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Post by vnatale » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:51 pm

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I forget if we were posting shots in this topic.... I got my second shot yesterday early afternoon. Was fine, but then started tossing and turning last night.

This morning, my body feels like I ran a marathon without training and I have a pounding headache.

This is why I stopped getting the flu shot.

Man, if they have to have x month/year boosters of this, that is going to suck.

First sick day I have taken from work in years.


I had essentially no reaction to either of the Pfizer shots. Never had a flu shot so I have no basis for comparison.

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Post by Cortopassi » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:31 am

Moderna, yes.

100% better now, so at least it was quick, thanks.
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Moderna, yes.

100% better now, so at least it was quick, thanks.
Glad you are better, Corto! 8)
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Bill Maher rants about Covid fear porn (~8 minutes):

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Post by mathjak107 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:03 pm

So saw the pulmonologist today ....

I started trying to jog and my heart rate shoots up to 150 in two minutes time ..I would see that 35 minutes in to a run as I am ending 3 miles .

She does not think it is a lung issue since we can walk miles and hills and do normal life stuff .

She thinks the covid shrunk the heart muscle back to normal capacity ...

So she wants me to see a cardiologist to confirm that is all it is and it will just take a lot of time to get back .hopefully covid didn’t damage anything..she said the after effects from covid have been so strange in the cases she says and everyone seems to have different crazy stuff happening after
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So saw the pulmonologist today ....

I started trying to jog and my heart rate shoots up to 150 in two minutes time ..I would see that 35 minutes in to a run as I am ending 3 miles .

She does not think it is a lung issue since we can walk miles and hills and do normal life stuff .

She thinks the covid shrunk the heart muscle back to normal capacity ...

So she wants me to see a cardiologist to confirm that is all it is and it will just take a lot of time to get back .hopefully covid didn’t damage anything..she said the after effects from covid have been so strange in the cases she says and everyone seems to have different crazy stuff happening after
Damn, that is rough. Do you know what your pre-Covid resting heart rate was? And what about now? You're both a numbers guy and a runner so I am guessing that you have a pretty good idea.

And wouldn't it be the inactivity due to Covid rather than the virus itself that has affected your heart so much?

Sure hope you can get back to your pre-Covid level of health.
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Post by mathjak107 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:14 pm

We were not at the gyn for 9 months ...within two attempts I was running normal and had a heart rate that was what I always got ...

After covid I can’t run more than 3 minutes or I feel like I can’t catch my breath , so something is different...resting heart rate is pretty much the same ..

Normal daily life if fine , I can walk miles .

But once the pedal goes to the metal there is a problem
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:06 pm

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She thinks the covid shrunk the heart muscle back to normal capacity ...
Sounds like a weird reaction to a Virus but if it's true it also sounds like COVID might be beneficial to people like you.

I've read that long distance cyclists and marathon runners tend to have an enlarged heart problem due to over exercising the heart muscles and it can be a problem when you start slowing down.

Did a lot of long distance cycling in my day but probably never got to that point - or at least I don't think so. When I get out of breath doing something outside I tend to take it as a good thing and that I'm doing something right that's good for me - as long as it doesn't get too weird.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:09 pm

Just a few thoughts...you didn't mention being out of breath but could it have something to do with the mask you're wearing? Is it different from the one you had on before? Or did you not use one before?

I also favor the prolonged inactivity (e.g. while sick & quarantined) and time needed for full lung recovery explanations. If you had a significant cardiac problem, the mild increase in heart rate on heavy exertion would not be the only symptom. FWIW. Do get the testing if that would be best for peace of mind.
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Post by mathjak107 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:13 pm

sophie wrote:
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Just a few thoughts...you didn't mention being out of breath but could it have something to do with the mask you're wearing? Is it different from the one you had on before? Or did you not use one before?

I also favor the prolonged inactivity (e.g. while sick & quarantined) and time needed for full lung recovery explanations. If you had a significant cardiac problem, the mild increase in heart rate on heavy exertion would not be the only symptom. FWIW. Do get the testing if that would be best for peace of mind.
I tried with and without the mask outdoors ..the same ..,I will get it checked out ....

If it wasn’t for the fact I bounced right back pre covid after 9 months of not running I would just go with the loss of capacity premise ...but after covid and 4 months this is very different
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:41 pm

It's hell getting old, recovery goes right in the shitter. Especially for endurance which, IIRC from Supertraining, is the quickest form of fitness to lose/gain.
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Post by pugchief » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:45 pm

I can tell you that, no sickness involved, when I had to lay off the weights for a couple of weeks due to various injuries, it takes a long time to get back to where you were before. It's amazing how fast you lose the progress. MJ, your problem may have nothing to do with Covid, just the amount of time you took off.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by mathjak107 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:17 am

I took 9 months off before covid when everything was closed ...I had no such issues after the first week back so things are very different now after covid and it was only half the time away.

I certainly had no issues pre covid breathing heavy walking flights of stairs , so I am not so sure now that there is not some covid issue ,especially heart wise but I will see what the cardiologist finds
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:27 am

pugchief wrote:
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I can tell you that, no sickness involved, when I had to lay off the weights for a couple of weeks due to various injuries, it takes a long time to get back to where you were before.
That's why I do not exercise purposefully!

I do it (bike riding mainly) for enjoyment. My wife works out religiously.

I've never been able to get those bicep veins sticking out anyway, which was a goal for years of lifting weights.

I hate lifting weights. Unless I am lugging bags of mulch to the backyard, or something useful, vs. lifting for the sake of lifting.

My opinion, you mileage may vary.... ;)
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Post by mathjak107 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:59 am

Things we typically do don’t really count as exercise once your body gets used to it ..exercise constantly needs new levels of stress to remain exercise and not routine
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Post by vnatale » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:44 am

Cortopassi wrote:
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pugchief wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:45 pm

I can tell you that, no sickness involved, when I had to lay off the weights for a couple of weeks due to various injuries, it takes a long time to get back to where you were before.

That's why I do not exercise purposefully!

I do it (bike riding mainly) for enjoyment. My wife works out religiously.

I've never been able to get those bicep veins sticking out anyway, which was a goal for years of lifting weights.

I hate lifting weights. Unless I am lugging bags of mulch to the backyard, or something useful, vs. lifting for the sake of lifting.

My opinion, you mileage may vary.... ;)


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Has turned me into a barbell evangelist. I had no idea how using them would so much improve my quality of life.

It's allowed me to continue to do certain things that I otherwise would have had to cease years ago. And, allowed me to do some things I'd never prior been able to do.
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Post by Tortoise » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:25 pm

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I had no idea how using [barbells] would so much improve my quality of life.

It's allowed me to continue to do certain things that I otherwise would have had to cease years ago. And, allowed me to do some things I'd never prior been able to do.
One of my uncles in his mid-80s (who never did strength training, to my knowledge) recently fell and... you guessed it -- broke his hip. Had a hip replacement surgery but didn't recover well from it, so he's now on hospice at home.

It's such a predicable pattern. A person gets older, their muscle mass and bone density gradually and inevitably waste away, and then one day either they lack the muscle mass to get up from the toilet or they lack the bone density to keep their hip intact when they fall down.

Lifting heavy weights slows down that wasting away process, so it pretty directly contributes to increased longevity and quality of life. Most people understand the cliche motivations of lifting weights to "get big" or to be able to fling heavy objects around like the Hulk, but a lot of them probably don't know about the longevity and quality of life benefits.
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Post by vnatale » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:01 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:25 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:44 am

I had no idea how using [barbells] would so much improve my quality of life.

It's allowed me to continue to do certain things that I otherwise would have had to cease years ago. And, allowed me to do some things I'd never prior been able to do.


One of my uncles in his mid-80s (who never did strength training, to my knowledge) recently fell and... you guessed it -- broke his hip. Had a hip replacement surgery but didn't recover well from it, so he's now on hospice at home.

It's such a predicable pattern. A person gets older, their muscle mass and bone density gradually and inevitably waste away, and then one day either they lack the muscle mass to get up from the toilet or they lack the bone density to keep their hip intact when they fall down.

Lifting heavy weights slows down that wasting away process, so it pretty directly contributes to increased longevity and quality of life. Most people understand the cliche motivations of lifting weights to "get big" or to be able to fling heavy objects around like the Hulk, but a lot of them probably don't know about the longevity and quality of life benefits.


My immediate reason for starting with them was to hit the softball farther.

My first session was on a Friday.

I was shocked how during that first session I was already feeling a change in quality in life. Then it was was reinforced the next two days (Saturday & Sunday) when I was doing familiar activities except that they were now already being done better just from my first session.

Now doing them three times a week (along with the rest of my exercise regimen) is a must in my life.
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Post by Xan » Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:10 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:01 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:25 pm
vnatale wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:44 am
I had no idea how using [barbells] would so much improve my quality of life.

It's allowed me to continue to do certain things that I otherwise would have had to cease years ago. And, allowed me to do some things I'd never prior been able to do.
One of my uncles in his mid-80s (who never did strength training, to my knowledge) recently fell and... you guessed it -- broke his hip. Had a hip replacement surgery but didn't recover well from it, so he's now on hospice at home.

It's such a predicable pattern. A person gets older, their muscle mass and bone density gradually and inevitably waste away, and then one day either they lack the muscle mass to get up from the toilet or they lack the bone density to keep their hip intact when they fall down.

Lifting heavy weights slows down that wasting away process, so it pretty directly contributes to increased longevity and quality of life. Most people understand the cliche motivations of lifting weights to "get big" or to be able to fling heavy objects around like the Hulk, but a lot of them probably don't know about the longevity and quality of life benefits.
My immediate reason for starting with them was to hit the softball farther.

My first session was on a Friday.

I was shocked how during that first session I was already feeling a change in quality in life. Then it was was reinforced the next two days (Saturday & Sunday) when I was doing familiar activities except that they were now already being done better just from my first session.

Now doing them three times a week (along with the rest of my exercise regimen) is a must in my life.
Vinny, can you give us more details about your equipment and routine?
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Post by glennds » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:39 am

Xan wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:10 pm
vnatale wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:01 pm
Tortoise wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:25 pm
vnatale wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:44 am
I had no idea how using [barbells] would so much improve my quality of life.

It's allowed me to continue to do certain things that I otherwise would have had to cease years ago. And, allowed me to do some things I'd never prior been able to do.
One of my uncles in his mid-80s (who never did strength training, to my knowledge) recently fell and... you guessed it -- broke his hip. Had a hip replacement surgery but didn't recover well from it, so he's now on hospice at home.

It's such a predicable pattern. A person gets older, their muscle mass and bone density gradually and inevitably waste away, and then one day either they lack the muscle mass to get up from the toilet or they lack the bone density to keep their hip intact when they fall down.

Lifting heavy weights slows down that wasting away process, so it pretty directly contributes to increased longevity and quality of life. Most people understand the cliche motivations of lifting weights to "get big" or to be able to fling heavy objects around like the Hulk, but a lot of them probably don't know about the longevity and quality of life benefits.
My immediate reason for starting with them was to hit the softball farther.

My first session was on a Friday.

I was shocked how during that first session I was already feeling a change in quality in life. Then it was was reinforced the next two days (Saturday & Sunday) when I was doing familiar activities except that they were now already being done better just from my first session.

Now doing them three times a week (along with the rest of my exercise regimen) is a must in my life.
Vinny, can you give us more details about your equipment and routine?
Ditto Vinny, I'd like to hear about it also. I happened to recently see Bigger, the movie about the life story of Joe Weider, thoroughly enjoyed it. So between that and your post, I'm now thinking seriously about getting into some weight training.
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Post by Cortopassi » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:34 am

I am curious if anyone knows -- pug mentioned the fact if you stop for a few weeks for whatever reason, you lose a lot of the gains you had from lifting.

But when you guys talk about old people wasting away, is it a known fact that if someone did strength training for most of their life, let's say, and then for the last 10 years could not anymore, do they have gains in their muscles and bones that continue to help them during those 10 years?

For example, my dad was a moose. Never worked out but as a truck mechanic, had a physical job and always did physical things around the house (installing patios, etc) for his entire life. Then a couple knee replacements and arthritis. He turns 89 today. Uses a walker. I look at him, and I see nothing of that lifetime of work/strength ethic having done anything to improve the situation he's been in for the past 5+ years?
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Post by flyingpylon » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:13 pm

Since I posted about last year's Indy 500 in this thread, here's an update. The 2021 race will be run as scheduled May 30th with fan attendance at approximately 40% or 135,000. It will be the highest-attended sporting event in the US since the onset of COVID-19. There will be temperature checks at the gates and masks will be required except when eating or drinking. There will be no general admission tickets or infield seating, and any concerts (including the "Snake Pit" on race day) have been canceled.

See you there! ;)
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Post by vnatale » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:16 am

Xan wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:10 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:01 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:25 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:44 am

I had no idea how using [barbells] would so much improve my quality of life.

It's allowed me to continue to do certain things that I otherwise would have had to cease years ago. And, allowed me to do some things I'd never prior been able to do.


One of my uncles in his mid-80s (who never did strength training, to my knowledge) recently fell and... you guessed it -- broke his hip. Had a hip replacement surgery but didn't recover well from it, so he's now on hospice at home.

It's such a predicable pattern. A person gets older, their muscle mass and bone density gradually and inevitably waste away, and then one day either they lack the muscle mass to get up from the toilet or they lack the bone density to keep their hip intact when they fall down.

Lifting heavy weights slows down that wasting away process, so it pretty directly contributes to increased longevity and quality of life. Most people understand the cliche motivations of lifting weights to "get big" or to be able to fling heavy objects around like the Hulk, but a lot of them probably don't know about the longevity and quality of life benefits.


My immediate reason for starting with them was to hit the softball farther.

My first session was on a Friday.

I was shocked how during that first session I was already feeling a change in quality in life. Then it was was reinforced the next two days (Saturday & Sunday) when I was doing familiar activities except that they were now already being done better just from my first session.

Now doing them three times a week (along with the rest of my exercise regimen) is a must in my life.


Vinny, can you give us more details about your equipment and routine?


For certain. Just not at this moment as I'm actually in the midst of one of my 3 minute rest periods between my work set barbell exercises.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:42 am

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I am curious if anyone knows -- pug mentioned the fact if you stop for a few weeks for whatever reason, you lose a lot of the gains you had from lifting.
What you're talking about are two different components of strength training. One of the factors in getting stronger is neural; your brain and nerves get better at activating the muscles. The second factor is muscle gain; more muscle can move more weight.

What you lose when you take a long time off from lifting is the neural component. It's the opposite of Pavel's Grease The Groove, where you lift multiple times a day every day (to "grease" the neural groove). You kind of get "out of practice" and find you aren't as strong as you were before you took time off. However, you can get this kind of strength back relatively quickly once you start lifting again. Your muscles don't just disintegrate after a couple weeks of not pushing their limits.

In fact, one lifting system (Hypertrophy Specific Training) is pretty much a simple linear periodization plan that incorporates a 2 week deload period where you just do very light exercise in order to decondition your muscles. When you start lifting again, your body is deconditioned enough to respond to the light weights that normally wouldn't elicit any hypertrophy.
But when you guys talk about old people wasting away, is it a known fact that if someone did strength training for most of their life, let's say, and then for the last 10 years could not anymore, do they have gains in their muscles and bones that continue to help them during those 10 years?
Yes, that is a known fact. Strength training increases a lot of health markers, especially muscle mass and bone density, which don't go away immediately when one stops training. So during your hypothetical's 10 sedentary years, they'll still have those gains for at least some of them. Which they wouldn't have had if they hadn't done strength training.
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