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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:17 pm

@Sophie:
Now that weather is getting colder and people will be moving inside, would setting up a fan to circulate air be helpful or make things worse?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:12 pm

Why the shutdowns should last longer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxznGIj8Ja0
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:42 pm

“It Was All About the Election”: The Ex-White House Aide Olivia Troye on Trump’s Narcissistic Mishandling of COVID-19

The first staffer on the coronavirus task force to go public tells The New Yorker that America’s pandemic response was “derailed by the person at the very top.”


https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-f ... f-covid-19

I asked about her firsthand observation of the President during the crisis. She said that Trump was “disruptive.” That he could not “focus.” That he was consumed by himself and his prospects in November. “For him, it was all about the election,” Troye told me. “He just can’t seem to care about anyone else besides himself.”


Troye joined the coronavirus task force when it was first established, in late January, before any Americans had died from covid-19. Her experience on it, Troye told me, convinced her that Trump’s handling of the situation—the conscious spreading of disinformation, the disregard for the task force’s work—had made the crisis far worse for Americans. She warned about the President’s push for a vaccine before the November election and said that she did not trust him to do the right thing for the country’s health and safety. “What I’m really concerned about is if they rush this vaccine and pressure people and get something out because they want to save the election,” she said.


Troye is the first White House staff member who has worked on the coronavirus response to speak out publicly against Trump, but the President and the Administration she described were drearily consistent with portraits that have emerged in countless other tell-all interviews and books: a White House riven by backstabbing and suspicion, where trouble flowed from the top and good governance was subordinate to Presidential whim and partisan calculation. She told me she believed that most other staffers on the coronavirus task force were genuinely motivated to help Americans weather the pandemic but that Trump blocked them from implementing the right policies. “Everything that you’re putting in place is derailed not just by a random person—it’s derailed by a No. 1. It’s derailed by the person at the very top,” she said.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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vnatale wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:42 pm
“It Was All About the Election”: The Ex-White House Aide Olivia Troye on Trump’s Narcissistic Mishandling of COVID-19

The first staffer on the coronavirus task force to go public tells The New Yorker that America’s pandemic response was “derailed by the person at the very top.”


https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-f ... f-covid-19

I asked about her firsthand observation of the President during the crisis. She said that Trump was “disruptive.” That he could not “focus.” That he was consumed by himself and his prospects in November. “For him, it was all about the election,” Troye told me. “He just can’t seem to care about anyone else besides himself.”


Troye joined the coronavirus task force when it was first established, in late January, before any Americans had died from covid-19. Her experience on it, Troye told me, convinced her that Trump’s handling of the situation—the conscious spreading of disinformation, the disregard for the task force’s work—had made the crisis far worse for Americans. She warned about the President’s push for a vaccine before the November election and said that she did not trust him to do the right thing for the country’s health and safety. “What I’m really concerned about is if they rush this vaccine and pressure people and get something out because they want to save the election,” she said.


Troye is the first White House staff member who has worked on the coronavirus response to speak out publicly against Trump, but the President and the Administration she described were drearily consistent with portraits that have emerged in countless other tell-all interviews and books: a White House riven by backstabbing and suspicion, where trouble flowed from the top and good governance was subordinate to Presidential whim and partisan calculation. She told me she believed that most other staffers on the coronavirus task force were genuinely motivated to help Americans weather the pandemic but that Trump blocked them from implementing the right policies. “Everything that you’re putting in place is derailed not just by a random person—it’s derailed by a No. 1. It’s derailed by the person at the very top,” she said.
Imagine my shock that anti-Trump "tell-all interviews and books" are consistent in their hatred and scorn for Trump.

Such obviously biased claims aren't going to convince anyone who doesn't have TDS, especially when there is absolutely no evidence for any of the claims. It is all gossip and innuendo.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:51 am

And this is news? That somebody blames Trump?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:00 am

So you are telling me that any other politician in that office 7 months before the election would not be making decisions with the election in mind? Bill Clinton (or Hillary for that matter) would be making decisions for the betterment of the country with absolutely no eye on how the decisions would affect their reelection chances in November?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by technovelist » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:19 am

jalanlong wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:00 am
So you are telling me that any other politician in that office 7 months before the election would not be making decisions with the election in mind? Bill Clinton (or Hillary for that matter) would be making decisions for the betterment of the country with absolutely no eye on how the decisions would affect their reelection chances in November?
Of course no other politician would EVER do anything to try to improve their chances for re-election! How could you even think of such a thing?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:11 am

pugchief wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:17 pm
@Sophie:
Now that weather is getting colder and people will be moving inside, would setting up a fan to circulate air be helpful or make things worse?
No idea about whether fans would help or not. Increasing #air exchanges probably makes more sense but no data to support that.

We know that respiratory infections increase in most of the US in the winter AND in Florida (southern regions) in the height of summer. What's common in both of these is people staying indoors because it's unpleasant outside (cold in winter, nasty hot in Florida summers). So the conjecture here is that it's vitamin D levels driving infection rates. If that's the case, taking vitamin D and checking blood levels is your best bet.

What's a good blood level is open to debate. The generally accepted # is > 20 mg/dl, but I've heard arguments that it should be higher (up to 60 mg/dl) based on measurements in hunter-gatherer populations. That at least tells us that levels that high aren't harmful. We also know that virtually all hospitalized COVID cases have low (< 20) vitamin D levels, and there's been at least one study of using large vit D infusions to treat COVID.

(On the other hand....raising vit D level based on the above observations may be like reasoning that you can minimize your chances of being on a plane that gets blown up by a bomb by bringing a bomb onto the plane, because there are no cases of planes with two independent bombs.)
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:57 pm

pugchief wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:17 pm
@Sophie:
Now that weather is getting colder and people will be moving inside, would setting up a fan to circulate air be helpful or make things worse?
I don't know the answer to that but I wonder if the ultra violet gizmo the A/C repairman tried to sell me when I had my yearly maintenance done might help. It's installed right beside the intake fan and is supposed to kill mold but I wonder if it would also kill the virus. I believe I read somewhere that it does.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:08 pm

CDC reverses controversial guidance on Covid-19 testing
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reversed its controversial Covid-19 testing guidance on Friday, stating clearly that close contacts without any symptoms need a test.

“Due to the significance of asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission, this guidance reinforces the need to test asymptomatic persons, including close contacts of a person with documented Sars-Cov-2 infection,” the update, posted on its website, reads.

The updated guidance, which the CDC called a clarification, walks back a recommendation made in August that close contacts of Covid-19 patients don’t necessarily need to be tested if they don’t have symptoms.

Infectious-disease specialists and public-health experts criticized that guidance, citing the need to test close contacts to help identify and stop the transmission of the virus.
The CDC has become a dumpster fire this week. First its director's statement two days ago in a senate hearing that masks are "more guaranteed to protect" against Cooties-19 than a vaccine, now this political flip-flop on the issue of testing.

I can't wait to see what else pops out of the CDC's clown car!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:25 pm

You are fortunate you have a bill of rights and a decent constitution.
Look at our system of government....

Now Andrews calls anyone who disagrees with him a “conspiracy theorist” and wants to imprison them. He has completely lost all sense of what a free society is all about. What’s next? He will seek extradition internationally for anyone who criticizes him? Perhaps he will imprison Sky News for reporting the truth.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inte ... nvestment/

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:29 pm

Billionaire Patrick Soon-Shiong’s radical cancer treatments made him one of the wealthiest physicians on Earth. Now the master of medical marketing believes his drug therapies could defeat “the crisis of our time.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/ ... a750d208a2


Beyond potential mutations, another concern about merely eliciting an antibody response is that from the data seen so far, antibodies to the Covid-19 virus just don’t last very long. Levels of antibodies in the blood are “really low after a few months,” says Marasco, who’s not associated with Soon-Shiong’s companies or their vaccine research. “I think it’s uncertain how long immunity will remain after successful vaccination.” Using the nucleocapsid protein “couldn’t hurt,” he adds, and it could elicit not only antibodies but virus-killing T-cells as well.

If Soon-Shiong’s approaches to Covid-19 bear fruit in clinical trials, the next step may prove harder still: getting those treatments to needy patients. This is especially so for the vaccine, because at the moment neither NantKwest nor ImmunityBio has the resources to scale up manufacturing. “I’m now behind the eight ball,” Soon-Shiong admits, “because there’s no way I could have 100 million doses unless somebody supports me. Maybe I have a million doses or 2 million doses.” He expresses some frustration at the government: “Billions of dollars are going to companies that have billions [in] revenues.” He’s not wrong about that. In July, pharma giant Pfizer (2019 revenue: $51.8 billion) received a $2 billion federal contract to manufacture a vaccine it’s developing.
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