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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Mon May 24, 2021 10:13 am

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Mon May 24, 2021 11:34 am

Well the masks are optional at the grocery store. :)
The regular sign is still up, but half the employees and about all of the vendors were maskless. I asked an employee and she said "if you're vaccinated you don't have to wear it". yay.

No hint of verification. I don't think that's going to happen anywhere except the most extreme localities in some people's republics.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Mon May 24, 2021 11:38 am

Sounds like they have a very low vax rate.

The Olympics have to be in some jeopardy.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon May 24, 2021 6:25 pm

I wondered what John Ioannidis has been up to:
Conclusions: People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in pandemic epicenters and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic. link
Conclusion The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across different locations and this may reflect differences in
population age structure and case-mix of infected and deceased patients and other factors. The inferred infection fatality rates tended to
be much lower than estimates made earlier in the pandemic. link
Forecasting for COVID-19 has failed
The most restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID-19 are mandatory stay-at-home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less-restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs).
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Conclusions: While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less-restrictive interventions. link
Conclusions: All systematic evaluations of seroprevalence data converge that SARS-CoV-2 infection is widely spread globally. Acknowledging residual uncertainties, the available evidence suggests average global IFR of ~0.15% and ~1.5-2.0 billion infections by February 2021 with substantial differences in IFR and in infection spread across continents, countries and locations. link
Should governments continue lockdown to slow the spread of covid-19? (debate)

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon May 24, 2021 8:30 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 11:34 am
Well the masks are optional at the grocery store. :)
The regular sign is still up, but half the employees and about all of the vendors were maskless. I asked an employee and she said "if you're vaccinated you don't have to wear it". yay.

No hint of verification. I don't think that's going to happen anywhere except the most extreme localities in some people's republics.
Like Oregon!

https://www.businessinsider.com/oregon- ... ask-2021-5
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Mon May 24, 2021 9:43 pm

jalanlong wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 8:30 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 11:34 am
Well the masks are optional at the grocery store. :)
The regular sign is still up, but half the employees and about all of the vendors were maskless. I asked an employee and she said "if you're vaccinated you don't have to wear it". yay.

No hint of verification. I don't think that's going to happen anywhere except the most extreme localities in some people's republics.
Like Oregon!

https://www.businessinsider.com/oregon- ... ask-2021-5
I bet that quickly falls apart.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Tue May 25, 2021 8:34 am

Huh. So let me see if I understand this. Requiring ID to vote is Jim Crow on steroids, because God forbid we want to make sure that only citizens vote and only in the place they're supposed to vote in, and just one vote per person.

But, in order to go grocery shopping, Oregon says you need ID. That presumably is not Jim Crow on steroids.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Tue May 25, 2021 11:24 am

sophie wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 8:34 am
Huh. So let me see if I understand this. Requiring ID to vote is Jim Crow on steroids, because God forbid we want to make sure that only citizens vote and only in the place they're supposed to vote in, and just one vote per person.

But, in order to go grocery shopping, Oregon says you need ID. That presumably is not Jim Crow on steroids.
Assumed logic: Because grocery shopping isn't a constitutional right
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 pm

This weekend I am taking my wife on a trip up to the Washington coast. The hotel called today to confirm my reservations and to let me know that the pool, gym and restaurant were all still closed due to Covid. Sometimes I forget what life outside of Texas can be like.

Edit: The county I am going to in Washington state has a 7 day average of 19 Covid cases and 0 deaths. But apparently they are still at 25% capacity restrictions.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Tue May 25, 2021 5:51 pm

Wal-Mart here not as maskless as the grocery store. But no signs, so I went topless. A few other customers did too.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Tue May 25, 2021 7:13 pm

I went to Stop & Shop today. Sign was still up that one had to wear a mask. Everyone I saw was wearing a mask.

This week and last I've had several people coming to my house to give me quotes on tree work and driveway paving.

None of are wearing masks and all of us are acting like it's something in the deep past.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed May 26, 2021 5:52 pm

lololololzorz on the lab-leak.

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Post by vnatale » Thu May 27, 2021 9:58 pm

"“It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control,” said President Trump. “It’s going to be just fine.” When he uttered those words he was at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland."


"On January 31, the United States government finally acted, sort of. It restricted travel by foreigners into the country and required any Americans returning from China to quarantine for fourteen days. “We pretty much shut it down from coming in from China,” said President Trump. By then, thought Carter, the virus was likely already so widespread inside the United States that the focus on foreign travelers was a pointless distraction. “It’s a waste of time,” he wrote after Trump’s announcement. “You’re protecting your front door from intruders and they’re taking your stuff out the back door.”"
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Sat May 29, 2021 8:07 am

New rule at Mendocino cafe - $5 fee for wearing a mask


https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/artic ... 211337.php
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Post by tomfoolery » Sat May 29, 2021 12:14 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 8:07 am
New rule at Mendocino cafe - $5 fee for wearing a mask


https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/artic ... 211337.php
When will the republican virtue signaling end? We get it, Mr. Cafe owner, you voted for Trump, and want all of the other Trumpists to know so they’ll buy your stupid MAGA coffee.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Sat May 29, 2021 12:29 pm

From the article:
Castleman said he doesn’t know anyone who has contracted COVID-19.

“That doesn’t mean it’s not real, but it hasn’t affected me personally,” he said.
SomeDude, is your real name Castleman?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Sun May 30, 2021 7:13 am

So just about every day now we're getting news of "new" revelations in the CoVid drama that point the finger squarely at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, funded surreptitiously by Fauci et al. Today it's being reported that there is no naturally-occurring virus from which this one could have plausibly derived, and that CoVid-19 appears to consist of a naturally-occurring coronavirus backbone with a foreign spike protein spliced onto it. Strangely, Fauci's association with the Wuhan lab and his involvement and advocacy for gain-of-function research (Consequences be damned!) is not only well-documented, but was publicly reported over a year ago. Then. . . total silence until now. Anyone care to hazard a guess about what's going on?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Sun May 30, 2021 10:33 am

At the Indy 500 today with 135,000 of my friends. Masks are technically required but I’d put compliance at about 10%, if that.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Sun May 30, 2021 10:58 am

Maddy wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 7:13 am
So just about every day now we're getting news of "new" revelations in the CoVid drama that point the finger squarely at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, funded surreptitiously by Fauci et al. Today it's being reported that there is no naturally-occurring virus from which this one could have plausibly derived, and that CoVid-19 appears to consist of a naturally-occurring coronavirus backbone with a foreign spike protein spliced onto it. Strangely, Fauci's association with the Wuhan lab and his involvement and advocacy for gain-of-function research (Consequences be damned!) is not only well-documented, but was publicly reported over a year ago. Then. . . total silence until now. Anyone care to hazard a guess about what's going on?
I'll take a guess.

The NIH is a lot less well planned/consistent than you might think. Funding decisions are made by a Council which pays attention to high level things like general desirable areas of research, percentages of early/new investigators, desired pay lines etc. It's based on ranking of grant application which emerges from review panels (like the ones I've been on for years). The reviewers care about quality of the science and generally are a lot less worried about ethical details or may take a different view from the official one. They're also overburdened with the gzillion things they're supposed to include in their critiques, so they often overlook details, like safety practices in Wuhan.

The Wuhan funding was via a subcontract from a primary grantee in the US. This is common - I've done this sort of thing myself with foreign collaborators. And, once you have an NIH grant, you have a lot of leeway to modify the work you're doing, because hey it's research and new stuff that you didn't anticipate comes up. I do that all the time also. You have to submit progress reports annually, and I can easily imagine a very selective or artful bit of reporting going. Also, just as in grant reviews there are a million elements to the progress report and mostly they care about two things 1) budget carryovers, and 2) number of publications (and that they all meet NIH open access requirements). The science part is maybe a couple pages and it covers the entire grant - the Wuhan subcontract would have accounted for probably just a paragraph or two.

Fauci's role as institute head is certainly not to look at every grant and still less every progress report. But, when the whole Wuhan thing came up and someone brought to his attention that WIV had a subcontract on an awarded grant, he almost certainly took a look at that one. And discovered that they are doing exactly the type of research that could have resulted in COVID 19. From there it was all about damage control, starting with attempting to bury the possibility that the virus could have come from that lab. And I would bet he has lied (or at least artfully evaded) congressional questioning more than once.

I've read enough of the biological details of this virus to be pretty convinced it came from a lab. So are enough other people that Biden and Fauci know they can no longer cover it up. I wonder what Fauci thinks is going to happen....a criminal investigation of him would not be out of line.
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Post by Calvindeen » Sun May 30, 2021 12:35 pm

I'm scheduled to be vaccinated on thursday. I work in a covid unit and see the devastation of this virus, so I'm really excited it's finally here. I've been keeping up with the science because, like anyone, I don't want to roll up my sleeve to something that isn't safe. I feel confident in this vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Sun May 30, 2021 2:24 pm

Calvindeen wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 12:35 pm
I'm scheduled to be vaccinated on thursday. I work in a covid unit and see the devastation of this virus, so I'm really excited it's finally here. I've been keeping up with the science because, like anyone, I don't want to roll up my sleeve to something that isn't safe. I feel confident in this vaccine.
Confident based on what? Can we assume that you are not a US resident based on the delay in receiving it?
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Post by Maddy » Sun May 30, 2021 3:09 pm

Calvindeen wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 12:35 pm
I'm scheduled to be vaccinated on thursday. I work in a covid unit and see the devastation of this virus, so I'm really excited it's finally here. I've been keeping up with the science because, like anyone, I don't want to roll up my sleeve to something that isn't safe. I feel confident in this vaccine.
I, too, would like to know: Confident based upon what?
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Post by tomfoolery » Sun May 30, 2021 9:55 pm

The same people who believe covid isn’t real, also believe WWF professional wrestling is real.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by SomeDude » Mon May 31, 2021 7:48 am

tomfoolery wrote:
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The same people who believe covid isn’t real, also believe WWF professional wrestling is real.
Are you saying you think the WWE is fake?
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Post by vnatale » Mon May 31, 2021 9:22 am

SomeDude wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 7:48 am

tomfoolery wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 9:55 pm

The same people who believe covid isn’t real, also believe WWF professional wrestling is real.


Are you saying you think the WWE is fake?


I forget how old I was when my father told me that the wrestling we used to watch together was fake. I vehemently disputed him and did not believe him.

I know it was far more impactful on me than finding out that neither Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny were real.
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