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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by ahhrunforthehills » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:54 pm

technovelist wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:39 pm
ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Coronavirus seems to really have brought the issue to the forefront between those that are community-centric and those that are self-centic in a way that the old Republican vs Democrat never could. A mask is a small inconvenience for 99.9% of people and is therefore an excellent form of measurement on how community-centric you are. No mask, you fail the test. Time to crucify.

Anyone who has ever studied human behavior knows how powerful the opinion of others are on an emotional level. During hunter/gatherer periods, if you willfully endangered your community you would be cast out (which was basically a death sentence). It makes sense that, as a matter of survival, people get REALLY angry when they see the survival of the community being threatened by those that put their own wants first (regardless of the logic that they tell themselves).

No other details matter. Studies don't matter. Either you are pro-community or pro-self. Mask or no mask.
So you are the judge of what is pro-community or pro-self?
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Napoleon, perhaps?
shheesh, that is what you got out of it?

Honestly, this forum really is a shadow of what it once was years ago. There are approximately 2 or 3 contributors that keep it all afloat (and it isn't the daily posters). Go back to stroking each other pal.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:01 pm

ahhrunforthehills wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:30 pm
In an unrelated matter, I found myself on urbandictionary today for a different reason. Underneath the word I was looking for (don't ask) it literally said the following:

JUL 21 WORD OF THE DAY

Karen


(2nd example)

Karen refuses to wear a face mask for her 5 minute trip to the supermarket during a pandemic. She harasses the workers, asks to see the manager and threatens to sue."

Anyways, it got me thinking about Doodle's comment, Maddy's reaction, etc.

Maddy basically told a story that was the exact example of the word Doodle used. Then everyone else basically said Doodle was bad. This had me scratching my head a little bit.

I get that nobody likes labels. But her story was literally the definition. I can't even blame Doodle for his response as I see it as a very natural and human reply.
The typical "screaming Karen" puts on a hysterical show out of a personality-disordered desire to manipulate. These, typically, are the people that go into a cosmetologist's office in full transvestite garb and demand that their balls be shaven. They're the ones that go out of their way to force a Christian bakery to design a cake for a gay wedding when any one of thirty other bakers would have gladly obliged. They're the ones that run around the beach with a 6-foot tape measure screeching about social distancing and ultimately needing to be restrained and then carried off.

They do it out of a desire to control other people, which is why the term came into being to describe the penchant of authoritarian progressives to dictate, right down to the last detail, what other people should do and how they should think.

The situation I described was anything of the sort. It was grounded in law, pursued in a rational, respectful (albeit firm) manner, and motivated by my view that we're dealing with a flatly unconstitutional mandate and on the verge of losing our constitutionally-guaranteed liberties. It's one of many ways in which I have communicated the message, "I will not comply" and stood up to those businesses who have been all too willing to be used as the enforcement arm of a tyrannical state. As a constitutional conservative with a strong libertarian bent, I have no interest in dictating how other people should live--unlike Doodle, who has gained a reputation for going out of his way to pick fights with the more right-leaning members of this forum, becoming emotionally upset to the point of hurling personal insults, and then stomping off in a huff.

It hardly comes as a surprise that the Urban Dictionary--whose essential mission is to define the language of leftist culture--is going to provide an example that makes a mockery of conservatives on the very issues that most resonate with that group. And, just as Alinsky taught, to do it in a way that projects onto their opposition of the very thing they're doing.

Doodle's comment was meant as an insult to someone whose opinions he simply cannot tolerate--nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by l82start » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:49 pm

Maddy wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:29 pm
Or is there something else?

In my view, everything we're seeing today (including the global lockdown, the attack on free speech, the censoring of opposing political viewpoints, the decimation of the economy, the destruction of small business, and the fomenting of violent racial and political strife) all speak to a frantic, stepped up effort to create sufficient chaos and fear that the people will willingly accept the "solution." The parallels between today and 1930s Germany are striking.

We are, as far as I am concerned, in a war--where the survival of our constitutional republic and freedoms are at stake. I absolutely will not submit to their new world order by wearing their symbol of submission.
funny post timing, i just got wound up at work today by a lady, (who happened to have been a young girl in wartime Germany,) when she was screeching at me to wear a mask (alone in a parking lot) because CA has people driving around handing out 1000$ tickets to workers and businesses..... and the similarity between now and 1930s Germany was exactly the argument that i made...
it didn't register
but i did vent..
this is getting old... i am not even close to being likely to get wound up about much of anything but this has just gone on to long...
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:15 pm

I cannot imagine the uproar that would happen if seatbelt laws were being put in place now, vs. 30 years ago, with the internet and social media and so much conspiracy hyped on everything.

It would be the goddamned end of the world, taking away my freedoms and all. Those elites ain't gonna tell me what to do. There'd be protests and rioting. If I want to fly out my damn window during a crash, it is my right. I can't breathe with that belt across my chest. What if I drive into a lake and can't get it off? The belt will kill me!

Is it really that far gone, people? Don't you think in the next 6-12 months a vaccine and theraputics will improve/be available and things will get reasonably back to normal? How do people out of work not producing and not buying things help the "elites?"

Did you lose freedoms/stop flying because of the 9/11 3oz limits and taking off shoes rules? Is it a pain in the ass? Sure. Is it really impinging on your freedoms? And many have been rolled back.

Do you still have your guns? Yep. Are they a little more difficult to get? Maybe. Shouldn't they be? I know in this group that's a big no, but I think at least a check of your background is a small price to pay. Can I go to Walmart right now and buy ammo? Yes.

Am I being spied on while I surf the internet and walk around? Sure. And tell me how that affects my freedoms. I can always pull the plug. And my life is pretty boring.

I'm trying to think of a crucial freedom I lost in my 53 years of life. Help me out. I can't think of one that makes much difference?

Hell, I can even buy pot now! Maybe that's an elite plot to get my mind to turn to mush so I'll do what they say.

Anyway, I know this falls on mostly deaf ears. I have multiple intelligent friends who subscribe to the whole Q / pedophile / Marxist elites / sealed indictments, etc stuff, and it all, always, just seems to never materialize. C'mon, where are the indictments, the rounding up of those thousands of pedophiles? Is it next month? I thought it was supposed to be in May?

John DeLancie, the original Q, would not be proud.

I am amazed at the human ability to believe conspiracies so easily.

I've enjoyed not posting for a day and a half, but just wanted to get this out there.

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:56 am

Corto,

Where is your data to back up your assertions? (Just kidding, I needed an intro for this.)

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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by l82start » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:56 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:15 pm


Is it really that far gone, people? Don't you think in the next 6-12 months a vaccine and theraputics will improve/be available and things will get reasonably back to normal? How do people out of work not producing and not buying things help the "elites?"
depressing the economy to win an election?... wasn't this all supposed to only be a few weeks to flatten the curve? (which we seem to have done) don't we have riots in the streets already? seems like its not the freedom loving Americans rioting for rights and liberty, but the Marxists rioting to cause chaos and destroy history,

you don't need to be a conspiracy follower to know that "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." or has Winston smith already deleted that bit of our past O0
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by shekels » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:53 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:15 pm


I'm trying to think of a crucial freedom I lost in my 53 years of life. Help me out. I can't think of one that makes much difference?

Where do you draw the line?
In your 53 years you have seen changes (Yes)
So did your parents.
Your children will see freedoms they lose. (no big deal right)
But the question to ask is not what have you lost in 53 years, But what freedoms has the U.S. lost in 200 years.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:55 am

Remember the discussion about what would happen if schools don't reopen? Well, it seems my idea about families getting together to create their own mini-schools is not so weird after all. Below are responses to the WSJ's daily question. The authors are careful to protect themselves with virtue signaling phraseology, as some of these activities could get the participants arrested, but there are several good ideas here for forum members with kids. Intriguing idea to hire furloughed teachers.

If schools continue to stay shut, they could find themselves permanently sidelined if alternatives like this start to really take off. This could kill teacher's unions, too.
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In response to our question about making remote learning work for your family if children can’t go to school in person this fall:

Roy Farrow, Nevada
My daughters have formed a “safe” group of families, and they rotate homes for homeschooling. The public-school remote learning in their area was a flop last school year, and although nonunion schools beckoned, cost and convenience were a deterrence.

Marisa Palmer, Wisconsin
When the virus first hit we hired two pre-school teachers who were furloughed and they ran part-time preschool out of our neighbor's basement. It was wonderful! Our kids continued learning and socializing. The teachers enjoyed the opportunity to earn money and continue to engage with students. We kept the circle tight so as not to introduce the virus. The pre-school eventually reopened and we were able to send our kids back to school (and the teachers returned, too). But I would highly recommend this set-up.

Michael Duffy, New York
As a parent of two young children, I have been relying on outdoor-only childcare from people in walking or biking distance to our neighborhood (no public transportation). We've hired college students who are largely available due to the pandemic. It works well for everyone.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by jalanlong » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:11 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:15 pm

Am I being spied on while I surf the internet and walk around? Sure. And tell me how that affects my freedoms. I can always pull the plug. And my life is pretty boring.
I think for me the difference is that I do not trust the government to stop where you apparently think they will. Right now perhaps they are only spying on you to look for terrorists. But do you not see how under the right circumstances that could change?

Democrat Frederica Wilson in Florida said last year that people who make fun of members of Congress online should be "prosecuted."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1146143587811258370

So you really cannot envision a scenario where if you say the "wrong" thing on your phone or computer that you could run afoul of the authorities? It just doesn't seem like a huge leap for me. I believe a surprisingly large amount of Americans would probably support such a policy right now actually.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:24 am

jalanlong wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:11 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:15 pm

Am I being spied on while I surf the internet and walk around? Sure. And tell me how that affects my freedoms. I can always pull the plug. And my life is pretty boring.
I think for me the difference is that I do not trust the government to stop where you apparently think they will. Right now perhaps they are only spying on you to look for terrorists. But do you not see how under the right circumstances that could change?

Democrat Frederica Wilson in Florida said last year that people who make fun of members of Congress online should be "prosecuted."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1146143587811258370

So you really cannot envision a scenario where if you say the "wrong" thing on your phone or computer that you could run afoul of the authorities? It just doesn't seem like a huge leap for me. I believe a surprisingly large amount of Americans would probably support such a policy right now actually.
But... and this doesn't belong in this topic anymore... didn't Trump as well say there should be jail time for burning the flag? Is that an ok freedom to be lost?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Maddy » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:38 am

I cannot imagine the uproar that would happen if seatbelt laws were being put in place now, vs. 30 years ago, with the internet and social media and so much conspiracy hyped on everything.

It would be the goddamned end of the world, taking away my freedoms and all. Those elites ain't gonna tell me what to do. There'd be protests and rioting. If I want to fly out my damn window during a crash, it is my right. I can't breathe with that belt across my chest. What if I drive into a lake and can't get it off? The belt will kill me!

Is it really that far gone, people? Don't you think in the next 6-12 months a vaccine and theraputics will improve/be available and things will get reasonably back to normal? How do people out of work not producing and not buying things help the "elites?"
You'd seriously liken what's happening today to the inconvenience of a seatbelt law?

No "conspiracy theory" is required to appreciate the draconian effects of lockdowns, social distancing requirements, and mask mandates. A full one-third of small businesses in my area have flat-out failed, and and another third are in danger of failing within the next six months. (Nationwide statistics are not a whole lot better). Their market share is going over to the Walmarts and Home Depots, who were the preordained "winners" in this fiasco as a result of their superior ability to weather the restrictions and the fact that, in many instances, they were arbitrarily declared exempt from them.

Large swaths of the population simply are not working. They're being propped up by government checks that in many instances have been so generous as to deter their recipients from returning to the workplace, leaving those business owners who do manage to reopen unable to find employees. My own (anecdotal) observation is that large numbers of people--previously hardworking--have become lazy and all-too-willing to remain on the government dole.

Supply chains have been significantly disrupted, as a result of which businesses can't get inventory and basic supplies. We're told to brace for more of this.

Churches, especially, have been singled out for arbitrary restrictions on worship. Even drive-in churches are being shut down. One can't help notice that at the same time, well-orchestrated leftist groups are torching cathedrals, defacing religious monuments, and even lighting churches on fire with people inside.

Political rallies--with the notable exception of leftist ones (especially violent leftist ones)--are being shut down. People are being arrested for congregating informally on beaches and in parks.

Political speech, especially on the most popular social media forums, is being censored. Information about the alleged pandemic that runs counter to the official narrative is being eliminated as disinformation harmful to the public. Conservative websites are being demonitized and disrupted. Fact-checkers are eliminating news and commentary that runs counter to the Marxist party line.

Schools have been shuttered since spring, and we are being told that they may not reopen in the fall. University students are being subject to mandatory vaccinations as a condition of return.

Doctors and lawyers have been turned into snitches, no longer just subject to mandatory reporting laws but being required to actively elicit information that may result in mandatory reporting. The long-held sanctity of the patient-physician and attorney-client privileges is gone. Medical records have become de facto government databases controlled by private, for-profit entities whose business is all about amassing and selling private information.

Governments have officially stopped responding to Freedom of Information requests. Interestingly, this follows on the heels of FASAB 56, which officially took U.S. government finances dark. Even local governments have gone largely nonresponsive to the people. Open Meetings Acts, which traditionally have insured transparency in government operations, have been suspended indefinitely. Government offices are closed to the public. Many of them do not even answer their phones. Callers receive a recorded message referring them to a website.

The rule of law is in shambles, having been supplanted, in large part, by a "make up the rules as you go" approach resembling martial law. Administrators, rather than legislators, are making law. Judges are going full-tilt activist.

Criminals, including violent criminals with convictions for rape and murder, are being let out on the street in large numbers. Police are being directed by above to "stand down" in areas hard hit by violence. Citizens are largely on their own.

Everywhere you look, artificial barriers (both physical and psychological) are being used to separate people. Plexiglass has been installed between checkers and customers. Workers and students are being put in plastic cubicles. We're being encouraged to communicate with one another primarily by "device."

Cash is on the way out. Stores are putting up automated checkout registers at breakneck speed. Many have been redesigned so that they no longer accept cash. We are now being told that there is a coin shortage that can't be fixed.

The mood, even in this small rural town, has turned dour. People who once freely chatted in the grocery aisle (often to the point of exchanging telephone numbers) no longer even make eye contact.

All this as the dire predictions that purported to justify all this are being outed as not only greatly exaggerated, but in many instances flat-out fraudulent.

And now we're being told--paradoxically--that these restrictions may need to be permanent. Get ready for the "new normal," they say.

Anyone who's been paying even slight attention to the openly articulated goals of the Marxist/technocrat movement that has been in high gear since the 1930s cannot help but see how these developments constitute a nearly item-by-item rollout of their agenda.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:42 am

l82start wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:56 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:15 pm


Is it really that far gone, people? Don't you think in the next 6-12 months a vaccine and theraputics will improve/be available and things will get reasonably back to normal? How do people out of work not producing and not buying things help the "elites?"
depressing the economy to win an election?... wasn't this all supposed to only be a few weeks to flatten the curve? (which we seem to have done) don't we have riots in the streets already? seems like its not the freedom loving Americans rioting for rights and liberty, but the Marxists rioting to cause chaos and destroy history,

you don't need to be a conspiracy follower to know that "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." or has Winston smith already deleted that bit of our past O0
I totally agree the goalposts moved. Pisses me off. I don't know what to do about it at this point. It seems, though, that if we had a coordinated consistent response to this, and I am not laying all this on Trump, that we could be in a better spot right now, and the liberal media would not be able to use it to the extent it has.

I hate that there's no positiveness to any of the stories. It just beats you into submission if you watch. See this poor young woman with permanent injury, this family who lost three people, etc. Nothing, obviously is covered on the millions who recovered without issue.
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