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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me » Sun May 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Went to the mall in Florida last night and before I went inside I looked for the "Mask Required" sign. It was there but you had to look real hard to find it because it was so small. Once inside I found the ratio of unmasked to masked to be about 4:1. Also noticed that the stores with prominently placed mask signs didn't seem to have many customers inside.

I don't have NR plus so I couldn't read this article by Kevin Williamson, though I would like to. I think maybe the headline says enough all by itself....

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Post by I Shrugged » Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm

pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:09 pm
Blue IL is 'reviewing' CDC guidelines and figuring out how to change guidance. Why? They should just say okay we're done, but they refuse.
I think they are saying they will follow the national recommendations.
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Post by Tortoise » Sun May 16, 2021 4:08 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:09 pm
Blue IL is 'reviewing' CDC guidelines and figuring out how to change guidance. Why? They should just say okay we're done, but they refuse.
I think they are saying they will follow the national recommendations.
Reckless.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by murphy_p_t » Sun May 16, 2021 4:46 pm

Sophie wrote: "My big question has been: why is it suddenly ok for the country to reopen when the COVID case & hospitalization rates are identical now to what those were a year ago (in NY), and the only thing that's happened in the interim is the annual winter respiratory illness runup which differed from the usual only due to the added availability of a super-sensitive COVID test (and a new endemic virus). "


I suspect the regime realizes that the remainder of the population is on the verge of revolting from following these arbitrary diktats... And they need to save face. Lest they become irrelevant like a 55 mph speed limit on the interstate. One data point and support of this revolt is the regime's failure to scare 70+ percent of the population to participate in their experimental gene therapy program.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me » Sun May 16, 2021 5:21 pm

Musing on the approximately 4:1 ratio of unmasked to masked people that I saw in the mall yesterday I was thinking what at amazing flipping of the script by "Biden's rule" in a short amount of time.

Before:
Masked person sees unmasked person and thinks what a selfish, unpatriotic person who isn't following the science and putting everybody else at risk. Masked person feels virtuous. Unmasked person made to feel uncomfortable.

After:
Unmasked person sees masked person and thinks he must not have gotten the vaccine or maybe he could even be an anti-vaxxer, and he's not following the science and not making rational risk assessments. Unmasked person feels free. Masked person is made to feel uncomfortable.

If the ratio I observed is any indication this is happening rapidly.

Maybe Biden learned the power of posting on Twitter from Trump.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Sun May 16, 2021 6:53 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:09 pm
Blue IL is 'reviewing' CDC guidelines and figuring out how to change guidance. Why? They should just say okay we're done, but they refuse.
I think they are saying they will follow the national recommendations.
They are saying it, but not doing it. What is there to review? If you are

'following the science' and
you believe the CDC is the ultimate authority on the science

what exactly is there to 'review'? And why should it take more than 5 minutes?
Why are California and New York resisting eliminating masks as well?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm

pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 6:53 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:09 pm
Blue IL is 'reviewing' CDC guidelines and figuring out how to change guidance. Why? They should just say okay we're done, but they refuse.
I think they are saying they will follow the national recommendations.
They are saying it, but not doing it. What is there to review? If you are

'following the science' and
you believe the CDC is the ultimate authority on the science

what exactly is there to 'review'? And why should it take more than 5 minutes?
Why are California and New York resisting eliminating masks as well?
Because they think masks are effective?
Are they effective? I honestly don't know. I know the MSM says that it's been proven that masks are effective. That doesn't mean anything to me for reasons I hope are obvious. I know I'm ready to be done with masks.

In any event, the day has to come when masks come off. I'm mildly surprised that Illinois seems ready to get with it. As to the Feds, I think this could be an intentional distraction from the bad start that my guy Biden has gotten off to. He's killed 150K from covid. The border is an absolute disaster, in fact I think he's restarting construction the wall, right? J&J fiasco, all his fault, obviously. The Mideast is an inferno, wouldn't have happened under DJT. Inflation is soaring. Employment is bad. Taxes are going up. Hey everybody, let's stop wearing masks!!! From their PR point of view, it doesn't even matter if it's controversial. Just so it takes the other stuff off the headline.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Sun May 16, 2021 7:30 pm

In Ontario, golfing is still prohibited. Even though the premier acknowledges that it's safe, he says well, the golfers will get together and drink, and we can't take that risk. Sucks to be a golf course owner up there, two summers in a row. Wow.

Here in progressive Illinois, the courses are open to full capacity, we can touch the flagsticks, and sit in the bar afterwards. Take that you hosers.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Sun May 16, 2021 8:34 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm

pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 6:53 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm

pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:09 pm

Blue IL is 'reviewing' CDC guidelines and figuring out how to change guidance. Why? They should just say okay we're done, but they refuse.


I think they are saying they will follow the national recommendations.


They are saying it, but not doing it. What is there to review? If you are

'following the science' and
you believe the CDC is the ultimate authority on the science

what exactly is there to 'review'? And why should it take more than 5 minutes?
Why are California and New York resisting eliminating masks as well?


Because they think masks are effective?
Are they effective? I honestly don't know. I know the MSM says that it's been proven that masks are effective. That doesn't mean anything to me for reasons I hope are obvious. I know I'm ready to be done with masks.

In any event, the day has to come when masks come off. I'm mildly surprised that Illinois seems ready to get with it. As to the Feds, I think this could be an intentional distraction from the bad start that my guy Biden has gotten off to. He's killed 150K from covid. The border is an absolute disaster, in fact I think he's restarting construction the wall, right? J&J fiasco, all his fault, obviously. The Mideast is an inferno, wouldn't have happened under DJT. Inflation is soaring. Employment is bad. Taxes are going up. Hey everybody, let's stop wearing masks!!! From their PR point of view, it doesn't even matter if it's controversial. Just so it takes the other stuff off the headline.


How so?

Wasn't what he accomplished there supposed to have forever prevented this from ever happening again? What has has changed since January 20th?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Sun May 16, 2021 9:27 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... r-business


Covid Is Airborne, Scientists Say. Now Authorities Think So, Too
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Post by vnatale » Sun May 16, 2021 9:33 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... SApp_Other


Delay in giving second jabs of Pfizer vaccine improves immunity

Study finds antibodies against Sars-CoV-2 three-and-a-half times higher in people vaccinated again after 12 weeks rather than three
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Mon May 17, 2021 9:01 am

vnatale wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 8:34 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm

The Mideast is an inferno, wouldn't have happened under DJT. Inflation is soaring. Employment is bad. Taxes are going up. Hey everybody, let's stop wearing masks!!! From their PR point of view, it doesn't even matter if it's controversial. Just so it takes the other stuff off the headline.
How so?

Wasn't what he accomplished there supposed to have forever prevented this from ever happening again? What has has changed since January 20th?
I'm playing around. But we can't say for sure that it's not true! :)
No one ever said he ended all the problems. But he succeeded in lining up mideast Arab states to be friendlier to Israel. And he did it by go around the entrenched deep state.

Maybe this current thing is a result of Hamas/Iran feeling desperate due to the above.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Mon May 17, 2021 9:03 am

vnatale wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 9:27 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... r-business


Covid Is Airborne, Scientists Say. Now Authorities Think So, Too
Here is another article on same, maybe with more details. It's very interesting. It is clear that "trust the science" is a pretty shallow dogma. One line at the beginning mentions WHO saying "FACT: COVID-19 is not airborne." And this is the exact kind of thing that the dumbass fact checkers at social media sites use to ban people. No, we can't let any alternatives be presented. Trust the science!

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-t ... ket-newtab
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Mon May 17, 2021 9:14 am

I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 6:53 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:09 pm
Blue IL is 'reviewing' CDC guidelines and figuring out how to change guidance. Why? They should just say okay we're done, but they refuse.
I think they are saying they will follow the national recommendations.
They are saying it, but not doing it. What is there to review? If you are

'following the science' and
you believe the CDC is the ultimate authority on the science

what exactly is there to 'review'? And why should it take more than 5 minutes?
Why are California and New York resisting eliminating masks as well?
Because they think masks are effective?
Are they effective? I honestly don't know. I know the MSM says that it's been proven that masks are effective. That doesn't mean anything to me for reasons I hope are obvious. I know I'm ready to be done with masks.

In any event, the day has to come when masks come off. I'm mildly surprised that Illinois seems ready to get with it. As to the Feds, I think this could be an intentional distraction from the bad start that my guy Biden has gotten off to. He's killed 150K from covid. The border is an absolute disaster, in fact I think he's restarting construction the wall, right? J&J fiasco, all his fault, obviously. The Mideast is an inferno, wouldn't have happened under DJT. Inflation is soaring. Employment is bad. Taxes are going up. Hey everybody, let's stop wearing masks!!! From their PR point of view, it doesn't even matter if it's controversial. Just so it takes the other stuff off the headline.
Does he really need a distraction? HIs approval rating seems pretty high:

https://apnews.com/article/biden-corona ... 157987bf80
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Mon May 17, 2021 9:40 am

jalanlong wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 9:14 am
I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 7:26 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 6:53 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 3:58 pm
pugchief wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:09 pm
Blue IL is 'reviewing' CDC guidelines and figuring out how to change guidance. Why? They should just say okay we're done, but they refuse.
I think they are saying they will follow the national recommendations.
They are saying it, but not doing it. What is there to review? If you are

'following the science' and
you believe the CDC is the ultimate authority on the science

what exactly is there to 'review'? And why should it take more than 5 minutes?
Why are California and New York resisting eliminating masks as well?
Because they think masks are effective?
Are they effective? I honestly don't know. I know the MSM says that it's been proven that masks are effective. That doesn't mean anything to me for reasons I hope are obvious. I know I'm ready to be done with masks.

In any event, the day has to come when masks come off. I'm mildly surprised that Illinois seems ready to get with it. As to the Feds, I think this could be an intentional distraction from the bad start that my guy Biden has gotten off to. He's killed 150K from covid. The border is an absolute disaster, in fact I think he's restarting construction the wall, right? J&J fiasco, all his fault, obviously. The Mideast is an inferno, wouldn't have happened under DJT. Inflation is soaring. Employment is bad. Taxes are going up. Hey everybody, let's stop wearing masks!!! From their PR point of view, it doesn't even matter if it's controversial. Just so it takes the other stuff off the headline.
Does he really need a distraction? HIs approval rating seems pretty high:

https://apnews.com/article/biden-corona ... 157987bf80
Hey, who you gonna believe, me, or the Associated Press?

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Mon May 17, 2021 11:11 am

I don't recall seeing this posted here before but it was republished by the Village Voice a year ago.

An Open Letter to Dr. Anthony Fauci by Larry Kramer

Originally published May 31, 1988 regarding AIDS treatment research. Any similarities to today?
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Post by murphy_p_t » Mon May 17, 2021 12:02 pm

I started reading the link. The mendacity suggest something other than simple incompetence and stupidity.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me » Thu May 20, 2021 10:06 am

Went maskless at Publix for the first time last night but only because I spotted an employee without one. I have to admit I'm too much of a coward to be the ONLY maskless person in the store but hats off to whoever was the first person to do it.
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Post by pp4me » Thu May 20, 2021 1:11 pm

A silver lining? ......
Social Security:

The rate of growth in retired Americans who collect Social Security has slowed down sharply, and the drop may be due in part to the disproportionate number of deaths from Covid-19 among the elderly.

The number of people who received retirement benefits from the Social Security Administration rose 900,000 to 46.4 million in March, the smallest year-over-year gain since April 2009.
https://www.collaborativefund.com/blog/ ... ing-51521/
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Post by sophie » Fri May 21, 2021 11:19 am

Yes, I'd surmised early on that COVID may prove to be the salvation for Social Security and Medicare.

I even remember a painfully funny description that was going around at the time: "Boomer Remover".

Although, I still think the reduction in life expectancy from COVID is a lot smaller than people think (it was 6 months on average in one study). But, COVID being relatively fast, painless, and cheap compared to the most common ways to die, I figured that most of the savings would be to Medicare.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by murphy_p_t » Sat May 22, 2021 11:07 pm

pp4me wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 10:06 am
Went maskless at Publix for the first time last night but only because I spotted an employee without one. I have to admit I'm too much of a coward to be the ONLY maskless person in the store but hats off to whoever was the first person to do it.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Sat May 22, 2021 11:10 pm

Q: What civilizes the class bully?

A: a bloody nose.
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Post by Maddy » Sun May 23, 2021 6:09 am

Essentially, Covid19 has long been shown – to those willing to pay attention – to be an entirely created pandemic narrative built on two key factors:

False-positive tests. The unreliable PCR test can be manipulated into reporting a high number of false-positives by altering the cycle threshold (CT value)

Inflated Case-count. The incredibly broad definition of “Covid case”, used all over the world, lists anyone who receives a positive test as a “Covid19 case”, even if they never experienced any symptoms.

Without these two policies, there would never have been an appreciable pandemic at all, and now the CDC has enacted two policy changes which means they no longer apply to vaccinated people.

Firstly, they are lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected “breakthrough infections”. From the CDC’s instructions for state health authorities on handling “possible breakthrough infections” (uploaded to their website in late April): For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing. (Sequencing is not feasible with higher Ct values.)

Throughout the pandemic, CT values in excess of 35 have been the norm, with labs around the world going into the 40s. Essentially labs were running as many cycles as necessary to achieve a positive result, despite experts warning that this was pointless (even Fauci himself said anything over 35 cycles is meaningless).

But NOW, and only for fully vaccinated people, the CDC will only accept samples achieved from 28 cycles or fewer. That can only be a deliberate decision in order to decrease the number of “breakthrough infections” being officially recorded.

Secondly, asymptomatic or mild infections will no longer be recorded as “covid cases”.


That’s right. Even if a sample collected at the low CT value of 28 can be sequenced into the virus alleged to cause Covid19, the CDC will no longer be keeping records of breakthrough infections that don’t result in hospitalisation or death.
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Post by murphy_p_t » Sun May 23, 2021 7:17 am

Deep state has decided this stage of the plan-demic has gone far enough
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Post by Maddy » Sun May 23, 2021 12:54 pm

murphy_p_t wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 7:17 am
Deep state has decided this stage of the plan-demic has gone far enough
Not only that, they appear to be throwing Fauci under the bus.

Here's my guess: They put Fauci in charge of this thing precisely because they had the goods on him for his illegal funding of a CCP-controlled bioweapons operation that ended up sparking a worldwide pandemic. (Who knows, perhaps the powers-that-be set Fauci up, knowing his proclivity for the spotlight and his insatiable desire for power.) Luckily for Fauci, however, the laboratory concoction they cooked up largely failed, and the virus wasn't nearly as deadly as it was intended to be. Even so, Fauci, like Epstein, was a marked man, and he wouldn't have lasted a week either inside or outside of prison had the mainstream media and both political parties not been actively protecting him. As political assets go, it doesn't get any better than that.

With that hanging over his head, Fauci was perfectly and completely controlled--which made him the perfect choice for heading up a WEF-controlled campaign of terror that would cause ordinary, patriotic Americans to voluntarily relinquish their civil liberties and that would usher in a new, authoritarian world order. But the campaign is falling apart, and who knows what' else is happening behind the scenes. Maybe Fauci actually came to believe he had some power and attempted to cross his handlers. Maybe he began resisting the script as the lies he was expected to tell became increasingly more far-fetched. One thing seems relatively certain: The drivers of the plan have changed course and have left Fauci dangling, which is exactly what always happens when the guys in charge no longer have a use for their whores.

Those pesky control files. . .
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