Is that seriously a questions?Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:07 pmWhat's the game? I still haven't figured out who benefits.
The Democrats, obviously. And I'm sure some of their biggest donors e.g. Silicon Valley firms.
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Is that seriously a questions?Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:07 pmWhat's the game? I still haven't figured out who benefits.
Don't bums like chipotle?boglerdude wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:24 am I was onboard with our shops on Main St getting wiped out and replaced with chipotle, if that meant no more bums. If they keep up with this lockdown stuff...Im not so sure.
I must be dense, WiseOne. Seriously, I am not trying to jerk you around.WiseOne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:47 pmIs that seriously a questions?Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:07 pmWhat's the game? I still haven't figured out who benefits.
The Democrats, obviously. And I'm sure some of their biggest donors e.g. Silicon Valley firms.
Your memory is short, pug!MangoMan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:45 pmYou don't know how blue states work, do you? Whitmer in MI is worse and she was a serious contender for Biden's VP.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:45 pmI must be dense, WiseOne. Seriously, I am not trying to jerk you around.WiseOne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:47 pmIs that seriously a questions?Cortopassi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:07 pmWhat's the game? I still haven't figured out who benefits.
The Democrats, obviously. And I'm sure some of their biggest donors e.g. Silicon Valley firms.
Let's take one example. JB Pritzker, governor of IL. I believe it has been stated one of the reasons he's been pushing the virus hard is to get a bailout. Assuming the senate stays republican, that doesn't happen, right?
I can nearly guarantee you that he will be a one term governor. The sense I get is that there will be so little support for him, probably on both sides, mainly due to the heavy handed action on the virus. If just the pissed off parents and restaurant owners go out and vote, it will be a blowout
Any online presence has generally benefited from the lockdowns, sure, I'll give you that one.
We had a Republican governor here just prior to Bubba JB (the first in ages) and he had lots of great ideas. Unfortunately, the Dem supermajority in Springfield thwarted him at every turn, so basically got nothing done, and thus he lost his reelection bid.
And that's the benefit to the Democrats, right there. They will make it look like they Did Something Good, and will of course claim that matters would be far worse if they hadn't done those Good Things. The press will then back them up to the hilt, and disparage the other side for Not Doing Those Good Things. Never mind how irrational they may actually be...like banning the sale of garden seeds, or imposing curfews.Tortoise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:04 pm Here in CA, I predict that Emperor Newsom will be reelected despite his unconstitutional overreaches and suffocation of our state's economy (especially small businesses). A lot of CA residents think he's the worst, but the majority -- mostly Dems, obviously -- actually think he's doing the right thing.
Newsom's latest tyrannical overreach: He's considering a statewide curfew.
That is a question that never seems to be asked of either politicians like Biden or medical authorities like Fauci. If masks are so darn effective and every major city in this country has mask mandates, why are cases spiking? Why is California a hotspot when they were claiming to be the #1 most compliant state with mask wearing. What will a National mask mandate do for increasing cases in those states that already have mask mandates?Cortopassi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:16 amFauci has a bit of an authoritarian streak in him, I agree. I looked at the link and others and did not find anything about continuing the measures after a vaccine is widely available.Maddy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:45 amThe latest from Fauci is that even after a "vaccine" is available, you'll still need to wear a mask and adhere to social distancing.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:20 pm I don't know about Francis Collins, but the latest headline I saw about Fauci had him quoted as saying, "Do what you're told." link.
Still think this is about a virus?
And I also agree to some extent with WiseOne and others, the virus continues to be top news every day. The hospitals are almost always "near" the breaking point. Even though we've had five cases at my work, they have all been mild. There's a sense (by me) that it is overblown, it's been latched onto as the story of the year and can't be let go.
I don't understand how, for example, a place like NY, where I assume people are very compliant with mask wearing, has these big surges? Did everyone just stop wearing masks? Everyone get fatigue at the same time? Do masks not really work? Is it getting confounded with the flu and news outlets/governments are not being open about that? These are the questions in my mind.
No place ever quite has 100% mask compliance, so even if cases skyrocket, one can always claim that it would have skyrocketed less had there been 100% compliance.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:59 pm If masks are so darn effective and every major city in this country has mask mandates, why are cases spiking? Why is California a hotspot when they were claiming to be the #1 most compliant state with mask wearing. What will a National mask mandate do for increasing cases in those states that already have mask mandates?
Still that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Fauci and other “experts” have claimed repeatedly that wearing a mask is the number one way to stop the virus. So even with less than 100% compliance,you certainly have an extremely higher rate of mask wearing now than you had in April or May when mandates weren't in effect in Texas or California. So why haven’t case numbers dropped in proportion to the increased mask usage?Tortoise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:19 pmNo place ever quite has 100% mask compliance, so no matter how much the cases skyrocket, one can always claim that it would have skyrocketed even more had there been 100% compliance.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:59 pm If masks are so darn effective and every major city in this country has mask mandates, why are cases spiking? Why is California a hotspot when they were claiming to be the #1 most compliant state with mask wearing. What will a National mask mandate do for increasing cases in those states that already have mask mandates?
Sort of like when we have big financial crashes even though the Fed has existed for ages. One can always claim the crashes would have been considerably worse without the Fed.
Million dollar question.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:27 pmStill that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Fauci and other “experts” have claimed repeatedly that wearing a mask is the number one way to stop the virus. So even with less than 100% compliance,you certainly have an extremely higher rate of mask wearing now than you had in April or May when mandates weren't in effect in Texas or California. So why haven’t case numbers dropped in proportion to the increased mask usage?Tortoise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:19 pmNo place ever quite has 100% mask compliance, so no matter how much the cases skyrocket, one can always claim that it would have skyrocketed even more had there been 100% compliance.jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:59 pm If masks are so darn effective and every major city in this country has mask mandates, why are cases spiking? Why is California a hotspot when they were claiming to be the #1 most compliant state with mask wearing. What will a National mask mandate do for increasing cases in those states that already have mask mandates?
Sort of like when we have big financial crashes even though the Fed has existed for ages. One can always claim the crashes would have been considerably worse without the Fed.
Correction--They BUILT China's surveillance/mask/police state.boglerdude wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:33 am They're learning from China. China controls a billion people with their surveillance/mask/curfew/police state
https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments ... _state_as/
Politicians arent heart broken about grandmas. Most people who enter a nursing home are dead within two years.
That is a question that never seems to be asked of either politicians like Biden or medical authorities like Fauci. If masks are so darn effective and every major city in this country has mask mandates, why are cases spiking? Why is California a hotspot when they were claiming to be the #1 most compliant state with mask wearing. What will a National mask mandate do for increasing cases in those states that already have mask mandates?jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:59 pm don't understand how, for example, a place like NY, where I assume people are very compliant with mask wearing, has these big surges? Did everyone just stop wearing masks? Everyone get fatigue at the same time? Do masks not really work? Is it getting confounded with the flu and news outlets/governments are not being open about that? These are the questions in my mind.
I think that’s mostly true, but the devil is in the details. If two of the kind of people who only wear the mask for the bare minimum — not judging here — meet on the street and end up having a sustained conversation, are they more likely or less likely to take a step back and/or put on a mask?
I've noticed that mask wearing has gotten much more prevalent than it was over the summer. They're a lot less uncomfortable in cold weather, but maybe also it's due to the mask indoctrination. So yes, that certainly begs the question of why cases are increasing while mask wearing has also increased, or at least not decreased.WiseOne wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:42 pmThat is a question that never seems to be asked of either politicians like Biden or medical authorities like Fauci. If masks are so darn effective and every major city in this country has mask mandates, why are cases spiking? Why is California a hotspot when they were claiming to be the #1 most compliant state with mask wearing. What will a National mask mandate do for increasing cases in those states that already have mask mandates?jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:59 pm don't understand how, for example, a place like NY, where I assume people are very compliant with mask wearing, has these big surges? Did everyone just stop wearing masks? Everyone get fatigue at the same time? Do masks not really work? Is it getting confounded with the flu and news outlets/governments are not being open about that? These are the questions in my mind.
Were we the only ones to get the unseasonably upper 60s, lower 70s weather for about five straight days? That was the last good day. That day I was wearing shorts and sandals.
No, it's been like that every day here for quite a while! I don't know why all the national media is talking about people wanting to be inside.
But you are in Texas. After last Tuesday it is a good chance I will not be outside again until March!Xan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:26 pmNo, it's been like that every day here for quite a while! I don't know why all the national media is talking about people wanting to be inside.
Yea this is definitely the nice part of the year in Texas. Maybe another month until the ice-rains start.
Sounds fishy. I’m skeptical.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:22 am ...
Vinny, one thing that might help you be able to go outside in our non-Texas climate is simply putting on some warm clothes. A lot of people don't know this trick, but it works really well. You can actually go outside all year!
And, what exactly would I do?Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:22 amYea this is definitely the nice part of the year in Texas. Maybe another month until the ice-rains start.
Vinny, one thing that might help you be able to go outside in our non-Texas climate is simply putting on some warm clothes. A lot of people don't know this trick, but it works really well. You can actually go outside all year!
Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:37 am What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?! I'll tell you, bucko! You go out there, in the snow flurries, in that whipping wind, and you READ your GODDAMN BOOK! Did your ancestors battle the elements, cross the oceans, or beat a saber tooth tiger to death with their own child (not your ancestor) only to see you defeated by modestly cool weather?! NAY, I SAY. NAY. This is no longer about a delightful afternoon in the sunshine, it's about proving that you're tougher than you think you are. Now go enjoy this bracing weather! I went for a walk this morning (just a tad below freezing temperatures, very pleasant) in shorts just to burn off some estrogen brought on by herbal tea drinking.