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vnatale wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:59 pm
The travel bans made things worse! I guess they did not take effect immediately? Therefore, there was a rush of
those coming from China to the West Coast and there was no effective testing of these incoming people. He pointed out that there was a large spike in this transfer of people in March.
Azar on Jan 31: In accordance with the declaration, beginning at 5:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time; Sunday, February the 2nd, the United States government will implement temporary measures to increase our abilities to detect and contain the coronavirus proactively and aggressively. Any U.S. citizen returning to the United States who has been in Hubei Province in the previous 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine to ensure they are they are provided proper medical care and health screening.

This also included Chinese being barred.

So people had 3 days to decide to come over before the ban if they could. So not immediate, but not a huge amount of time either.

But also (from a July article): The U.S. restrictions that took effect Feb. 2 continued to allow travel to the U.S. from China’s Hong Kong and Macao territories over the past five months. The Associated Press reported that more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in those territories entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed.

Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.

Was it helpful, probably. Was it 100% and immediate? No way.
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Cortopassi wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:00 pm
vnatale wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:59 pm
The travel bans made things worse! I guess they did not take effect immediately? Therefore, there was a rush of
those coming from China to the West Coast and there was no effective testing of these incoming people. He pointed out that there was a large spike in this transfer of people in March.
Azar on Jan 31: In accordance with the declaration, beginning at 5:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time; Sunday, February the 2nd, the United States government will implement temporary measures to increase our abilities to detect and contain the coronavirus proactively and aggressively. Any U.S. citizen returning to the United States who has been in Hubei Province in the previous 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine to ensure they are they are provided proper medical care and health screening.

This also included Chinese being barred.

So people had 3 days to decide to come over before the ban if they could. So not immediate, but not a huge amount of time either.

But also (from a July article): The U.S. restrictions that took effect Feb. 2 continued to allow travel to the U.S. from China’s Hong Kong and Macao territories over the past five months. The Associated Press reported that more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in those territories entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed.

Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.

Was it helpful, probably. Was it 100% and immediate? No way.

Bill Gates claims Trump's COVID travel bans on China and Europe ACCELERATED the pandemic because they drove a frenzy of returns from overseas and 'seeded' the virus in America

Clip of Gates' interview with Fox News anchor Chris Wallace was released Friday

In it he claimed travel bans on China and Europe actually made pandemic worse

Gates says that the bans spurred a rush of Americans returning from overseas

Proper testing and quarantine protocols were not ready at the time, he says

Trump has often pointed to his China travel ban to defend his handling of virus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... demic.html
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And exactly why should it matter what a first-year college drop-out with no training in virology or epidemiology thinks?
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I'm on the panhandle for a couple more weeks. Florida just removed all restrictions on bars and restaurants and said that if you get fined for not wearing a mask you don't have to pay it. I'm assuming that individual businesses can set their own restrictions. I'm curious as to what the grocery stores are going to do.
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Maddy wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:26 pm And exactly why should it matter what a first-year college drop-out with no training in virology or epidemiology thinks?
I know, right? Just one more schmuck with an opinion.
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Grin. Speaking as yet another schmuck with an opinion ;D , here's yet another article questioning the unquestionable benefits of lockdowns:

https://reason.com/2020/09/16/how-much- ... owns-make/

To those in Florida: except for the crappy (from my point of view) weather, I'm totally jealous. We could use a Republican governor here in NY, too. Per the NYC mayor today, restaurants & bars can forget about reopening anytime in the foreseeable future. Many of the non-chain ones are starting to close down, and it's incredibly sad to watch the pointless destruction.

All I can do in the meantime is root for these guys:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcass ... 54e1e64ab5
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WiseOne wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:50 pm Grin. Speaking as yet another schmuck with an opinion ;D , here's yet another article questioning the unquestionable benefits of lockdowns:

https://reason.com/2020/09/16/how-much- ... owns-make/

To those in Florida: except for the crappy (from my point of view) weather, I'm totally jealous. We could use a Republican governor here in NY, too. Per the NYC mayor today, restaurants & bars can forget about reopening anytime in the foreseeable future. Many of the non-chain ones are starting to close down, and it's incredibly sad to watch the pointless destruction.

All I can do in the meantime is root for these guys:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcass ... 54e1e64ab5
If I were in NY, I would contribute to a fund to saw NYC off and push it into the ocean. They can be their own state and beg for money from the feds, leaving the rest of NY in peace.
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Libertarian666 wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:57 pm
WiseOne wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:50 pm Grin. Speaking as yet another schmuck with an opinion ;D , here's yet another article questioning the unquestionable benefits of lockdowns:

https://reason.com/2020/09/16/how-much- ... owns-make/

To those in Florida: except for the crappy (from my point of view) weather, I'm totally jealous. We could use a Republican governor here in NY, too. Per the NYC mayor today, restaurants & bars can forget about reopening anytime in the foreseeable future. Many of the non-chain ones are starting to close down, and it's incredibly sad to watch the pointless destruction.

All I can do in the meantime is root for these guys:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcass ... 54e1e64ab5
If I were in NY, I would contribute to a fund to saw NYC off and push it into the ocean. They can be their own state and beg for money from the feds, leaving the rest of NY in peace.
Ditto the Kalifornia, Oregon and Washington coastal metro areas. O0
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Mountaineer wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:39 am
Libertarian666 wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:57 pm
WiseOne wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:50 pm Grin. Speaking as yet another schmuck with an opinion ;D , here's yet another article questioning the unquestionable benefits of lockdowns:

https://reason.com/2020/09/16/how-much- ... owns-make/

To those in Florida: except for the crappy (from my point of view) weather, I'm totally jealous. We could use a Republican governor here in NY, too. Per the NYC mayor today, restaurants & bars can forget about reopening anytime in the foreseeable future. Many of the non-chain ones are starting to close down, and it's incredibly sad to watch the pointless destruction.

All I can do in the meantime is root for these guys:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcass ... 54e1e64ab5
If I were in NY, I would contribute to a fund to saw NYC off and push it into the ocean. They can be their own state and beg for money from the feds, leaving the rest of NY in peace.
Ditto the Kalifornia, Oregon and Washington coastal metro areas. O0
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You Can Calculate Exactly How Many Lives You'll Save by Wearing a Mask

The math depends on your mask's material.


Two Ph.D. students in Poland have built a free online calculator to help you figure out how efficient your face mask could be—or how dangerous it is to go without one.

Play around with different variables, like your own mask material and the percentage of the rest of the population that wears one.

The creators hope to quell misinformation surrounding masks.


https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... alculator/
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vnatale wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:04 am You Can Calculate Exactly How Many Lives You'll Save by Wearing a Mask

....

The creators hope to quell misinformation surrounding masks.


Say what?
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There’s a new weapon against COVID-19. And it’s dogs

https://www.fastcompany.com/90553797/th ... ontent=rss
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A Maryland man has been sentenced to one year in jail after he hosted two parties against the governor's COVID-19 large gathering orders, prosecutors said.
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This is some ridiculous PATRIOT Act level bullshit right here.
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Kriegsspiel wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:55 am
A Maryland man has been sentenced to one year in jail after he hosted two parties against the governor's COVID-19 large gathering orders, prosecutors said.
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This is some ridiculous PATRIOT Act level bullshit right here.
That's bad. Yeah, the worst case for a defendant is to be in a situation where he/she is prime for being made an example of.
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I Shrugged wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:19 am
Kriegsspiel wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:55 am
A Maryland man has been sentenced to one year in jail after he hosted two parties against the governor's COVID-19 large gathering orders, prosecutors said.
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This is some ridiculous PATRIOT Act level bullshit right here.
That's bad. Yeah, the worst case for a defendant is to be in a situation where he/she is prime for being made an example of.
I don't know if that guy has this option, but if he does, he should appeal in a federal court. Hopefully the feds would be unwilling to uphold Maryland's unconstitutional lower-level tyrannical ruling.
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NYC Principals Union Unanimously Votes ‘No Confidence’ In De Blasio
Days ahead of New York City schools reopening, the city's principals union passed a vote of "no confidence" in Mayor Bill de Blasio and schools chancellor Richard Carranza over their handling of Covid-19 and asked the state department of education to take over the reopening process...
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The principals union lashed out at Carranza and his team for demonstrating "a complete lack of respect" by not properly informing and advising NYC principals of the planned agreement, which they say will lead to additional challenges amid an already significant staff shortage (The staffing crisis forced de Blasio to delay the start of in-person classes for a second time last week.)
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Tonight I read some recommendations for watching these videos (for those video watchers out there):

https://www.youtube.com/c/PeakProsperity/videos

(Latest video: Fauci Places Politics Over Science (and your health))

For those of you who ask why should you listen to this buy, what are his credentials? He says: "I’m a trained scientist, having completed both a PhD and a post-doctoral program at Duke University, where I specialized in neurotoxicology."

Next, you may, like I, ask, what is: neurotoxicology? It is: the science that deals with the effects of poisons on the nervous system.

I'll leave it so WiseOne to tell us if that means we should put any faith in anything he has to say regarding this virus!

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Fauci’s new post-surgery voice is smooth, isn’t it, Vinny.
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And it looks like the Uncyclopedia guys have been busy :)
https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Daniel_Andrews
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Hal wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:40 pm And it looks like the Uncyclopedia guys have been busy :)
https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Daniel_Andrews
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I've been walking the beach twice a day lately, and the sands are filled with families. Kids of every age. Every day. Can't blame them, it is glorious.

Beach School is Best School.
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Straight from the Lancet:
As the world approaches 1 million deaths from COVID-19, we must confront the fact that we are taking a far too narrow approach to managing this outbreak of a new coronavirus. We have viewed the cause of this crisis as an infectious disease. All of our interventions have focused on cutting lines of viral transmission, thereby controlling the spread of the pathogen. The “science” that has guided governments has been driven mostly by epidemic modellers and infectious disease specialists, who understandably frame the present health emergency in centuries-old terms of plague. But what we have learned so far tells us that the story of COVID-19 is not so simple. Two categories of disease are interacting within specific populations—infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and an array of non-communicable diseases (NCDs). These conditions are clustering within social groups according to patterns of inequality deeply embedded in our societies. The aggregation of these diseases on a background of social and economic disparity exacerbates the adverse effects of each separate disease. COVID-19 is not a pandemic. It is a syndemic. . .

A syndemic is not merely a comorbidity. Syndemics are characterised by biological and social interactions between conditions and states, interactions that increase a person's susceptibility to harm or worsen their health outcomes. In the case of COVID-19, attacking NCDs will be a prerequisite for successful containment. As our recently published NCD Countdown 2030 showed, although premature mortality from NCDs is falling, the pace of change is too slow. The total number of people living with chronic diseases is growing. Addressing COVID-19 means addressing hypertension, obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular and chronic respiratory diseases, and cancer.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 6/fulltext

In other words, Covid-19 is just another consequence of being fat, diabetic, hypertensive, and otherwise chronically diseased.
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You forgot being unequal, which I believe the authors are using as a synonym for poor. And as everyone knows, being poor makes you obese and sickly. So we should include all poor people in the group of Vulnerables with nursing home patients and bar them from leaving their homes until we have this virus under control. We need to flatten curves of all kinds.
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Kriegsspiel wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:24 am You forgot being unequal, which I believe the authors are using as a synonym for poor. And as everyone knows, being poor makes you obese and sickly. So we should include all poor people in the group of Vulnerables with nursing home patients and bar them from leaving their homes until we have this virus under control. We need to flatten curves of all kinds.
I stick to my theory that poor = on food stamps, and when you're on food stamps you're steered toward a high carbohydrate, high-sugar, low-fat diet. That is the cheapest possible way to feed yourself. It also happens to be a nearly perfect prescription for metabolic syndrome and its associated constellation of conditions: obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimer's, and all the rest.
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WiseOne wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:08 am
Kriegsspiel wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:24 am You forgot being unequal, which I believe the authors are using as a synonym for poor. And as everyone knows, being poor makes you obese and sickly. So we should include all poor people in the group of Vulnerables with nursing home patients and bar them from leaving their homes until we have this virus under control. We need to flatten curves of all kinds.
I stick to my theory that poor = on food stamps, and when you're on food stamps you're steered toward a high carbohydrate, high-sugar, low-fat diet. That is the cheapest possible way to feed yourself. It also happens to be a nearly perfect prescription for metabolic syndrome and its associated constellation of conditions: obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimer's, and all the rest.
Yes, but of course it's RAYCISS!! to point that out.
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