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Coronavirus General Discussion

Post by Ad Orientem » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:58 am

It's coming if it isn't already here.

A couple news items...

Pope Francis is ill a day after supporting coronavirus sufferers
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/pope-fran ... rs/?utm_me

The blame game has begun.
...The Trump administration has cut funding for the US Center for Disease Control by 9pc. This month he proposed slashing it a further 16pc. The worst hit area has been pandemic preparation. The CDC’s global health security initiative has been chopped by 80pc, reducing country coverage from 49 to 10.

Mr Trump got rid of the US Complex Crises Fund. He shut down the pandemic and global health machinery at the White House, and fired the lot. He tried to cut the budget of the National Institutes of Health - the world’s finest concentration of science - by 20pc in 2018, and by 27pc in 2019. Congress stopped the worst but damage has been done.

Tom Frieden, ex-head of the CDC, warned two years ago that the cuts would leave the US at the mercy of the next killer virus. “The surveillance systems will die, so we won’t know if something happens. You can’t pull up the drawbridge and expect viruses not to travel,” he said. Ouch.

It has been a war on science. Mr Trump’s cuts have nothing to do with fiscal austerity. They happened just as he was pushing through tax cuts and driving the US cyclically-adjusted budget deficit to 6.3pc of GDP (IMF data), spraying money with Peronist abandon. The science cuts were ideological. Some readers chide me for being an unreconciled Never Trumper. This is why.

And now the White House has a disaster on its hands. “The epidemiological conditions for a pandemic are met,” said Prof Marc Lipsitch, Harvard’s guru on infectious diseases. Don’t be fooled by the seemingly low numbers of infections in the US (57 as I write): the country has tested just 426 people. Only three of the 100 public health labs even have working test kits.

One reason why South Korea appears to have so many cases is because it has carried out 44,981 tests. “They are looking, so they are finding,” says professor Caitlin Rivers from John Hopkins University.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... nces-bone/
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Post by Cortopassi » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:51 am

It is interesting to see the blaming. Can't even unify on something like this, jerks.

I can't think of anything that has such potential to crush the world's economy as a virus that can shut everything down for months. Terrorists, war, natural disasters, all are more localized and sharp shocks that seem to be shrugged off quickly. You can see the market trying to shrug this off (as we speak), but seems less likely it will be able to.

Too much is affected.
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Post by flyingpylon » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:57 am

Just another viewpoint. I have no way of independently verifying whether this or anything else in the world is "true". I agree that it would be nice to see politicians take a break on issues like this.
Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.

He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.
AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness
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Post by flyingpylon » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:04 pm

As always, Elizabeth Warren has a plan!

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/12 ... 15461?s=20

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Post by Smith1776 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:44 pm

The PP has proven its mettle against inflation, financial crises, an oil embargo, bubbles, and more.

Now we're seeing how it handles a virus scare more severe than SARS and all the rest in real time. Interesting.

Do dividend paying stocks help protect against infection? ::)
For the money you can't afford to lose, why would you invest it in anything other than the PP? ???
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Post by I Shrugged » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:21 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:04 pm
As always, Elizabeth Warren has a plan!

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/12 ... 15461?s=20

::)
The world’s fastest drinking game would be for her saying plan during a speech.
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Post by Ad Orientem » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:35 am

Coronavirus 'could be 1,000 times more infectious than SARS, scientists warn as they discover it plagues the body the same way as HIV and Ebola

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... -warn.html
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Post by pugchief » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:07 pm

Avoid all forms of Corona! ::)
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Post by Xan » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:20 pm

pugchief wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:07 pm
Avoid all forms of Corona! ::)
You know what goes well with coronavirus? Lyme disease!
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Post by pugchief » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:30 pm

Xan wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:20 pm
pugchief wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:07 pm
Avoid all forms of Corona! ::)
You know what goes well with coronavirus? Lyme disease!
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Post by Ad Orientem » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:58 pm

Bill Gates: Coronavirus may be ‘once-in-a-century pathogen we’ve been worried about’

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/bill-ga ... hogen.html

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Billionaire and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates said the coronavirus that has killed at least 2,859 people and infected more than 83,700 globally may be the “once-in-a-century pathogen we’ve been worried about.”

“I hope it’s not that bad, but we should assume it will be until we know otherwise,” Gates wrote in an article published Friday in The New England Journal of Medicine.

Gates and his wife, Melinda, founded The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in 2000 to help improve world health and combat extreme poverty. The foundation announced Feb. 5 that it would donate $100 million to help find treatments and expand testing for the virus, particularly for poorer populations.

According to Gates, COVID-19 poses a serious threat to the world because it’s far more deadly and contagious than many other deadly viruses.

“First, it can kill healthy adults in addition to elderly people with existing health problems,” he wrote. “Second, Covid-19 is transmitted quite efficiently. The average infected person spreads the disease to two or three others — an exponential rate of increase.” World health leaders say the disease is spread by people who are mildly ill or don’t show any symptoms at all, making it harder to contain and more contagious than other types of viruses.

The mortality rate is “many times more severe than typical seasonal influenza,” Gates said. The World Health Organization said the mortality rate of COVID-19 can differ, ranging from 0.7% to up to 4%, depending on the quality of the health-care system where it’s treated. Gates said that its current average estimated fatality rate of around 1% places it somewhere between the 1957 Asian flu pandemic (0.6%) that killed 1.1 million people and the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic (2%) that killed 50 million around the world, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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Post by sophie » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:12 am

Just to update everybody....my hospital is sending out multiple bulletins a day. Rather annoying, because they all say the same thing: no cases here yet, testing is available, wash your hands a lot, be on the lookout for unexplained fever and respiratory illnesses. They also took the rather surprising step of telling us not to come to work if we're sick. Generally they are very much against the concept of sick days. Also it was kinda funny when they said something like, if you cough, cough into a tissue and throw it out, don't share it with anybody. Yuck, do they really have to tell us that?

quick note to above - the Diamond Princess cruise ship is an excellent testbed for mortality and contagion numbers. There were 2666 passengers and (I'll estimate) 500 crew on board, totaling 3166. There are 705 confirmed cases, which means ~20% rate of clinically apparent infections. I will assume everyone has been exposed and that the remaining people are asymptomatic. Of the cases, the mortality rate among these moderate/severe cases so far is 1% (6 deaths) - for a group where nearly everyone is elderly and thus at the highest level of risk.

So in basically the worst case scenario for exposure to the coronavirus, i.e. guaranteed repeated exposures and elderly, you have a 1 in 5 chance of getting sick and if you get sick, a 1% chance of dying (so far). If it were the flu instead of coronavirus on that ship and there was no such thing as a flu vaccine, the percentage of those on board who get sick would be much higher, and mortality would probably be similar BECAUSE it's the high risk group - the 0.1% mortality rate is average for the general population, remember.

I think most of us know all this already but...just for anyone who might be driving themselves into a panic because journalists can't do math and are inclined to sensationalize everything, here's a counterpoint that might be helpful. Also, if you want to do something constructive, put yourself on a low carb, sugar free diet, take vitamins especially D3, get enough sleep etc. (I ran across an interesting article measuring ability of white blood cells to kill pathogens after eating various forms of sugar or refined carbohydrates...it's cut in half for about 5 hours.)
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