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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:13 am

It's being reported this morning that Germany has once again gone full-blown Nazi, carrying out raids against citizens daring to contradict the official CoVid narrative.

https://twitter.com/JohnBWellsCTM/statu ... 7384527874

Still think this is about a virus?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by flyingpylon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:40 am

This is a very interesting interview with Mike Yeadon, a former VP at Pfizer, regarding his thoughts about COVID-19 and the UK’s response to it. It has been removed by YouTube but it’s still available at Facebook... for now.

https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunited ... 283542470/
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:55 am

Maddy wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:13 am
It's being reported this morning that Germany has once again gone full-blown Nazi, carrying out raids against citizens daring to contradict the official CoVid narrative.

https://twitter.com/JohnBWellsCTM/statu ... 7384527874

Still think this is about a virus?
Well, it does seem an over reaction to get intelligence agencies involved...
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gov ... own-report
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:17 am

Maddy wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:18 am
The media hasn't allowed even a small slice of the truth about this to be aired. I am, at the moment, beginning the workup of a wrongful death case involving one of the many victims of this political stunt who were locked down and therefore unable to obtain monitoring and treatment for cancer. It was my friend, and I watched the whole fricking thing unfold from beginning to end.

They've counted every last sniffle in this county, but no one has shown the slightest interest in including my friend's death in their statistics.
How awful. The people responsible for this outrage should roast in hell.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:45 am

A recent medical study found that of people who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 on an RT-PCR test with a cycle threshold of 35 (the standard threshold currently used in the U.S.), less than 3% of them are actually infectious:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-ar ... 91/5912603

The take-home message: For many months now, U.S. policy decisions on lockdowns, school closures, etc. have been based on an RT-PCR test setting that’s far too sensitive for the intended application.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:51 am

Tortoise wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:45 am
A recent medical study found that of people who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 on an RT-PCR test with a cycle threshold of 35 (the standard threshold currently used in the U.S.), less than 3% of them are actually infectious:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-ar ... 91/5912603

The take-home message: For many months now, U.S. policy decisions on lockdowns, school closures, etc. have been based on an RT-PCR test setting that’s far too sensitive for the intended application.
Depending on the definition of "intended", of course. >:(
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:34 am

I have not approached my friends here at work who were of the belief that on Nov 4th, Corona would just start "disappearing."

Wondering for those who track Q or other conspiracies, what the latest conspiracy morphing has become?

Has it gone from Covid disappearing after the election to Biden's going to lock everybody down for months and destroy the economy?

I suppose most in the conspiracy crowd still believe Trump will stay in office?

I thought I was writing this tongue in cheek, but I am seriously asking.
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Post by Cortopassi » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:58 am

Biased? Absolutely. Grand conspiracy? Unlikely.

And if the intention was to single out FL so more people would vote for Biden, it didn't work.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:00 pm

Is that even really worth talking about? It all depends on how much testing is done - which depends in part on how panicky the population is. Remember that when the media says "cases" they really mean "positive tests", which are an entirely different animal and some unknown proportion of them are clinically irrelevant. And "hospitalizations are increasing" is not helpful either, because that always happens this time of year. You need to know whether the increase differs from the normal range.

Perhaps a better assessment is the question I asked a couple people I know on the front lines: If there was no media reporting, no testing, and you weren't aware that there was such a thing as COVID, would current conditions in emergency medical settings be unusual?

My sister (ER doc in Massachusetts) said yes, because of nursing home patients coming in with clinical syndromes that are not like the flu. The number of these isn't too different from what she'd normally see, only the clinical presentation. And she's not seeing anything unusual in any other demographic group.

My friend (NYC paramedic) said no. He's been watching the figures for ambulance/911 calls, and there is nothing out of the ordinary going on. In the spring he was working extra shifts nonstop for the two months that the big spike lasted, but none of that is happening now. Wonder what they're going to do with that new field hospital in Staten Island...probably same as the one in Javits in the spring, i.e. a bunch of photo ops for the governor.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by I Shrugged » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:37 pm

A lot of times, what looks like a conspiracy or coordinated action is just common goals.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:02 pm

Pardon the weird format (lack of capitalization, etc.); I copied this verbatim from Twitter. Source link provided at the bottom of this post.
@foogatwo was kind enough to introduce me to a fun new CDC tool that tracks CARES act funding by hospital

one need not possess sherlock holmesian deductive powers to guess that those under the cuomo regime would be first & piggiest about getting snouts in trough

5/5 top spots!

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big props to NYC HHC for getting twice as much as the next closest competitor!

$1.2 bn in federal funding. to one hospital system.

NY presby in second with 630 million. montfiore in 3rd with 467mm.

a full NYstate podium!

these are the true champions of crony capitalism.

NYS got 12% of funding. (5.7% of US population)

the only hospital outside of NY state to break $400mm in funding was HMH and they are actually 1/2 in NY 1/2 in NJ, so they get some honorary rights

once you break the top 10, it's <$300 million a paltry 25% of NYC HHC

pikers...

the average US hospital received $251,036, 0.02% of NYC HHC.

they got 4730X as much.

median was $9,994.

NYC HHC got $1,196,544,217. that's 120,000X the median.

boy, knowing how to play the pork game sure does pay.

bigly.

(pigly?)

$98 billion has been allocated via this program.

391,602 hospitals have been recipients.

the top 10% have taken $92 billion of that. (94%)

the top 1% have taken $71 billion (72%)

the top 0.1% have taken $35 billion (36%)

392 hospitals out of 391,602 got 36% of funds.


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so, the next time you wonder: "why would hospitals seek to overstate covid" keep this in mind.

this is why. it's been a massive pork barrel bonanza if you know how to play the game of "find covid, get paid from federal firehose of funding."

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this has been a never before seen grab bag of goodies and danger for the US hospital system.

they were forbidden from undertaking the elective procedures that pay all the bills and left reeling and insolvent.

then they were offered gobs of free money for finding covid.

what else could they do? this was clearly a gravy train leaving the station and their core businesses had been demolished by governmental diktat.

so they responded to incentives to survive.

it's not some conspiracy, it's just bad incentives breeding bad behavior.

and until we shut off this staggering spigot of funding, it is not going to stop.

big business LOVES crony capitalism. it's safer, more predictable, and harder for competitors to encroach on.

it's also terrible for consumers, taxpayers, and in cases like this all citizens.

the over reporting and over-diagnosis this encourages is then used to inform policy that further limits hospitals' traditional revenue lines and adds more pork.

competing for that pork ups apparent dangers through over-reporting.

this tightens policy.

it's inescapable so long as the money flows and it rewards the worst and most aggressively cronyistic and at the expense of the honest and non-politically connected.

it is everything you do not want in a hospital system and a government.

stop the gravy.

#DemandBetter

the tool can be found here:

feel free to check my work.

https://t.co/9isThLGpMm?amp=1
https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/ ... 9260419073
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