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the New Way Forward Act

Post by pugchief » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:57 pm

At this moment there is a bill pending in Congress called the New Way Forward Act. It’s received almost no publicity, which is unfortunate as well as revealing.

The legislation is sponsored by 44 House Democrats, including Reps. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York. At roughly 4,400 words, it’s almost exactly as long as the U.S. Constitution.

Like the Constitution, this legislation is designed to create a whole new country. The bill would entirely remake our immigration system, with the explicit purpose of ensuring that criminals are able to move here, and settle here permanently, with impunity.
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by sophie » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:49 am

I never thought I would say this but: good for Tucker Carlson for finding that piece of insanity! Hopefully the only reason no other news organization has picked it up is that it has no chance of passing even the House. Hopefully it wasn't because the Democratic left wing is hoping to slip it through unnoticed, e.g. buried in a budget bill or something.
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Post by Cortopassi » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:58 am

And the alternate view from one of the bill sponsors.

https://chuygarcia.house.gov/sites/chuy ... 202019.pdf

I have not read either in detail and will only state the bill seems to be able to be read in a "these are reasonable" moves and a "this is the end of the country" move
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by pugchief » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:27 pm

sophie wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:49 am
Hopefully the only reason no other news organization has picked it up is that it has no chance of passing even the House. Hopefully it wasn't because the Democratic left wing is hoping to slip it through unnoticed, e.g. buried in a budget bill or something.
Of course that is the reason it has received no coverage. Most of the country would go crazy if they knew about this. It's another attempt of "You have to pass it to know what's in it."TM like ACA.
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by pugchief » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:33 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:58 am
And the alternate view from one of the bill sponsors.

https://chuygarcia.house.gov/sites/chuy ... 202019.pdf

I have not read either in detail and will only state the bill seems to be able to be read in a "these are reasonable" moves and a "this is the end of the country" move
All of his bullet points on the first page outlining the concept are basically 'because racism'. Maybe if cities would let ICE do their job, police wouldn't need to even be involved. But regardless, we should be discouraging illegal activity on all levels, instead of encouraging it. The same applies to the idiotic NYC bail law being discussed in the other thread.
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:12 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:58 am
And the alternate view from one of the bill sponsors.

https://chuygarcia.house.gov/sites/chuy ... 202019.pdf

I have not read either in detail and will only state the bill seems to be able to be read in a "these are reasonable" moves and a "this is the end of the country" move
The arguments Rep. Garcia is making are truly mind-boggling to me. One could sum up his whole defense with "don't deport illegal aliens or enforce laws they break, it's mean to them and impedes their ability to stay in our country." You thought it sounded reasonable? Or alternatively, you thought he was trying to make them sound reasonable?

My thinking is that this is a real-life opportunity for the hypothetical situation Christina Hoff Sommers advocated when she was being heckled by students at UMass,
And I would say to those of you who are screaming out and not letting us finish our sentences.. if we are such dangerous people; let us speak. The more we speak that should become apparent. The fear is that the more we speak, the more reasonable we'll sound and people will realize there has been censorship on this campus.
A winning strategy to get Trump re-elected is to replay what Leftists say in entirety.
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by sophie » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:58 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:12 pm
A winning strategy to get Trump re-elected is to replay what Leftists say in entirety.
This is exactly what Tucker Carlson did during his report. He didn't have to explain or embellish anything to get his point across. If you notice, Garcia didn't actually spell out any of the individual measures within the bill. Instead, he laid out what we're supposed to think about it, while carefully not telling us anything that would give the game away. Like, the part about the US government inviting previously deported felons to come live in the US AND pay their travel expenses.

I remember what it used to be like to be a liberal college student. It was pretty innocent back in the day. We were mainly after personal freedoms and we wanted less ideologically-motivated war-making, while the Republicans at that time were attempting to dismantle the separation of church and state, impose a state religion which was narrowly defined along the lines of Southern Baptist, and spend every available coin building up the military so that they could invade poor communist countries like Nicaragua on ideological grounds and support murderous regimes in places like El Salvador. Basically, I don't think my political opinions have evolved all that much. It's the political landscape that's changed.
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:03 am

Tucker Carlson shining a spotlight on Democrat plans via the news organization with the highest ratings and largest viewership (ostensibly to people of the opposite political leaning) contrasts vividly with Leftist efforts to silence Project Veritas investigative reporting on Democrat presidential candidates (and other events, as mentioned above).

Or, to look at it another way, they find common ground disagreeing with the statement "any press is good press."
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by Cortopassi » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:21 am

Has anyone truly read this and did all the text replacements as the document shows?

I suspect the reality lives somewhere between the end of the republic as Carlson paints it and the beautiful reasonableness Garcia paints.

All this does again is divide us. I picture my 87 year old dad watching Carlson on Fox, and he does, just getting more and more bitter about these radical democrats destroying the country while not getting anything from the opposite position ever.

He has turned from a blue collar democrat for 75+ years of his life to a scared bitter republican who thinks Trump can do no wrong and everyone is out to get him. He was an immigrant 70 years ago and has completely forgotten that.
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Post by l82start » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:31 am

Cortopassi wrote:
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He was an immigrant 70 years ago and has completely forgotten that.
in my experience, it is fairly common and possibly a majority of immigrants, who came here legally, filled their paperwork, payed there fees, waited there turn and assimilated. to take a dim view of illegal immigration..
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by sophie » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:46 am

I think there's a difference between being an immigrant and coming here illegally.

Democrats have successfully blurred that line by insisting on calling illegal migrants "immigrants" when that term should properly apply only to people who went through the visa process. How can you equate the scientist I hired from the UK who is working his way toward permanent resident status, or a friend of mine who is a Canada and US-trained physician awaiting her green card renewal, with people with no job skills or assets who sneak across the border expecting free medical care, food stamps, and citizenship for the kids they'll have (also on the taxpayer dime) on US soil? In point of fact, under our current immigration policy the scientist from the UK and the Canadian doctor are at the bottom of the priority list. That is absurd.

I also think that if you ask in plain terms, most people would not be in favor of someone without permanent residency or citizenship status being allowed to stay here after committing a violent or serious crime. If you had a house guest who robbed you or set your house on fire, would you let them stay or would you kick them out?
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Re: the New Way Forward Act

Post by flyingpylon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:22 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:21 am
Has anyone truly read this and did all the text replacements as the document shows?

I suspect the reality lives somewhere between the end of the republic as Carlson paints it and the beautiful reasonableness Garcia paints.

All this does again is divide us. I picture my 87 year old dad watching Carlson on Fox, and he does, just getting more and more bitter about these radical democrats destroying the country while not getting anything from the opposite position ever.

He has turned from a blue collar democrat for 75+ years of his life to a scared bitter republican who thinks Trump can do no wrong and everyone is out to get him. He was an immigrant 70 years ago and has completely forgotten that.
Perhaps the people doing the dividing are the ones that propose this kind of stuff in the first place, and then purposely conflate legal and illegal immigration.
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