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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:18 pm

https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographic ... index.html

Some interesting background from Wuhan.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:09 pm

I have parents 80+ that watch MSNBC, so I feel your pain. I can’t really speak to what people 80+ believe.

But surely(?) you realize that Trump was not calling the coronavirus a hoax. He was (rightly or wrongly) calling the Democrats’ extensive criticism of the administration’s response a hoax.

Of course Democrats then used Trump’s complaint to claim that he actually called the coronavirus a hoax.

It’s hard to keep track of them all. The hoaxes that is.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:42 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:09 pm
I have parents 80+ that watch MSNBC, so I feel your pain. I can’t really speak to what people 80+ believe.

But surely(?) you realize that Trump was not calling the coronavirus a hoax. He was (rightly or wrongly) calling the Democrats’ extensive criticism of the administration’s response a hoax.

Of course Democrats then used Trump’s complaint to claim that he actually called the coronavirus a hoax.

It’s hard to keep track of them all. The hoaxes that is.
On searching, several of the usual suspects in media ran that story. But I was confused, because they all just referenced Trump saying it, without providing any video, which smelled fishy to me. Fox News, of course, actually showed the video, where it seems obvious that flyingpylon has it right.

If you watch Tim Pool's videos about the media's lying techniques you will recognize it.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:46 pm

To be honest, I thought that the coronavirus provided a perfect scapegoat for a stock market crash. How could anyone blame Trump for a global pandemic causing the stock market to crash (which is long overdue)? I think the Democrats recognized this too and are trying to get out in front of it.
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Post by Mountaineer » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:25 pm

It appears the population is still growing. Perhaps someone who is really, really, really uptight about the coronavirus can watch the worldometer and let us know when growth rate and death rate equalize, or better yet get MSNBC and CNN to put it on their sensationalized "news" with minute-by-minute updates. Might be a new thing to do instead of watching the ball drop in Times Square or hand wring over the stock market ..... or when Trump takes a pee. ;)

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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Post by Ad Orientem » Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:10 pm

Epidemics expert Jonathan Quick: ‘The worst-case scenario for coronavirus is likely’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ra-spinney

WHO chief on coronavirus: Global markets ‘should calm down and try to see the reality’
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/01/who-chi ... ality.html
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by shekels » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:48 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:05 pm
I know there are Trump supporters on this forum, please tell me how how the democrat hoax statement plays to you. I sat with my 80+ year old parents yesterday, with Fox in the background. And they believe this. They believe the democrats are responsible. They believe if the borders were secure we wouldn't have the virus. After 10 minutes of FOX (or CNN) I get completely exhausted. So much hate.

This virus, when it gets more widespread here, is going to be Trump's biggest challenge to date. And there will be no one to blame but himself and his administration if he decides to continue blaming vs. taking action. Time will tell. He hasn't failed yet, but blaming others at rallies isn't going to work after a few more days.

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“The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. They're politicizing it,” he said. “They don't have any clue. They can't even count their votes in Iowa. No, they can't. They can't count their votes. One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That did not work out too well. They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax.”

Then Trump called the coronavirus “their new hoax.”

After Trump had downplayed the risks of coronavirus, he reassured supporters that the White House was “magnificently organized” in fighting it. In fact, Trump’s administration spent the week jockeying among themselves to lead the response, while the stock market tumbled with losses not seen since the global financial crisis in 2008.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:24 pm

It would be a trip if this was an engineered virus that mutated quickly, like in The Stand. The first stage is not too lethal, but infects everyone, including pets now. Then the virus mutates to a really lethal type.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:44 pm

I've found these three links to Reddit subforums to be especially good ones for keeping abreast of the latest developments on COVID-19. Most of the contributors appear to be health care professionals and academics. Without spending a lot of time, just perusing these three threads is enough to keep you very well informed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/
https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/
https://2019ncov.us/
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pm

Why don't we all take a minute and consider which forumite's current avatar appears to be the most prepared to deal with coronavirus.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:23 pm

That's hilarious! We're quite a bunch, aren't we?
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Post by dualstow » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:56 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
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Why don't we all take a minute and consider which forumite's current avatar appears to be the most prepared to deal with coronavirus.
O0 You’ve got the mask and Maddy has the cabin, both excellent, but Smithers has Bill Gates who will cure the rest of us.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Ad Orientem » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:52 pm

Coronavirus has mutated into more aggressive disease, say scientists

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Coronavirus has mutated into two strains, one which appears to be far more aggressive, scientists have said, in a discovery which could hinder attempts to develop a vaccine.

Researchers at Peking University's School of Life Sciences and the Institut Pasteur of Shanghai, discovered the virus has evolved into two major lineages - dubbed ‘L’ and ‘S’ types.

The older ‘S-type’ appears to be milder and less infectious, while the ‘L-type’ which emerged later, spreads quickly and currently accounts for around 70 per cent of cases.

Genetic analysis of a man in the US who tested positive on January 21, also showed it is possible to be infected with both types.

The finding comes just days after government health experts warned that the virus could hit Britain in ‘multiple waves’, and led to fears that some vaccines might not work on mutated strains.

Dr Stephen Griffin, of the Leeds Institute of Medical Research and chair of the virus division at the Microbiology Society, said that two of the changes between the ‘S’ and ‘L’ lineages were in crucial protein called ‘spike’, which plays a key role in the infection process and is a target for vaccines.

Dr Griffin said developers would need to test whether their prototype vaccines would still neutralise viruses with the changes, but added that the variations were ‘fairly limited’ and may not be a ‘huge hurdle.’
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Smith1776 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:28 pm

The guy who has the avatar to beat all others is Tyler.

It's Nicolas Freakin' Cage.

One look at this face and Coronavirus is gonna be a runnin'.


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Post by Tortoise » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:36 pm

Smith1776 wrote:
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The guy who has the avatar to beat all others is Tyler.

It's Nicolas Freakin' Cage.

One look at this face and Coronavirus is gonna be a runnin'.
MediumTex’s avatar is up there, too: Ash from Evil Dead. In the zombie apocalypse, you want Ash on your team.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:16 am

Why, with the greatest healthcare system in the world, can the US not have testing kits readily available yet after watching this go on for weeks now in China, S Korea and Italy?

I keep reading it was tried to be made more complicated, there was lab contamination, and agencies can't seem to work together.

This is going to be quite a test of our healthcare system compared to other supposedly inferior ones.

<sarcasm> But boy, if we need to 50,000 troops somewhere in a couple days to blow the crap out of something, damn, we are good at that <sarcasm off>

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:27 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:16 am
Why, with the greatest healthcare system in the world, can the US not have testing kits readily available yet after watching this go on for weeks now in China, S Korea and Italy?
I'm thinking the same thing. As fate would have it, a good friend of mine had a medical/surgical emergency this week, and I got a close-up look at a very dysfunctional system masquerading as a "world class" hospital. In an out of ERs, six-hour waits in waiting rooms full of hacking people with no attempt to mask or isolate them (my friend is immune compromised, by the way), a seeming inability to get basic diagnostic work done or to get the needed specialists on site, etc., etc. While all this was going on, I kept thinking: Here we are, nearly a decade into the "Affordable Care Act." Insurance premiums have tripled, deductibles have skyrocketed, and the system seems broken like never before. When I was in my 20s, I had a lot of hospital jobs, and things were never like this.
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Post by dualstow » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:43 am

Is your friend ok, Maddy?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:45 am

Maddy's got it right. The health care system has been so screwed up by Obama's various reforms that it's almost impossible for anything to work as well as it did before he took office. And it's now beyond fixing. Medical centers have spent untold millions on new EHR systems and they're not going to back out of them, plus they've introduced a huge pile of requirements and a large new layer of administrators, none of which would go away even if all the Obama-era regulations vanished tomorrow.

I'm genuinely curious what will happen if there is truly a crisis situation. I suspect there won't be though...it'll be like a second flu season immediately on the heels of the regularly scheduled one. Tough, but manageable. Eventually it will become the new normal, because the virus will be in circulation forever probably.

In other news...several medical centers (mine included) have banned travel to meetings or any gatherings with more than "25-50" people - including events within the university. There are a couple of upcoming meetings & events that I've had to cancel out on. True to form, one of them immediately sent out an announcement that they will not cancel or modify their meeting in any way, which roughly translates as "We have your money, suckas, and you're not getting it back!".
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