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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Xan » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:28 pm

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On the home front, my daughter in Colorado called me last night and told me that both she and my son, ages 43 and 45 had both gotten Covid. Neither got tested but based on the symptoms they were describing, along with the fact another family member had tested positive and exposed others, it sure sounded like Covid to me. Neither had a fever but both described searing pain in their lungs. Fortunately they got over it quickly in only two days. When I told them they were supposed to quarantine for 14 days and inform anyone they had contact with, it was like they had never heard that before. My son actually planned on going back to work the next day.
My understanding was that 14 days was the incubation period, which you need to wait after exposure for symptoms to show up. That isn't at all the same as the amount of time you're contagious after recovering.

The guidelines around here seem to be that you can go about your business if both of the following are true:
* No fever for 72 hours
* 10 days since the onset of symptoms
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Post by Mountaineer » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:50 am

Xan wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:28 pm
pp4me wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:31 am
On the home front, my daughter in Colorado called me last night and told me that both she and my son, ages 43 and 45 had both gotten Covid. Neither got tested but based on the symptoms they were describing, along with the fact another family member had tested positive and exposed others, it sure sounded like Covid to me. Neither had a fever but both described searing pain in their lungs. Fortunately they got over it quickly in only two days. When I told them they were supposed to quarantine for 14 days and inform anyone they had contact with, it was like they had never heard that before. My son actually planned on going back to work the next day.
My understanding was that 14 days was the incubation period, which you need to wait after exposure for symptoms to show up. That isn't at all the same as the amount of time you're contagious after recovering.

The guidelines around here seem to be that you can go about your business if both of the following are true:
* No fever for 72 hours
* 10 days since the onset of symptoms
Delaware guidelines:
Individuals with a confirmed case of COVID-19 must maintain home isolation until at least 3 days have passed since recovery began — defined as the end of a fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and improvement in respiratory symptoms (e.g., the end of their cough and/or shortness of breath); and, at least 7 days have passed since symptoms first appeared.

After discontinuation of home isolation, persons must continue to avoid sustained close contact with others, maintain strict social distancing and hand hygiene, and not return to work for an additional 4 days (for a total of 7 days without symptoms) due to the possible risk of continued infectiousness. Persons may return to work after this 7-day period, however, they should continue to recognize the risk of infectiousness and self-monitor for symptoms.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:23 pm

Meanwhile, in Melbourne, Australia :o

<snip>
Outsourcing quarantine to poorly trained, ill-equipped private security firms caused the failures, which included:

Security companies being paid for workers that didn’t exist.
Lack of guards to properly secure the hotels due to these “phantom” people.
Guards given insufficient ­infection control training.
Guards not following proper procedure – shaking hands, sharing lifts, sharing lighters, not wearing masks.
Guards wore personal protective equipment for up to eight hours without changing it.
Guards letting families go between rooms to play cards and games with others.
Guards sleeping on the job.
Some guards slept with guests.
Subcontracting guards at cheaper rates instead of standard guards.
Subcontracting guards switching shifts between hotels.
Guards moonlighting as Uber drivers.
A Bangladeshi man that was discharged from a Melbourne quarantine hotel after returning a positive test travelled to Sydney where he potentially spread the virus to colleagues at a Woolworths store in Balmain.
<snip>
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/0 ... st-resign/
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pp4me » Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:42 pm

I'm starting to smell bullshit with the so-called "surge" in coronavirus cases based on test results.

Just how accurate is this test any way? I'm starting to hear that the test they are using will give a so-called positive result if you have antibodies in your system for the common cold.

Reminds me of going to the doctor even though you aren't really sick but they do a blood test and tell you that you really are any way. I'm talking about cholesterol here but it's the same idea.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

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pp4me wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:42 pm
Just how accurate is this test any way? I'm starting to hear that the test they are using will give a so-called positive result if you have antibodies in your system for the common cold.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-th ... t-a-virus/
Scroll down past the first couple of pages of introductory drivel, and you'll find a very enlightening discussion of this issue.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:03 pm

Maddy wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:16 am
pp4me wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:42 pm
Just how accurate is this test any way? I'm starting to hear that the test they are using will give a so-called positive result if you have antibodies in your system for the common cold.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-th ... t-a-virus/
Scroll down past the first couple of pages of introductory drivel, and you'll find a very enlightening discussion of this issue.
I sure would appreciate WiseOne’s comments on the linked article. Do we have a world wide pandemic or not? Are more people dying per month in 2020 than in previous years? If yes, why (other than we have an aging population)?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:35 pm

Funny parody of what's happening "down under"
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/0 ... -downfall/

PS:Look in the comments for a parody on the housing bubble...
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne » Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:28 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:03 pm
Maddy wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:16 am
pp4me wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:42 pm
Just how accurate is this test any way? I'm starting to hear that the test they are using will give a so-called positive result if you have antibodies in your system for the common cold.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-th ... t-a-virus/
Scroll down past the first couple of pages of introductory drivel, and you'll find a very enlightening discussion of this issue.
I sure would appreciate WiseOne’s comments on the linked article. Do we have a world wide pandemic or not? Are more people dying per month in 2020 than in previous years? If yes, why (other than we have an aging population)?
Yes those studies have been done. There is a measurable number of excess deaths this year compared to previous years. A couple of "buts":

Not all the deaths may be due to COVID. It's thought that a substantial fraction of them are due to people developing life-threatening emergencies who avoided going to the hospital due to fear of COVID. This is supported by the fact that deaths due to heart attacks, strokes and the like declined. There's of course no reason to think that these ailments miraculously stopped happening. Either these are being (wrongly) attributed to COVID because the person had flu-like symptoms at the time or simply tested positive, or they aren't being diagnosed because the person died at home and no autopsy was done to determine cause of death.

If most of the deaths are in the population of people who would have died within a year anyway, then you would expect that the bump in deaths during COVID would be followed by a decrease in deaths later on. Only time will tell if this is the case.

You can see that assessing the impact of COVID is not at all straightforward. One would never know this from how the media has portrayed it.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:49 am

WiseOne wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:28 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:03 pm
Maddy wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:16 am
pp4me wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:42 pm
Just how accurate is this test any way? I'm starting to hear that the test they are using will give a so-called positive result if you have antibodies in your system for the common cold.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-th ... t-a-virus/
Scroll down past the first couple of pages of introductory drivel, and you'll find a very enlightening discussion of this issue.
I sure would appreciate WiseOne’s comments on the linked article. Do we have a world wide pandemic or not? Are more people dying per month in 2020 than in previous years? If yes, why (other than we have an aging population)?
Yes those studies have been done. There is a measurable number of excess deaths this year compared to previous years. A couple of "buts":

Not all the deaths may be due to COVID. It's thought that a substantial fraction of them are due to people developing life-threatening emergencies who avoided going to the hospital due to fear of COVID. This is supported by the fact that deaths due to heart attacks, strokes and the like declined. There's of course no reason to think that these ailments miraculously stopped happening. Either these are being (wrongly) attributed to COVID because the person had flu-like symptoms at the time or simply tested positive, or they aren't being diagnosed because the person died at home and no autopsy was done to determine cause of death.

If most of the deaths are in the population of people who would have died within a year anyway, then you would expect that the bump in deaths during COVID would be followed by a decrease in deaths later on. Only time will tell if this is the case.

You can see that assessing the impact of COVID is not at all straightforward. One would never know this from how the media has portrayed it.
Thank you WiseOne for taking the time to answer, and for your expertise!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:35 am

Excellent article.

The author exposes the real scandal of the COVID-19 response in the NE US: The deliberate infestation of long term care facilities aka nursing homes. LTC deaths account for nearly half of the COVID deaths in New York and New Jersey. In Pennsylvania the percentage is horrific: As of Thursday, 68.5%. The worst in the nation. The worst in the world.

https://fee.org/articles/3-states-accou ... Ruh5dF5pTI
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Libertarian666 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:53 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:35 am
Excellent article.

The author exposes the real scandal of the COVID-19 response in the NE US: The deliberate infestation of long term care facilities aka nursing homes. LTC deaths account for nearly half of the COVID deaths in New York and New Jersey. In Pennsylvania the percentage is horrific: As of Thursday, 68.5%. The worst in the nation. The worst in the world.

https://fee.org/articles/3-states-accou ... Ruh5dF5pTI
Yes, but those people were very expensive to those states. The governors and mayors were just trying to save the taxpayers money!
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Post by vnatale » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:42 am

Bill Nye Is Here to Demonstrate That Face Masks Get the Job Done

https://time.com/5865625/bill-nye-coronavirus-masks/
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Cortopassi » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:55 am

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:42 am
Bill Nye Is Here to Demonstrate That Face Masks Get the Job Done

https://time.com/5865625/bill-nye-coronavirus-masks/
I found this one a bit more satisfying.

https://www.chemedx.org/blog/demonstrat ... d-nitrogen
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:35 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:55 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:42 am
Bill Nye Is Here to Demonstrate That Face Masks Get the Job Done

https://time.com/5865625/bill-nye-coronavirus-masks/
I found this one a bit more satisfying.

https://www.chemedx.org/blog/demonstrat ... d-nitrogen
Can "normal" people like us even buy N95 masks anywhere?

Vinny
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by vnatale » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:05 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:48 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:35 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:55 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:42 am
Bill Nye Is Here to Demonstrate That Face Masks Get the Job Done

https://time.com/5865625/bill-nye-coronavirus-masks/
I found this one a bit more satisfying.

https://www.chemedx.org/blog/demonstrat ... d-nitrogen
Can "normal" people like us even buy N95 masks anywhere?

Vinny
Not sure about western MA, but you can buy them at Ace Hardware here and any Chinese owned dry cleaner. But why would you need one?
Are they not the most effective mask form?

Vinny
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Hal » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:45 pm

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:05 pm
MangoMan wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:48 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:35 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:55 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:42 am
Bill Nye Is Here to Demonstrate That Face Masks Get the Job Done

https://time.com/5865625/bill-nye-coronavirus-masks/
I found this one a bit more satisfying.

https://www.chemedx.org/blog/demonstrat ... d-nitrogen
Can "normal" people like us even buy N95 masks anywhere?

Vinny
Not sure about western MA, but you can buy them at Ace Hardware here and any Chinese owned dry cleaner. But why would you need one?
Are they not the most effective mask form?

Vinny
Yes, especially duckbill style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUwjwxbhhHY
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:57 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:55 am
vnatale wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:42 am
Bill Nye Is Here to Demonstrate That Face Masks Get the Job Done

https://time.com/5865625/bill-nye-coronavirus-masks/
I found this one a bit more satisfying.

https://www.chemedx.org/blog/demonstrat ... d-nitrogen
I don't get it. All I see in the video is condensate from the sudden cooling of air above the pans of liquid nitrogen being blown by the force of the person's breath. Of course that's stopped by a mask, because the air will leak out the sides instead.

I do agree that masks will help prevent droplets from a cough or sneeze getting on someone else in close proximity, which would certainly transmit the virus. But that's it. I doubt they accomplish anything at a distance, or outdoors where the droplets disperse quickly, or to protect you if someone does cough or sneeze on you. They may even make it worse since you'll transmit the virus very effectively to yourself from the outside of the mask when you take it off, because you're not trained how to do it and likely use the same mask repeatedly.
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Post by WiseOne » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm

Another related thought - I went to a party last PM given by members of my division for someone who is leaving to take a director position elsewhere. Everyone at the party was either an MD or a nurse practitioner, and all of us have spent time in and around COVID patients.

I expected to hear and see the industry standard lines: must always wear a mask, COVID is dangerous, black lives matter etc etc. The conversation instead was super refreshing - I should trust the people I work with more! We dispensed with the masks and stayed mostly outside. Out of courtesy I wore a mask when going inside to get food & drink, but the hosts really didn't care.

Everyone heartily agreed that people's sense of risk is completely out of kilter, that schools need to reopen and kids need to be able to get out of the house and do things like play sports and take college exams - and that the damage being done while they're sitting inside playing video games is being inappropriately disregarded. I pointed out that cognitively impaired older adults (eg my mother) are suffering adverse emotional and mental effects from the lockdown as well. Patients need to be able to have in person visits without multiple layers of administrative approval, and - best of all - everyone thought the whole BLM thing was ridiculous and largely unfounded. One person, who I thought was staunchly liberal, even voiced anger at the department head trying to shame everyone into joining the White Coats for Black Lives protest. No one at the party was the least bit interested in that.

The risk thing especially is just crazy. I had calculated the odds of being infected with COVID (infected, NOT hospitalized) and compared it to the chance of getting into a car accident on the way to the party. Turns out the car accident was 10 times more likely. Even when NYC had 10x the number of daily cases that we do now (which is months past), the odds would have been even - and when the heck did anyone ever say, maybe I shouldn't go to this party because I might get into a car accident?

We have lost all perspective and are being carefully schooled into a mindset that one must avoid ALL risk - whatever the price. It's ridiculous. No human society has ever lived this way. The lockdowns were reasonable at the beginning, when it was about preventing hospitals from being overrun. That is no longer an issue and hasn't been for months. I truly don't understand what the rationale is now.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:22 pm

WiseOne wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm
Another related thought - I went to a party last PM given by members of my division for someone who is leaving to take a director position elsewhere. Everyone at the party was either an MD or a nurse practitioner, and all of us have spent time in and around COVID patients.

I expected to hear and see the industry standard lines: must always wear a mask, COVID is dangerous, black lives matter etc etc. The conversation instead was super refreshing - I should trust the people I work with more! We dispensed with the masks and stayed mostly outside. Out of courtesy I wore a mask when going inside to get food & drink, but the hosts really didn't care.

Everyone heartily agreed that people's sense of risk is completely out of kilter, that schools need to reopen and kids need to be able to get out of the house and do things like play sports and take college exams - and that the damage being done while they're sitting inside playing video games is being inappropriately disregarded. I pointed out that cognitively impaired older adults (eg my mother) are suffering adverse emotional and mental effects from the lockdown as well. Patients need to be able to have in person visits without multiple layers of administrative approval, and - best of all - everyone thought the whole BLM thing was ridiculous and largely unfounded. One person, who I thought was staunchly liberal, even voiced anger at the department head trying to shame everyone into joining the White Coats for Black Lives protest. No one at the party was the least bit interested in that.

The risk thing especially is just crazy. I had calculated the odds of being infected with COVID (infected, NOT hospitalized) and compared it to the chance of getting into a car accident on the way to the party. Turns out the car accident was 10 times more likely. Even when NYC had 10x the number of daily cases that we do now (which is months past), the odds would have been even - and when the heck did anyone ever say, maybe I shouldn't go to this party because I might get into a car accident?

We have lost all perspective and are being carefully schooled into a mindset that one must avoid ALL risk - whatever the price. It's ridiculous. No human society has ever lived this way. The lockdowns were reasonable at the beginning, when it was about preventing hospitals from being overrun. That is no longer an issue and hasn't been for months. I truly don't understand what the rationale is now.
Oh, that's easy to explain.
Democrats want arbitrary unquestioned power, and they have seized on this plague as a great opportunity to achieve it.
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Post by Tortoise » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:56 am

Aside from the leftist power-grab aspect, I also think companies and other organizations are afraid of lawsuits and bad PR in a way that they weren’t in previous times. Maybe it has something to do with how quickly bad press and boycotts spread in the age of social media.
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Post by Cortopassi » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:44 am

WiseOne wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm
The lockdowns were reasonable at the beginning, when it was about preventing hospitals from being overrun. That is no longer an issue and hasn't been for months. I truly don't understand what the rationale is now.
WiseOne, my attitude is exactly yours, but the mantra has started again, if the rise continues, hospitals will be overrun in 1-2 weeks. And there's the showing of refrigerated trailers to hold dead body overflows. But the overrun always seems to be in the future. Never now.

So it remains to be seen if they get overrun over the next couple weeks? Or do you think that won't happen?

I don't want to play into the democrat/republican/Trump view here. Overrun of hospitals would be a fact that pretty much no one could dispute, right? But if cases start leveling off and deaths don't rise materially, and hospitals are stressed but not overrun, I would think the majority of people could deal with that and move on with life, I hope.

On the mask thing, I do not wear one at work, only when shopping. It is a small price to pay, even if it is minimally effective. I have to ask anyone with knowledge, it seems from the last pandemic, what 10 years ago, a lot of people in Asian countries wear masks by default. Have they all been hoodwinked?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by WiseOne » Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:34 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:44 am
WiseOne wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm
The lockdowns were reasonable at the beginning, when it was about preventing hospitals from being overrun. That is no longer an issue and hasn't been for months. I truly don't understand what the rationale is now.
WiseOne, my attitude is exactly yours, but the mantra has started again, if the rise continues, hospitals will be overrun in 1-2 weeks. And there's the showing of refrigerated trailers to hold dead body overflows. But the overrun always seems to be in the future. Never now.

So it remains to be seen if they get overrun over the next couple weeks? Or do you think that won't happen?
Well, it looks like hospitals in some states (e.g. Texas) are into surge capacity & diversion territory, but that's what happens every year during flu season. Also they're still doing elective admissions - if they were seriously worried about beds they would stop all those immediately and it would free up around 25% of capacity, maybe more. And, there's been no talk of building field hospitals in convention centers, or setting up makeshift ICUs in OR recovery rooms and such. That's probably because the hospitals don't think any of that will be necessary. So either they're being remarkably short sighted, or they think they'll be ok without the need for a state lockdown.

Did the lockdown in New York help prevent the hospitals from being overrun? Well, the peak caseload was about 3 weeks after it was instituted, so maybe, but it's not too clear. What I'm saying is that I'm not sure what the rationale is for the measures that are still in effect in New York, despite our being MONTHS past the peak with now a vanishingly small caseload, and absolutely zero danger to the health system. Not going to venture to say whether other states should lock down, but if they do I hope the same kind of "mission creep" doesn't happen.
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Post by Xan » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:01 pm

There has been talk here of using the convention center as a hospital. Apparently we were recently close to some threshold for doing that, but backed off. I'm not sure what the current status is on elective procedures.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200707 ... s-patients

But if they can put 1500 patients in the convention center, that means we still have a ton of headroom, doesn't it? Or would people in the convention center be getting sub-par treatment?
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Post by jalanlong » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:23 pm

Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:22 pm
WiseOne wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm
Another related thought - I went to a party last PM given by members of my division for someone who is leaving to take a director position elsewhere. Everyone at the party was either an MD or a nurse practitioner, and all of us have spent time in and around COVID patients.

I expected to hear and see the industry standard lines: must always wear a mask, COVID is dangerous, black lives matter etc etc. The conversation instead was super refreshing - I should trust the people I work with more! We dispensed with the masks and stayed mostly outside. Out of courtesy I wore a mask when going inside to get food & drink, but the hosts really didn't care.

Everyone heartily agreed that people's sense of risk is completely out of kilter, that schools need to reopen and kids need to be able to get out of the house and do things like play sports and take college exams - and that the damage being done while they're sitting inside playing video games is being inappropriately disregarded. I pointed out that cognitively impaired older adults (eg my mother) are suffering adverse emotional and mental effects from the lockdown as well. Patients need to be able to have in person visits without multiple layers of administrative approval, and - best of all - everyone thought the whole BLM thing was ridiculous and largely unfounded. One person, who I thought was staunchly liberal, even voiced anger at the department head trying to shame everyone into joining the White Coats for Black Lives protest. No one at the party was the least bit interested in that.

The risk thing especially is just crazy. I had calculated the odds of being infected with COVID (infected, NOT hospitalized) and compared it to the chance of getting into a car accident on the way to the party. Turns out the car accident was 10 times more likely. Even when NYC had 10x the number of daily cases that we do now (which is months past), the odds would have been even - and when the heck did anyone ever say, maybe I shouldn't go to this party because I might get into a car accident?

We have lost all perspective and are being carefully schooled into a mindset that one must avoid ALL risk - whatever the price. It's ridiculous. No human society has ever lived this way. The lockdowns were reasonable at the beginning, when it was about preventing hospitals from being overrun. That is no longer an issue and hasn't been for months. I truly don't understand what the rationale is now.
Oh, that's easy to explain.
Democrats want arbitrary unquestioned power, and they have seized on this plague as a great opportunity to achieve it.
So Tech, in your opinion what happens if the Dems win the election in Nov? They are certainly going to want the economy to get better so they can take credit. So will the virus hysteria just sort of disappear quickly after that? Or will they go the opposite way and impose Draconian lockdowns and contact tracing etc.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:26 pm

25 new cases here in B.C. as of our latest update. A slight uptick since our general reopening started. Nothing to worry about (yet) according to our Health Minister, but we definitely need to stay vigilant.

I have several friends across the border in the Seattle and Bellingham area. Looks like it will be a long time still before I can see them. :P
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