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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by dualstow » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:26 am

vnatale wrote:
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This truly seems to have been accepted by all of us as the new normal as I was just shocked to see that no one had put anything here in this topic for nine (!!) days....
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.
This is beautifully put MangoMan...as usual!! I just couldn't resist adding a little coda: being FI with the PP has got to be the best possible situation to be in today, apart from being the CEO of Amazon. We're set no matter what happens now:

Possibility #1: end of lockdowns -> market keeps going, economy recovers, your PP does just fine.
Possibility #2: perennial or recurring lockdowns with permanent ongoing restrictions/mask mandates putting up social barriers and discouraging a return to normal life, with no endpoint in sight -> we dive into an outright depression . PP will do just fine (just keep that bond allocation going).
Possibility #3: regardless of lockdowns, this board gets identified as containing the wrong opinions/views, all of us are doxxed, and we are penalized in various ways. The most important being that we get fired and blacklisted from future employment.

So who is close to being FI? I think that should be everyone's #1 priority right now. I did my numbers in the beginning of January, and I'm 6 months away from a comfortable, well-padded retirement but could easily scrape by right now. I'm assuming a standard 4% safe withdrawal rate, a 27% discount to Social Security, average tax rate of 17% and adding a 10% expense cushion, increasing to 20% after age 70.

I've been mostly lurking guys, with really very little opportunity to post. I'm definitely enjoying the commentaries, and very much thankful that the forum has been able to get it together and keep the tradition going.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:47 am

MangoMan wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:56 am
The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.
Very well said. You think it's bad now, buckle your seatbelt. I sometimes feel we are being "conditioned" to what the real plan is. Sure hope I'm wrong about that. I'd say more, but someone might think I'm a twit, or might cause someone to lose face while sitting in the parlor watching the tube and aptly chatting. Meanwhile, the clock is tick tocking. ;)
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:22 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:47 am

MangoMan wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:56 am

The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.


Very well said. You think it's bad now, buckle your seatbelt. I sometimes feel we are being "conditioned" to what the real plan is. Sure hope I'm wrong about that. I'd say more, but someone might think I'm a twit, or might cause someone to lose face while sitting in the parlor watching the tube and aptly chatting. Meanwhile, the clock is tick tocking. ;)


I can assure you you are wrong about this. There is no "real plan"!

Just a lot of politicians who are afraid to lead and who are flailing away in the darkness.

There is no sinister, coordinated plot among them.

They are all doing what they think is best.

This would have been a case where a federal government led by someone who was proven to be trustworthy, whose integrity was beyond reproach....could have gone a LONG way.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by dualstow » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:40 pm

Hal wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:05 pm
On no....Not again!
https://www.rt.com/news/512142-victoria ... e-andrews/
I am interstate and now have to get a permit to return home :o
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/1 ... ity-award/
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...So who is close to being FI? I think that should be everyone's #1 priority right now. I did my numbers in the beginning of January, and I'm 6 months away from a comfortable, well-padded retirement but could easily scrape by right now. I'm assuming a standard 4% safe withdrawal rate, a 27% discount to Social Security, average tax rate of 17% and adding a 10% expense cushion, increasing to 20% after age 70.

I've been mostly lurking guys, with really very little opportunity to post. I'm definitely enjoying the commentaries, and very much thankful that the forum has been able to get it together and keep the tradition going.
I feel funny saying it in a virus thread, but congrats, WiseOne!
And more on topic: best of luck getting back to your home provice, Hal.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by boglerdude » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:10 am

> Just a lot of politicians who are afraid to lead and who are flailing away in the darkness

Iono, curfews are spreading. All day long in Lebanon. People aren't asking for that. We've been fine with "war zone" ERs during flu season, for years.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:17 am

vnatale wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:22 pm
Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:47 am
MangoMan wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:56 am
The issue isn't living with Covid forever. We are living with the flu forever and go about our lives anyway. The issue is living with the masks, lockdowns and new draconian government power that Covid has brought that we can't endure.
Very well said. You think it's bad now, buckle your seatbelt. I sometimes feel we are being "conditioned" to what the real plan is. Sure hope I'm wrong about that. I'd say more, but someone might think I'm a twit, or might cause someone to lose face while sitting in the parlor watching the tube and aptly chatting. Meanwhile, the clock is tick tocking. ;)
I can assure you you are wrong about this. There is no "real plan"!

Just a lot of politicians who are afraid to lead and who are flailing away in the darkness.

There is no sinister, coordinated plot among them.

They are all doing what they think is best.

This would have been a case where a federal government led by someone who was proven to be trustworthy, whose integrity was beyond reproach....could have gone a LONG way.
Vinny, my first four sentences were a set up for the last two. Reread and think social media (Twitter, Facebook, Parler, YouTube, AppChat, TikTok). And note the emoji. I think your response indicated you thought I was being serious. Lighten up Dude, have some fun, life is short, try some Single Malt! ;)
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:14 am

Klaus Schwab, a self-acknowledged Elite, has come right out and asserted that he and his cronies do indeed have a plan, and have described this plan as involving some of the most dystopic, authoritarian objectives that could possibly be imagined.

What kind of personality denies what comes directly out of the mouths of these people?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:05 am

Maddy wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:14 am

Klaus Schwab, a self-acknowledged Elite, has come right out and asserted that he and his cronies do indeed have a plan, and have described this plan as involving some of the most dystopic, authoritarian objectives that could possibly be imagined.

What kind of personality denies what comes directly out of the mouths of these people?


a. Prior to reading this post I'd never prior heard the name "Klaus Schwab". Is it your expectation that we are all to know who he is? That the general populace knows who he is?

b. Is this him? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab. I just read it. What about him is supposed to be of concern to us?

c. Where has he " come right out and asserted that he and his cronies do indeed have a plan"?

d. "What kind of personality denies what comes directly out of the mouths of these people?" Probably the kind that has no no context or detail regarding any of this other than the barest of details you provide above and, thereby, makes no judgments upon which one has no knowledge or information.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:29 pm

Here Vinny, let me Google that for you. This article by Schwab in the World Economic Forum was the top search result for "Klaus Schwab on coronavirus":
The only acceptable response to such a crisis is to pursue a “Great Reset” of our economies, politics, and societies. Indeed, this is a moment to re-evaluate the sacred cows of the pre-pandemic system, but also to defend certain long-held values. The task we face is to preserve the accomplishments of the past 75 years in a more sustainable form.
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The Great Reset should seek to lend a voice to those who have been left behind, so that everyone who is willing to “co-shape” the future can do so. The reset that we need is not a revolution or a shift to some new ideology. Rather, it should be seen as a pragmatic step toward a more resilient, cohesive, and sustainable world. Some of the pillars of the global system will need to be replaced, and others repaired or strengthened. To achieve shared progress, prosperity, and health requires nothing more – or less.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/ ... -equality/
From the context of Maddy's most recent post, yes, that is pretty obviously the Klaus Schwab she's referring to.

And this is from the Wikipedia article on the Great Reset (the phrase mentioned in the previous quote by Schwab):
The Great Reset is a proposal by the World Economic Forum (WEF) to rebuild the economy sustainably following the COVID-19 pandemic. It was unveiled in May 2020 by the United Kingdom's Prince Charles and WEF director Klaus Schwab.[1][2] It seeks to improve capitalism by making investments more geared toward mutual progress and focusing more on environmental initiatives. A petition in Canada to stop it gained 80,000 signatures in less than 72 hours. A conspiracy theory has spread in response, claiming it will be used to bring in a supposed New World Order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
Since Wikipedia calls the New World Order concerns surrounding the Great Reset a "conspiracy theory," we can all safely ignore them. Totally discredited! ;)
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:29 pm

Here Vinny, let me Google that for you. This article by Schwab in the World Economic Forum was the top search result for "Klaus Schwab on coronavirus":


The only acceptable response to such a crisis is to pursue a “Great Reset” of our economies, politics, and societies. Indeed, this is a moment to re-evaluate the sacred cows of the pre-pandemic system, but also to defend certain long-held values. The task we face is to preserve the accomplishments of the past 75 years in a more sustainable form.
[...]
The Great Reset should seek to lend a voice to those who have been left behind, so that everyone who is willing to “co-shape” the future can do so. The reset that we need is not a revolution or a shift to some new ideology. Rather, it should be seen as a pragmatic step toward a more resilient, cohesive, and sustainable world. Some of the pillars of the global system will need to be replaced, and others repaired or strengthened. To achieve shared progress, prosperity, and health requires nothing more – or less.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/ ... -equality/


From the context of Maddy's most recent post, yes, that is pretty obviously the Klaus Schwab she's referring to.

And this is from the Wikipedia article on the Great Reset (the phrase mentioned in the previous quote by Schwab):


The Great Reset is a proposal by the World Economic Forum (WEF) to rebuild the economy sustainably following the COVID-19 pandemic. It was unveiled in May 2020 by the United Kingdom's Prince Charles and WEF director Klaus Schwab.[1][2] It seeks to improve capitalism by making investments more geared toward mutual progress and focusing more on environmental initiatives. A petition in Canada to stop it gained 80,000 signatures in less than 72 hours. A conspiracy theory has spread in response, claiming it will be used to bring in a supposed New World Order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset


Since Wikipedia calls the New World Order concerns surrounding the Great Reset a "conspiracy theory," we can all safely ignore them. Totally discredited! ;)


His name is thrown around like whatever he has to say has the same impact as when someone far more highly known has to say something.

I'm sorry. If you have to do research to find out who this person is because he is so unfamiliar to most then said person is not a particularly impactful person.

And, course, the conspiracy theorists are always ready to jump into anything that does not meet their approval.

Finally, thanks for enlightening me with the above. Do you have any problems with the ultimate goals of The Great Reset? Do the conspiracy theorists? Or, is it their never ending paranoia regarding the methods that MAY be used to get to those goals?

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:32 pm

Simonjester wrote:
vnatale wrote:
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Finally, thanks for enlightening me with the above. Do you have any problems with the ultimate goals of The Great Reset? Do the conspiracy theorists? Or, is it their never ending paranoia regarding the methods that MAY be used to get to those goals?

if you want to debate or discuss with people in good faith, you might stop using the pejorative "conspiracy theorist", all you are doing is showing people that you have labeled their opinions and dismissed them without thought...
no point in replying to that...


Is that in any way similar to others using the pejorative...."liberals"..."The left"...."The Leftists"?

I don't dismiss anyone's opinions without thought. However, when I read some of the opinions expressed I have to classify some of them as belonging to the "conspiracy theorist" category.
Simonjester wrote:

but liberalism the left and leftists are great! and correct about everything, how can accurately describing them as such be a pejorative ;) ?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:51 pm

On the face of it the goals stated by Schwab seem perfectly honorable.

But I am far more left leaning than most here.

I assume many reading what he writes immediately scream socialism.

And I would have to respond, ok, sure, why not? We already do it with so many things, to questionable results sometimes, I’ll give you that. But as population grows and jobs shrink due to automation, what are the great number of poorly employed or unemployed going to do? Seems a UBI is likely to be in order, at a minimum.

Anyway don’t flame me for this, I know this is political, and in the Covid discussion but I didn’t start it!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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vnatale wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm
His name [Klaus Schwab] is thrown around like whatever he has to say has the same impact as when someone far more highly known has to say something.
I didn't recognize his name, either, but when I googled it, I discovered that he's the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum -- an organization whose name I do recognize.

It's not an organization whose name most people would recognize, but it's one of the handful of international groups that has periodic gatherings of some of the wealthiest and most powerful businessmen, politicians, academics, and celebrities in the world:
The WEF hosts an annual meeting at the end of January in Davos, a mountain resort in Graubünden, in the eastern Alps region of Switzerland. The meeting brings together some 3,000 business leaders, international political leaders, economists, celebrities and journalists for up to five days to discuss global issues, across 500 sessions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum
So it's basically the 1% of the 1% of the 1%. The elite. Another such organization is the Bilderberg Group.
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I'm sorry. If you have to do research to find out who this person is because he is so unfamiliar to most then said person is not a particularly impactful person.
It's pretty clear that the founder and executive chairman of an organization that hosts an annual meeting of a few thousand of the world's wealthiest and most powerful elites is at least somewhat impactful -- even if you and most other people don't recognize his name.
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And, course, the conspiracy theorists are always ready to jump into anything that does not meet their approval.
Aren't we all, especially on a discussion forum?
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Do you have any problems with the ultimate goals of The Great Reset?
The main problem I have with the Great Reset is that its goals are fundamentally socialist in nature. A secondary problem I have with it is that it's explicitly predicated on taking advantage of a crisis -- the Covid-19 pandemic -- to push its agenda. When I see people exploiting crises to push agendas that are harder to push during more stable times, my instinct is to be skeptical of the effort.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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vnatale wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm
His name [Klaus Schwab] is thrown around like whatever he has to say has the same impact as when someone far more highly known has to say something.
vnatale wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm
I'm sorry. If you have to do research to find out who this person is because he is so unfamiliar to most then said person is not a particularly impactful person.
I give up.
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Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:36 pm




The above is long, long, long, long, long!

Read through it at record speed.

While the author accurately quotes Schwab with liberal citations.....the authors' interpretations are not black and white interpretations. The author makes extreme interpretations to match the author's world view.

Though there is liberal citation from many of Schwab's work none of those actual Schwab writings persuaded me of these sweeping generalizations made by the author such as:


"Born in Ravensburg in 1938, Klaus Schwab is a child of Adolf Hitler’s Germany, a police-state regime built on fear and violence, on brainwashing and control, on propaganda and lies, on industrialism and eugenics, on dehumanisation and “disinfection”, on a chilling and grandiose vision of a “new order” that would last a thousand years.

Schwab seems to have dedicated his life to reinventing that nightmare and to trying to turn it into a reality not just for Germany but for the whole world.

Worse still, as his own words confirm time and time again, his technocratic fascist vision is also a twisted transhumanist one, which will merge humans with machines in “curious mixes of digital-and-analog life”, which will infect our bodies with “Smart Dust” and in which the police will apparently be able to read our brains.

And, as we will see, he and his accomplices are using the Covid-19 crisis to bypass democratic accountability, to override opposition, to accelerate their agenda and to impose it on the rest of humankind against our will in what he terms a “Great Reset“."



"The “partnerships” which the WEF creates are aimed at replacing democracy with a global leadership of hand-picked and unelected individuals whose duty is not to serve the public, but to impose the rule of the 1% on that public with as little interference from the rest of us as possible."


"Everything in this world is reduced to economic challenges, economic imperatives and economic benefits for the ruling capitalist class.

The myth of Progress has long been used by the 1% to persuade people to accept the technologies designed to exploit and control us and Schwab plays on this when he declares that “the Fourth Industrial Revolution represents a significant source of hope for continuing the climb in human development that has resulted in dramatic increases in quality of life for billions of people since 1800”. (4)"


"The truth is that this highly influential figure, at the centre of the new global order currently being established, is an out-and-out transhumanist who dreams of an end to natural healthy human life and community."



I could go on and on with the author's assertions....none of which he convicted me of the validity of any of them.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:38 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:52 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:51 pm

On the face of it the goals stated by Schwab seem perfectly honorable.

But I am far more left leaning than most here.

I assume many reading what he writes immediately scream socialism.

And I would have to respond, ok, sure, why not? We already do it with so many things, to questionable results sometimes, I’ll give you that. But as population grows and jobs shrink due to automation, what are the great number of poorly employed or unemployed going to do? Seems a UBI is likely to be in order, at a minimum.

Anyway don’t flame me for this, I know this is political, and in the Covid discussion but I didn’t start it!


How about bc the problems that they aim to fix are more perceived than real?


Substitute one of those named problems for "art" in the following quote and I believe it'd be a correct statement.

"“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.”"

Whether or not a problem is more perceived than real is subject to each person's interpretation.

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Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:47 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:20 pm

vnatale wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm

His name [Klaus Schwab] is thrown around like whatever he has to say has the same impact as when someone far more highly known has to say something.


I didn't recognize his name, either, but when I googled it, I discovered that he's the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum -- an organization whose name I do recognize.

It's not an organization whose name most people would recognize, but it's one of the handful of international groups that has periodic gatherings of some of the wealthiest and most powerful businessmen, politicians, academics, and celebrities in the world:


The WEF hosts an annual meeting at the end of January in Davos, a mountain resort in Graubünden, in the eastern Alps region of Switzerland. The meeting brings together some 3,000 business leaders, international political leaders, economists, celebrities and journalists for up to five days to discuss global issues, across 500 sessions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum


So it's basically the 1% of the 1% of the 1%. The elite. Another such organization is the Bilderberg Group.


[font=][font=]What ARE the documented results of any of these meeting? How did they affect what our presidents and senators and congress people have decided to do?[/font][/font]


vnatale wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm

I'm sorry. If you have to do research to find out who this person is because he is so unfamiliar to most then said person is not a particularly impactful person.


It's pretty clear that the founder and executive chairman of an organization that hosts an annual meeting of a few thousand of the world's wealthiest and most powerful elites is at least somewhat impactful -- even if you and most other people don't recognize his name.

Emphasis on somewhat. What is this precise somewhat? Again how much of it filters to how our country is governed and then its ultimate effect on each of us?

vnatale wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm

And, course, the conspiracy theorists are always ready to jump into anything that does not meet their approval.


Aren't we all, especially on a discussion forum?

Some. Some more than others.

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Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:45 pm

Do you have any problems with the ultimate goals of The Great Reset?


The main problem I have with the Great Reset is that its goals are fundamentally socialist in nature. A secondary problem I have with it is that it's explicitly predicated on taking advantage of a crisis -- the Covid-19 pandemic -- to push its agenda. When I see people exploiting crises to push agendas that are harder to push during more stable times, my instinct is to be skeptical of the effort.


Define what you believe to be socialist and what is not. My street getting snow plowed in front of my house so I do not have do it myself?

Crises are the only time we get certain things done. Other times it's only constant petty squabbling with nothing getting done.
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If "winteroak" appeals to you (he appears to be Paul Cudenec?)...you can get free PDFs of books written by him and others:

https://winteroak.org.uk/books/


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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:51 pm

The [European] health authority said further in its most blunt statement cautioning against a policy of a blanket promotion of the vaccine for all:

"For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant."
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/norw ... -23-deaths

Uh, am I getting this right? The benefit of the vaccine to the vulnerable population may be "marginal or irrelevant" due to their short remaining life span--but we're turning the world upside down to keep them from being infected?
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Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:01 pm

Maddy wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:51 pm

The [European] health authority said further in its most blunt statement cautioning against a policy of a blanket promotion of the vaccine for all:

"For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant."


https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/norw ... -23-deaths

Uh, am I getting this right? The benefit of the vaccine to the vulnerable population may be "marginal or irrelevant" due to their short remaining life span--but we're turning the world upside down to keep them from being infected?


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/us/p ... ptics.html

"Mr. Trump has been quick to claim credit for the manufacturing and distribution of the vaccine. “Distribution to start immediately,” he said Friday on Twitter, a day after an F.D.A. expert advisory panel recommended approval of Moderna’s vaccine."
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:12 pm

tomfoolery wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:06 pm

Tortoise wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:29 pm


Since Wikipedia calls the New World Order concerns surrounding the Great Reset a "conspiracy theory," we can all safely ignore them. Totally discredited! ;)


Wikipedia is the best source of information; because anyone in the world can edit it.


We used to have someone here who was some kind of Wikipedia editor or equivalent.

Wikipedia is similar to C-Span. A true peoples' driven product.

Many people call into C-Span berating the hosts for not correcting a prior caller's misinformation. The hosts merely respond with: That's your job to provide better information or evidence. We are merely facilitators of the peoples' discussion.

Wikipedia is an unbelievable source. I find out many things there about so many diverse things that I would never find elsewhere. Not even close. I'm constantly amazed with the detail that I find there.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:17 pm

I assume you have some method to verify the information?
DNA has its own language (code), and language requires intelligence. There is no known mechanism by which matter can give birth to information, let alone language. It is unreasonable to believe the world could have happened by chance.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:27 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:17 pm

I assume you have some method to verify the information?


Wikipedia's information?

Of course not. I have to take it on faith just as I accept on faith a myriad of other things in my life that I do not verify.

Do you independently measure each gallon of fuel that goes into your vehicles? Or, do you accept on faith that you are being treated fairly?

Unless I have a reason not to trust I will trust. However, once I am given a reason not to trust...then that source may never be trusted again or will be constantly under a cloud of distrust.

Trust and being trusted is a precious thing. I believe that most people realize that and also realize how easily they can lose it. Therefore, I believe most people are not going to do things to cause you to lose trust in them.

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