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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by SomeDude » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:03 am

pugchief wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:47 am
Xan wrote:
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US death rates are plummeting. The pandemic is ending.
I have to think that this third surge that's ending is the last one: what with the vaccine and pretty much everybody doing pretty much normal things, seems like we must be onto the endemic background infection rate from here. Right?
Unless you live in a blue state. You people who live in TX or FL have no idea of how repressive it still is in CA, NY, IL, etc., so the state of the pandemic/endemic is moot if the restrictions continue, IMO.
When you're ready PG come down to FL. I live in a blue city in a purple county and as far as i can tell there are no restrictions. No masks on the ladies in hooters sat and packed churches and restaurants yesterday. A few masked families at church and only some of the wait staff masked at brunch.....jam packed.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:03 am

pugchief wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:47 am

Xan wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:46 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:43 pm

US death rates are plummeting. The pandemic is ending.


I have to think that this third surge that's ending is the last one: what with the vaccine and pretty much everybody doing pretty much normal things, seems like we must be onto the endemic background infection rate from here. Right?


Unless you live in a blue state. You people who live in TX or FL have no idea of how repressive it still is in CA, NY, IL, etc., so the state of the pandemic/endemic is moot if the restrictions continue, IMO.


I definitely live in a blue state - Massachusetts - and I'm not at all feeling the repression.

I've many times here reported my experiences with mask mandates and then the degree of compliance and enforcement.

This past Saturday night I also went to a music venue in Hartford, Connecticut. Could have been 10,000 people there?

Seemed like a low number of people were wearing masks by choice...but otherwise it all felt quite normal.

And, again at my two softball games yesterday...plus watching another game in between our two...while we were all supposed to be wearing masks in our bench area....almost no one was. Certainly no one on my team...even though we have two players who had recently been out for two week due to having had Covid.

Finally...during the last several weeks I've been spending extended periods of time - anywhere from 10 straight hours to nearly 15 straight hours - with people who are unvaccinated. My understanding is that they are more at risk from me than me from them?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:01 am

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Somebody (Bangladesh) actually did a controlled study recently. They concluded that surgical face masks caused a statistically significant (but not particularly huge) decrease in spread. Zero for cloth face masks.
11%, if you scroll back a few posts. For surgical masks only. My guess is that this was barely statistically significant, and in order to get that, they probably had to tweak the data & statistical test method.

Masks operate like a portable sneeze shield and that's about it. And btw that number agrees very well with the studies that WHO did of mask wearing to limit flu transmission prior to the pandemic. They did a meta-analysis, and concluded that it did not make sense to recommend community mask wearing. That's why initially, there was no such recommendation in the COVID pandemic. The mask mandates were purely political and had nothing to do with "the science."
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:39 pm

pugchief wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:47 am
Xan wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:46 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:43 pm
US death rates are plummeting. The pandemic is ending.
I have to think that this third surge that's ending is the last one: what with the vaccine and pretty much everybody doing pretty much normal things, seems like we must be onto the endemic background infection rate from here. Right?
Unless you live in a blue state. You people who live in TX or FL have no idea of how repressive it still is in CA, NY, IL, etc., so the state of the pandemic/endemic is moot if the restrictions continue, IMO.
I believe what you think Texas is has been greatly exaggerated. Sure the governor outlawed mask mandates. But cities like Dallas have ignored his order. So as of now the major cities here still have mask mandates in all schools and businesses. And even in my suburban city which doesn't have mask mandates, I still estimate 65% of people are wearing them regardless. This morning I went to the dog park and there was a man sitting off by himself with nobody within 25 yards of him and he was wearing a medical mask. The media likes to portray Texas as Trump country but it is anything but.

As an aside, now that I work from home I rarely have to drive very far on any given day. I probably stay within a 2-3 sq mile radius on a daily basis. But there is not one single solitary day that within that 2-3 sq mile radius that I do not see a California license plate!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:42 pm

pugchief wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:47 am
Xan wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:46 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:43 pm
US death rates are plummeting. The pandemic is ending.
I have to think that this third surge that's ending is the last one: what with the vaccine and pretty much everybody doing pretty much normal things, seems like we must be onto the endemic background infection rate from here. Right?
Unless you live in a blue state. You people who live in TX or FL have no idea of how repressive it still is in CA, NY, IL, etc., so the state of the pandemic/endemic is moot if the restrictions continue, IMO.
Pug, is this all about masking with you?

Dropping any previous failures of companies, restaurants, bars, etc, due to lockdowns, where are we repressed in IL?

--See the pic below, BGHS football game Friday. Masks? No. Distancing? No.
--Going to a play at the school Wed. Indoors. Masking, Yes. Distancing, no.
--No capacity restrictions that I can find anywhere/any places I use.
--Once sitting in a restaurant, no mask.
---One more thing, the reporting (averaging about once every couple days) of a positive covid case at the high school, at this point is seriously ho hum, no big deal, if you are vaccinated don't worry about anything. (Text starts out: This letter is to inform you that three individuals at Buffalo Grove High School have tested positive for COVID-19. The individuals were last in the building on 9-17-21, 9-20-21, and 9-21-21 respectfully. Individuals who are fully vaccinated and remain asymptomatic are not required to quarantine. )

So what, I gotta carry a mask for some places?

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by SomeDude » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:58 pm

Yeah PG. So what if the government is just forcing you to put something on your face before you voluntarily enter other people's private private property with their consent and with other people doing it voluntarily. I mean so what? I'm sure it will stop there.

Honestly can we pay you mask lovers to leave the country and never come back? If you want to wear a face diaper because you're scared that's fine. Why do you think you or anyone has a right to force anyone else. You're sick.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:01 pm

Last week my son had an allergy cough that wouldn't go away so I went around lunch and took him out of school for the day because I didnt want him annoying others. Once I left I was informed by the school nurse that if a child leaves with a Covid symptom (of which she provided a list which contains just about any symptom a child would ever have for leaving school down to stomach ache) they cannot return without a negative Covid test. So instead of going home to let him get better, I had to go find a Covid test facility that tests your saliva instead of going up your nose. And my insurance paid $163 for that.

Masks aside, this is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy. There can be no return to anything resembling normal until we stop assuming that every person out there is sick until proven healthy. For eons kids have gone to school with sniffles, coughs and scratchy throats. And adults have gone to to work with the same. Now I have to have a temperature check to accompany my son to the dentist, have my skin checked for cancer spots or take my dog to the veterinarian. We have to wear masks because the air is potentially dangerous. And he still has to sit 6 feet apart (now recognized as an arbitrary number) from his peers at school.
Personally I don't want to live in a world where society is unwilling to take even the most minuscule amount of risk .
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:50 pm

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Pug, is this all about masking with you?
Yes yes and yes. I HATE masks. Try doing cardio indoors with a mask on. It is unbearable, but more importantly, unnecessary. When I play pickleball I am not within 6 feet of anyone and we've all been vaccinated. It is theater. A restaurant hostess yelled at me to put one on over the weekend while walking to the table, but then it's okay to take it off the minute you sit down. WTF? More theater. This is not science, it's politics.

And everyone is short of employees bc reasons that all boil down to the pretense that Covid will kill you or someone else or that your day care will shut down. My granddaughter's preschool kicked her and her classmates out for 2 weeks bc one kid tested positive in her class. Negative tests don't matter, automatic 2 week quarantine for anyone who may have come in contact. Both parents work outside the home? Too bad, nobody cares. But let's make these little kids wear masks bc reasons.
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Yeah PG. So what if the government is just forcing you to put something on your face before you voluntarily enter other people's private private property with their consent and with other people doing it voluntarily. I mean so what? I'm sure it will stop there.

Honestly can we pay you mask lovers to leave the country and never come back? If you want to wear a face diaper because you're scared that's fine. Why do you think you or anyone has a right to force anyone else. You're sick.
Bingo. If you are afraid and want to wear a mask, or stay home and hide for that matter, please do so. But leave me the f*ck alone.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:32 pm

Pug,

Find a different gym? My wife's gym doesn't use masks, but did require vaccination proof to do so.

Sure, some is theater. And I do not know if that lack of people for jobs is mainly Covid related or what, but I will agree there are many places that have help wanted signs. Everyone thought once that extra money from the gov stopped people would go back, right? Did not seem to happen?

Jalanlong, my daughter has been sick twice so far this school year (with what we superficially determined was a standard cold/cough) and no one batted an eye. Sorry for your situation.
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It's not perfect, but repressive makes it sound like Nazi level lockdowns which just are not happening in IL.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:37 pm

pugchief wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:50 pm

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Pug, is this all about masking with you?



Yes yes and yes. I HATE masks. Try doing cardio indoors with a mask on. It is unbearable, but more importantly, unnecessary. When I play pickleball I am not within 6 feet of anyone and we've all been vaccinated. It is theater. A restaurant hostess yelled at me to put one on over the weekend while walking to the table, but then it's okay to take it off the minute you sit down. WTF? More theater. This is not science, it's politics.

And everyone is short of employees bc reasons that all boil down to the pretense that Covid will kill you or someone else or that your day care will shut down. My granddaughter's preschool kicked her and her classmates out for 2 weeks bc one kid tested positive in her class. Negative tests don't matter, automatic 2 week quarantine for anyone who may have come in contact. Both parents work outside the home? Too bad, nobody cares. But let's make these little kids wear masks bc reasons.

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Yeah PG. So what if the government is just forcing you to put something on your face before you voluntarily enter other people's private private property with their consent and with other people doing it voluntarily. I mean so what? I'm sure it will stop there.

Honestly can we pay you mask lovers to leave the country and never come back? If you want to wear a face diaper because you're scared that's fine. Why do you think you or anyone has a right to force anyone else. You're sick.

Bingo. If you are afraid and want to wear a mask, or stay home and hide for that matter, please do so. But leave me the f*ck alone.


I know that in the last 20 years you have flown on airplanes FAR more than I have.

Do you similarly consider it repression all that one has to go through post 9/11 to fly on a plane? Or, for that matter what one now either has to endure before entering a music or athletic venue and is now prohibited from bringing into those venues?

Maybe you do not because those are not every day events for you.

I endure them enough times to find them highly annoying. I don't know yet if I'd consider them repressive.

I've always thought it was all a gross overreaction to how 9/11 was successfully carried out and a prototypical case of "fighting the last war".
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Post by pp4me » Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:10 pm

I don't know if I would call it "repression" but IMO the airport security measures after 9-11 have in common with mask mandates that they are both primarily theatrical in nature without that much to do with real security/safety.

So with the mask mandates you now get a double dose of theater when you fly.

A 5 hour flight to Denver in May meant I had to have the mask on non-stop for about 8 hours, including wait time inside the airport. That was really hard because I've never had one on for more time than it took me to shop in the stores when they were mandated. We're flying to Maui at the end of the month and that's 10 hours on the plane and probably about 4 in the airport terminals so I'll be setting a new personal record for mask wearing.

Add the TSA stuff on top of it and flying is really getting unpleasant. For some reason I seem to get pulled over for extra screening every time. I'd quit doing it altogether but I feel like I'm in my peak travelling years right now and need to take advantage of it while I can.
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Post by I Shrugged » Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:23 pm

Netjets anyone? Man I would be up for that kind of travel.

Yeah on the ground the DFW area is not much different from IL regarding masking.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:29 pm

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Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:10 pm

I don't know if I would call it "repression" but IMO the airport security measures after 9-11 have in common with mask mandates that they are both primarily theatrical in nature without that much to do with real security/safety.

So with the mask mandates you now get a double dose of theater when you fly.

A 5 hour flight to Denver in May meant I had to have the mask on non-stop for about 8 hours, including wait time inside the airport. That was really hard because I've never had one on for more time than it took me to shop in the stores when they were mandated. We're flying to Maui at the end of the month and that's 10 hours on the plane and probably about 4 in the airport terminals so I'll be setting a new personal record for mask wearing.

Add the TSA stuff on top of it and flying is really getting unpleasant. For some reason I seem to get pulled over for extra screening every time. I'd quit doing it altogether but I feel like I'm in my peak travelling years right now and need to take advantage of it while I can.


In both cases my belief is that those in power are not doing so so as to exert their power but, instead, are doing so out of the fear that they never wanted to blamed for not doing enough.

It comes down to the saying..."We get the government we deserve."

Therefore if people were not going to critical when something goes wrong because the government did not take some measures (which are oftentimes overkill) then the government / people in power would not take those measures.

However, since they know they will be blamed if they had not taken those measures and something happens...their only choice is to take those measures.

It's for the same reason our country has wasted so much money on hardening our school for an event with an extremely low probability of happening.

Those education administrators really would like to be spending that money on something else, e.g., something that would have a direct impact on their students' educations but they know that if they do not implement all these costly - both in terms of time and $$$$$$ - measures and the one in a million event occurs...then all the parents will ask...."Well why had you not implemented all these measures?" and no doubt call for those in power's resignations.
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Case in point, this just today:
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Post by Tortoise » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:00 pm

I can tell you what Pritzker's benchmark is: His polling numbers.

When the majority of IL residents start disapproving of Pritzker's mask mandate and that starts to negatively affect his polling numbers, he will lift the mandate (based on "the science", of course).
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Post by whatchamacallit » Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:20 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
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So what, I gotta carry a mask for some places?
The masks have nothing to do with the virus.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ring-niqab
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Post by Cortopassi » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:22 am

So....

1) Priztker (and EVERY other governor and most officials) have used the pandemic politically, some more some less. It is what it is. There is NO action any governor could be taking at this point or at any point that wouldn't be deemed political by the "other" side. Not possible. Jesus Christ himself could come down from heaven and say you need to wear masks and there would be right wing evangelicals who'd probably say screw you.

2) I hardly think asking people to wear masks equates with us making women wear burkas in short order. Everything is so hyper conspiratorial!

3) We will get back to not wearing masks. And now there will be a pill as well as a vaccine (oohhh, maybe it is filled with Ivermectin?!) I see either this mask wearing delta episode being the last, or very near the last, at least for Covid related stuff. But also be prepared for some segment of the population to continue wearing masks, or not going out to eat, or to bars, or whatever. Their choice.

Turn off the news. Turn off the conspiracy websites. Turn off Facebook. You'll come out of your haze and hopefully wonder how you got sucked in. Sorry to preach. Go ahead and rip me a new one.
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Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:22 am
So....

1) Priztker (and EVERY other governor and most officials) have used the pandemic politically, some more some less. It is what it is. There is NO action any governor could be taking at this point or at any point that wouldn't be deemed political by the "other" side. Not possible. Jesus Christ himself could come down from heaven and say you need to wear masks and there would be right wing evangelicals who'd probably say screw you.

2) I hardly think asking people to wear masks equates with us making women wear burkas in short order. Everything is so hyper conspiratorial!

3) We will get back to not wearing masks. And now there will be a pill as well as a vaccine (oohhh, maybe it is filled with Ivermectin?!) I see either this mask wearing delta episode being the last, or very near the last, at least for Covid related stuff. But also be prepared for some segment of the population to continue wearing masks, or not going out to eat, or to bars, or whatever. Their choice.

Turn off the news. Turn off the conspiracy websites. Turn off Facebook. You'll come out of your haze and hopefully wonder how you got sucked in. Sorry to preach. Go ahead and rip me a new one.
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Post by jalanlong » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:08 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:22 am
So....

1) Priztker (and EVERY other governor and most officials) have used the pandemic politically, some more some less. It is what it is. There is NO action any governor could be taking at this point or at any point that wouldn't be deemed political by the "other" side. Not possible. Jesus Christ himself could come down from heaven and say you need to wear masks and there would be right wing evangelicals who'd probably say screw you.

2) I hardly think asking people to wear masks equates with us making women wear burkas in short order. Everything is so hyper conspiratorial!
#1. I think the problem therein lies that doing nothing and allowing people to make their own choices about their health is somehow seen as political when it is anything but. A governor doing absolutely nothing at all and allowing citizens to make their own risk assessment calculations and act accordingly is the opposite of political. Inaction is not action although the mainstream press would like to tell you that it is the worst form of action.

#2. Not sure mandates are exactly "asking". I guess it is like my parents asking me if I wanted to do my chores or get the belt.
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Post by pp4me » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:57 am

Speaking of Conspiracy theories.....

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coron ... COVID-case
China PCR test orders soared before first confirmed COVID case
Report on government contracts show surges in Wuhan-area purchases from May 2019
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Post by SomeDude » Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:07 am

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Jesus Christ himself could come down from heaven and say you need to wear masks and there would be right wing evangelicals who'd probably say screw you.
It's incredible how backwards you have it.

Covid worship is the religion of the left. Vaccines are the sacrament and masks are the religious garb. Conversion is pushed by threat of violence and destruction of people's lives.

If Jesus came down and supported masks all you lefties would throw them off and scream "my body my choice" just like the other main sacrament of the left.....baby killing.

The Covid religion is fundamentally anti-human and satanic in nature. You can tell by the cult members and the fruits of their labor.
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Post by Cortopassi » Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:37 am

Here's how I see it, feel free to disagree.

We've already gone through one cycle where we were able to remove masks. Delta is waning. Appetite for Covid reporting is waning. A new form of treatment is also on the way.

Why on earth work yourself up so much about the "face diapers?" All these analogies about religion and Covid worship, is this getting you anywhere or anything other than worked up, pissed off and bitter?

If that's how you want to live this episode of time, it is still a free country.

But it damn ain't hard to put a mask on to walk into a grocery store. That's all I'm saying.

If you recall, I was the first person to strip my mask off in Costco when they changed policies early this spring. I am no mask/Covid worshipper by any means.

But jeez, it is only a stupid mask. They will go away.
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Post by pugchief » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:50 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:22 am

1) Priztker (and EVERY other governor and most officials) have used the pandemic politically, some more some less. It is what it is.
And this is okay with you?!!
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3) We will get back to not wearing masks.
Really? When? Not based on any science, that's for sure. Why aren't we there already? Many states aren't imposing mandates, why is IL?
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I see either this mask wearing delta episode being the last, or very near the last, at least for Covid related stuff.
OMG, IDK which is worse, your statement I bolded or your statement I italicized. Do you realize what you're implying now, which you clearly didn't when you typed it?
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But also be prepared for some segment of the population to continue wearing masks, or not going out to eat, or to bars, or whatever. Their choice.
The only thing in that entire post that made sense.
But jeez, it is only a stupid mask. They will go away.
But will they? Not according to your statement above.
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Post by Cortopassi » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:54 am

The most important line, IMO:

is this getting you anywhere or anything other than worked up, pissed off and bitter?
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Post by pp4me » Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:23 pm

I've not suffered anything to be majorly pissed off about but if I was a business owner and the government declared my business to be non-essential and shut me down I'd be mightily pissed off. If I was a landlord and couldn't collect rent from my tenants I'd also be mightily pissed off.

And if I lived in Australia I'm sure I'd also be pissed off.

I also think this is a very healthy reaction and I'm glad to see it.
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