section.

https://thefatemperor.com/science-and-d ... -stand-up/

Thanks! Unfortunately it doesn't address masking.

[WiseOne]

Ivor Cummins videos do the same thing, but you don't have to sign up for anything. He's also put out a whitepaper on the topic - you can download from his website.

I don't see it, WiseOne, do you have a link?

Here it is. Buried in the blog section.

https://thefatemperor.com/science-and-d ... -stand-up/

Thanks! Unfortunately it doesn't address masking.

Yes, it's super simplified. I think he includes masking is part of the lockdown mentality. His goal here is to go after the high yield stuff. Masking is a barrier to going outside that adds to the stress & negative effects of lockdowns, and it most certainly has negative effects on people who don't do well breathing in a lot of CO2, but that's about it. Although, health effects from long-term mask wearing could end up being quite significant. No one's studying it though.

[Cortopassi]

Ivor Cummins videos do the same thing, but you don't have to sign up for anything. He's also put out a whitepaper on the topic - you can download from his website.

I don't see it, WiseOne, do you have a link?

Here it is. Buried in the blog section.

https://thefatemperor.com/science-and-d ... -stand-up/

WiseOne,

Cummins had this statement in the PDF, which I believe was limited to Ireland: Apart from the very short, fast spike in Covid19 deaths in April when the virus was new, overall mortality for the year 2020 has not been any higher than previous years

--Do you agree or disagree that was not the case for the US? That the CDC excess mortality graph absolutely shows excess deaths, and the latest finding from this is US life expectancy went down because of it as well?

And I am just trying to compare apples to apples here -- his chart which shows similar death rates to previous years (below) specifically says only through Sept. I assume previous years are full year's worth of data? Or do you think he pulled 3 months worth of deaths out of the previous years? Otherwise he is comparing 100% full year data to 75% for 2020, which would be BS if done on purpose, and I assume he is not that sloppy.

[Hal]

Oh well.......

More of the same. State of Emergency extended until Christmas 2021 in Victoria.
But children will get 1/2 price fines - that's positive

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 576zs.html

[WiseOne]

Oh well.......

More of the same. State of Emergency extended until Christmas 2021 in Victoria.
But children will get 1/2 price fines - that's positive

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 576zs.html

I figured that lockdowns won't be officially relaxed here until next spring i.e. a year from now. I guess this reflects that same line of thought.

[Cortopassi]

WiseOne, do you not have data to answer the graph question, or do you have me on ignore? Just wondering

I'm not saying you do, all I am trying to get across is I take ALL stuff Covid with a grain of salt, both the ok to open 100% and the we have to be masked for 2 more years.

It's somewhere in the middle. Everyone gets vested in their positions, esp. when they are well known.

[WiseOne]

WiseOne, do you not have data to answer the graph question, or do you have me on ignore? Just wondering

I'm not saying you do, all I am trying to get across is I take ALL stuff Covid with a grain of salt, both the ok to open 100% and the we have to be masked for 2 more years.

It's somewhere in the middle. Everyone gets vested in their positions, esp. when they are well known.

No time to do a deep dive into data except as part of one of my 3 jobs (as a professor, Alzheimer's caregiver, and business manager for a commercial real estate holding).

I really can't do much more than make somewhat thoughtful comments these days. Sorry.

[I Shrugged]

Oh well.......

More of the same. State of Emergency extended until Christmas 2021 in Victoria.
But children will get 1/2 price fines - that's positive

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 576zs.html

I’m dying to see what happens in Victoria after this is over. Election results and such.

[pp4me]

Oh well.......

More of the same. State of Emergency extended until Christmas 2021 in Victoria.
But children will get 1/2 price fines - that's positive

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 576zs.html

I’m dying to see what happens in Victoria after this is over. Election results and such.

I followed one of the links in that article and found this....

Victoria recorded no new local cases of coronavirus on Sunday, with the number of active cases falling to 15.

Say what?

[Cortopassi]

FYI. Yeah! Not sure my daughter and her friends will be thrilled, but it is about time.

[Kriegsspiel]

I love how Hal is taking this on the stiff upper lip.

[vnatale]

Autopsies May Explain 'Brain Fog' From COVIDhttps://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210217/autops ... 34668036#1

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[pp4me]

https://www.axios.com/cdc-ease-mask-man ... a523a.html

CDC: Easing mask mandates led to higher COVID cases and deaths

That's the headline but read the whole story and follow the links and you will discover that they are talking about a 1% difference - and according to the actual report there is a 5% margin of error - in other words no statistical difference.

No wonder people are skeptical.

[I Shrugged]

Yes I read it that lifting of mask mandates caused a 1 to 2 percent increase in cases, and the same for in person dining. And they are reporting that as “significant”.

I actually hoped masking was reasonably worthwhile.

[whatchamacallit]

CDC: More than 100 pet dogs, cats have had COVID-19 in the US

https://www.king5.com/article/news/heal ... a7dc52d915

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... /pets.html

Do not put a mask on pets. Masks could harm your pet

I don't even know what to make of this. It has to be a joke.



This sounds so absurd.100? Really? Can't be true cases. There would be at least 1 million if it was real. They probably would have had more positives from pinecones.

If people believe this, then the next thing is digital covid tests.

Your bank account received a penny that came in close contact. Your account must be quarantined for two weeks or maybe even extinguished completely to stop the spread.

[WiseOne]

Seriously. 100 pets? That's easily explained by even the most conservative estimate of false positives from a COVID test. Clinically....there is not a lot known about pet diseases already, so how could anyone know what COVID infection might look like in a cat?

Anyone who actually thinks that "normal" will be restored anytime soon is kidding themselves. The narrative has gained a life of its own. 1% with a +/- 5% margin of error is significant when it comes to COVID? The false positive rate of the tests alone will give you that.

Right now, COVID is excellent cover for the Democrats to push through their legislative agenda, given what the COVID19 relief bill actually consists of (hint: >90% of it has nothing to do with COVID). They won't be in a hurry to give up that advantage.

[pp4me]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... d=msedgdhp

CDC Says Vaccinated People Can Gather Privately Without Masks

Has anyone here been to any private gatherings during COVID where people were wearing masks?

I haven't and I've been to a good number of private gatherings since the whole thing started.

So is this just me or is the CDC completely out of touch with reality?

[Tortoise]

So is this just me or is the CDC completely out of touch with reality?

Believe it or not, many Americans still hang on every word out of the mouths of our federal health authorities.

The other day I came across the Twitter account of someone I knew back in college. She's a writing lecturer at a prominent university now. Apparently both she and her parents have been fully vaccinated. One of her most recent tweets was in response to a video clip of Fauci a few days ago where he said that people who have been fully vaccinated can gather together without masks -- apparently echoing the CDC's new guidance you mentioned.

My acquaintance's comment on Fauci's video clip was, to paraphrase, "I sent this to my parents today with tears of joy!"

You see, the fact that both she and her parents have been fully vaccinated wasn't enough to make her decide it was okay to meet up with her parents without a mask. She needed Fauci's approval. And now she has it!

[Mountaineer]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... d=msedgdhp

CDC Says Vaccinated People Can Gather Privately Without Masks

Has anyone here been to any private gatherings during COVID where people were wearing masks?

I haven't and I've been to a good number of private gatherings since the whole thing started.

So is this just me or is the CDC completely out of touch with reality?

A1 - Yes, pretty much all my wife and/or I have attended.

A2 - I don’t know. I tend not to think there is an abundance of truth in most government or media reports.

[pp4me]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... d=msedgdhp

CDC Says Vaccinated People Can Gather Privately Without Masks

Has anyone here been to any private gatherings during COVID where people were wearing masks?

I haven't and I've been to a good number of private gatherings since the whole thing started.

So is this just me or is the CDC completely out of touch with reality?

A1 - Yes, pretty much all my wife and/or I have attended.

A2 - I don’t know. I tend not to think there is an abundance of truth in most government or media reports.

I think it was around last June when my wife's niece came to visit us along with her young son and, unbeknownst to us beforehand, she brought 4 other people with her. Not only did nobody wear a mask but they brought a feast of crabs with them and everyone was dipping into one shared butter dish. I was thinking this is really f**king crazy but what was I going to do - kick them all out of the house? Then they all went out to the Hard Rock casino and returned around 3 AM. The whole thing kind of pissed me off actually but I survived and I even shared the butter dish before I realized what I was doing.

Also stayed in a cabin in Georgia and in a condo in Orlando with groups of people with nobody wearing masks at all.

[Kriegsspiel]

I think it was around last June when my wife's niece came to visit us along with her young son and, . . . they all went out to the Hard Rock casino and returned around 3 AM.

So when you say young son...

BTW, crabs are covid-preventative. Chow down!