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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by ochotona » Mon May 11, 2020 6:08 pm

Houston City Council member tests positive; she's a dentist. Dentists just went back to work days ago... the virus got past her PPE, if she got it at work. This thing is relentless!
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon May 11, 2020 6:27 pm

LA County inmates intentionally contract COVID-19 in order to be set free

Releasing inmates from jails remains one of the more baffling episodes of this whole thing.
There's this very disturbing set of studies where about half the articles printed in Science and Nature magazines, the two leading publications, involved experiments that could not be repeated by anybody.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Tortoise » Mon May 11, 2020 6:48 pm

ochotona wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 4:38 pm
How about snuffing the virus through being proactive, smart, and using tech, and not having to wreck your country? I'm thinking Korea and Taiwan. How about that effing definition?
I agree that wrecking the effing economy by keeping it effing locked down is definitely not the right effing solution. :)

But I don't think that widespread track-and-trace using tech (which involves privacy concerns) is necessarily the best alternative given U.S. history and culture. What about the option of identifying the U.S. citizens who have the highest risk factors (age, obesity, etc.) and protecting them until a treatment, vaccine, or herd immunity is obtained -- and let everyone else resume their normal lives? Is that not a viable option, and if not, why?
Joe is just Biden his time now.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Mon May 11, 2020 6:50 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:27 pm

Releasing inmates from jails remains one of the more baffling episodes of this whole thing.
Especially when they are jailing people for violating the lockdown. :o ::)
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon May 11, 2020 6:51 pm

There's this very disturbing set of studies where about half the articles printed in Science and Nature magazines, the two leading publications, involved experiments that could not be repeated by anybody.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Dieter » Mon May 11, 2020 8:31 pm

Even the Whitehouse now. Seems a bit like shutting the gate after the fox is in the henhouse.

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Post by boglerdude » Mon May 11, 2020 10:48 pm

sophie wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 5:26 pm
hospitals start squawking about how lazy physicians aren't inventing enough reasons to admit people to the hospital to keep the beds full.
Hyperbole?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Tue May 12, 2020 6:49 am

Dieter wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 8:31 pm
Even the Whitehouse now. Seems a bit like shutting the gate after the fox is in the henhouse.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white- ... irus-cases
Actually, throughout this it seemed hypocritical and odd that politicians of both parties and of all levels of govt would appear on TV or news conferences without any of the staff in masks.
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by sophie » Tue May 12, 2020 7:42 am

Interesting epidemiology data from New York: it turns out that those getting seriously ill from the virus are a highly select group that has little or nothing to do with economic activity. Excerpt from https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-covid ... _lead_pos2:
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has directed hospitals to begin asking new coronavirus patients for their occupation, usual transportation mode and neighborhood. Although New York has been shut down for seven weeks, several thousand people are still testing positive and hundreds are being hospitalized each day.

Last week Mr. Cuomo disclosed some preliminary findings: Twenty-two percent of those who entered the hospital came from a nursing home or assisted living facility. Ninety-six percent had an underlying health condition. Yet only 17% were employed, and only 4% in New York City had been taking public transportation.

“We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percentage of essential employees who were getting sick because they were going to work—that these may be nurses, doctors, transit workers. That’s not the case,” he said. “They’re not working, they’re not traveling, they’re predominantly downstate, predominantly minority, predominantly older.”
...
Surprisingly, millennials who are known to crowd bars and clubs were about as likely to carry antibodies as baby boomers. Even more curious, 12% of health-care workers tested positive for antibodies compared to 20% of the general population.
This is excellent data (due credit to Cuomo for deciding to collect it) that needs to be replicated elsewhere. It sure looks like the case for economic lockdowns is now almost nonexistent. Cases in NY are probably dropping not because working-age people are staying home, but because the virus has mostly run its course in the small slice of the population that is most at risk. Sort like a forest fire that has used up most of the dry tinder and is now burning around the fringes.

Also, it is reassuring to know that only 4% of serious cases occur in people without an "underlying health condition" which I assume means something like diabetes, asthma, or morbid obesity. Old age is certainly associated with these conditions, but not everyone in that age group will have them. If you're older and don't have any health problems and aren't morbidly obese (BMI > 40), then according to these data you're in the safe group!
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by technovelist » Tue May 12, 2020 8:02 am

sophie wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:42 am
Interesting epidemiology data from New York: it turns out that those getting seriously ill from the virus are a highly select group that has little or nothing to do with economic activity. Excerpt from https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-covid ... _lead_pos2:
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has directed hospitals to begin asking new coronavirus patients for their occupation, usual transportation mode and neighborhood. Although New York has been shut down for seven weeks, several thousand people are still testing positive and hundreds are being hospitalized each day.

Last week Mr. Cuomo disclosed some preliminary findings: Twenty-two percent of those who entered the hospital came from a nursing home or assisted living facility. Ninety-six percent had an underlying health condition. Yet only 17% were employed, and only 4% in New York City had been taking public transportation.

“We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percentage of essential employees who were getting sick because they were going to work—that these may be nurses, doctors, transit workers. That’s not the case,” he said. “They’re not working, they’re not traveling, they’re predominantly downstate, predominantly minority, predominantly older.”
...
Surprisingly, millennials who are known to crowd bars and clubs were about as likely to carry antibodies as baby boomers. Even more curious, 12% of health-care workers tested positive for antibodies compared to 20% of the general population.
This is excellent data (due credit to Cuomo for deciding to collect it) that needs to be replicated elsewhere. It sure looks like the case for economic lockdowns is now almost nonexistent. Cases in NY are probably dropping not because working-age people are staying home, but because the virus has mostly run its course in the small slice of the population that is most at risk. Sort like a forest fire that has used up most of the dry tinder and is now burning around the fringes.

Also, it is reassuring to know that only 4% of serious cases occur in people without an "underlying health condition" which I assume means something like diabetes, asthma, or morbid obesity. Old age is certainly associated with these conditions, but not everyone in that age group will have them. If you're older and don't have any health problems and aren't morbidly obese (BMI > 40), then according to these data you're in the safe group!
So has Cuomo ended the lockdowns?
If not, he needs to be impeached and removed from office.
Another nod to the most beautiful equation: e + 1 = 0
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by pugchief » Tue May 12, 2020 9:49 am

technovelist wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:02 am
sophie wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:42 am
Interesting epidemiology data from New York: it turns out that those getting seriously ill from the virus are a highly select group that has little or nothing to do with economic activity. Excerpt from https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-covid ... _lead_pos2:
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has directed hospitals to begin asking new coronavirus patients for their occupation, usual transportation mode and neighborhood. Although New York has been shut down for seven weeks, several thousand people are still testing positive and hundreds are being hospitalized each day.

Last week Mr. Cuomo disclosed some preliminary findings: Twenty-two percent of those who entered the hospital came from a nursing home or assisted living facility. Ninety-six percent had an underlying health condition. Yet only 17% were employed, and only 4% in New York City had been taking public transportation.

“We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percentage of essential employees who were getting sick because they were going to work—that these may be nurses, doctors, transit workers. That’s not the case,” he said. “They’re not working, they’re not traveling, they’re predominantly downstate, predominantly minority, predominantly older.”
...
Surprisingly, millennials who are known to crowd bars and clubs were about as likely to carry antibodies as baby boomers. Even more curious, 12% of health-care workers tested positive for antibodies compared to 20% of the general population.
This is excellent data (due credit to Cuomo for deciding to collect it) that needs to be replicated elsewhere. It sure looks like the case for economic lockdowns is now almost nonexistent. Cases in NY are probably dropping not because working-age people are staying home, but because the virus has mostly run its course in the small slice of the population that is most at risk. Sort like a forest fire that has used up most of the dry tinder and is now burning around the fringes.

Also, it is reassuring to know that only 4% of serious cases occur in people without an "underlying health condition" which I assume means something like diabetes, asthma, or morbid obesity. Old age is certainly associated with these conditions, but not everyone in that age group will have them. If you're older and don't have any health problems and aren't morbidly obese (BMI > 40), then according to these data you're in the safe group!
So has Cuomo ended the lockdowns?
If not, he needs to be impeached and removed from office.
Why is Fauci still saying not to allow re-opening?
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Re: Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by technovelist » Tue May 12, 2020 10:41 am

pugchief wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:49 am
technovelist wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 8:02 am
sophie wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:42 am
Interesting epidemiology data from New York: it turns out that those getting seriously ill from the virus are a highly select group that has little or nothing to do with economic activity. Excerpt from https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-covid ... _lead_pos2:
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has directed hospitals to begin asking new coronavirus patients for their occupation, usual transportation mode and neighborhood. Although New York has been shut down for seven weeks, several thousand people are still testing positive and hundreds are being hospitalized each day.

Last week Mr. Cuomo disclosed some preliminary findings: Twenty-two percent of those who entered the hospital came from a nursing home or assisted living facility. Ninety-six percent had an underlying health condition. Yet only 17% were employed, and only 4% in New York City had been taking public transportation.

“We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percentage of essential employees who were getting sick because they were going to work—that these may be nurses, doctors, transit workers. That’s not the case,” he said. “They’re not working, they’re not traveling, they’re predominantly downstate, predominantly minority, predominantly older.”
...
Surprisingly, millennials who are known to crowd bars and clubs were about as likely to carry antibodies as baby boomers. Even more curious, 12% of health-care workers tested positive for antibodies compared to 20% of the general population.
This is excellent data (due credit to Cuomo for deciding to collect it) that needs to be replicated elsewhere. It sure looks like the case for economic lockdowns is now almost nonexistent. Cases in NY are probably dropping not because working-age people are staying home, but because the virus has mostly run its course in the small slice of the population that is most at risk. Sort like a forest fire that has used up most of the dry tinder and is now burning around the fringes.

Also, it is reassuring to know that only 4% of serious cases occur in people without an "underlying health condition" which I assume means something like diabetes, asthma, or morbid obesity. Old age is certainly associated with these conditions, but not everyone in that age group will have them. If you're older and don't have any health problems and aren't morbidly obese (BMI > 40), then according to these data you're in the safe group!
So has Cuomo ended the lockdowns?
If not, he needs to be impeached and removed from office.
Why is Fauci still saying not to allow re-opening?
Maybe he doesn't want to be blamed for any subsequent deaths from the plague.
He probably won't be blamed by most people for all of the suicides, etc., caused by the lockdowns. That doesn't make them go away though.
Another nod to the most beautiful equation: e + 1 = 0
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