Trump's letter to Pelosi

Other discussions not related to the Permanent Portfolio

Moderator: Global Moderator

User avatar
technovelist
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 5379
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:20 pm

Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by technovelist » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:36 pm

This letter is logically unassailable and supported by incontrovertible evidence, yet those with TDS will dismiss it:

https://www.scribd.com/document/4401515 ... -to-Pelosi
User avatar
Mountaineer
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3618
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:54 am

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by Mountaineer » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:09 pm

Right up there on declaring war with FDR's day of infamy speech - except it's another war among ourselves. Lord help us all.
I've learned that to ignore the truth does not change the truth.
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1695
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: Illinois

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by Cortopassi » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:22 pm

That is a pretty awesome letter. I sure hope the Bidens get investigated. I'd like to see it all fall apart. I'd even make some popcorn. I just hope whatever replaces everything is actually better and not some dystopia.
User avatar
I Shrugged
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 627
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:35 pm

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by I Shrugged » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:48 pm

He’s a fighter.
User avatar
sophie
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3337
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:15 pm

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by sophie » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:46 pm

Wow.

I have to say that the last time I saw a letter like that, it was written by a guy who ended up in a psychiatric hospital a few weeks later.

Go Trump.
User avatar
drumminj
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 220
Joined: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:16 pm

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by drumminj » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:37 pm

sophie wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:46 pm
I have to say that the last time I saw a letter like that, it was written by a guy who ended up in a psychiatric hospital a few weeks later.
Sophie, is this said "matter-of-fact"-ly, or is there an implication here?
doodle
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 2723
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:17 pm

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by doodle » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:48 am

The letter states that Biden used US military aid to force the firing of a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma where his son was on board. I thought this all has been throuroughly debunked about five dozen times?

But...politicians and their families taking nepotistic advantages is wrong. Hunter biden shouldn't have been offered that job...but for that matter I don't see how this is any different than Jared kushner or Ivanka trump working as senior advisors to president. Or trump continually scheduling conferences at properties he owns.
User avatar
dualstow
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 9759
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:18 am
Location: next to emotional support peacock
Contact:

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by dualstow » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:07 am

sophie wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:46 pm
Wow.

I have to say that the last time I saw a letter like that, it was written by a guy who ended up in a psychiatric hospital a few weeks later.

Go Trump.
😂
2nd initialism of the day (a two-fer!) low-SES: Socioeconomic Status
Acronym of the Day: RINO = Republican In Name Only
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1695
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: Illinois

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:52 am

doodle wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:48 am
The letter states that Biden used US military aid to force the firing of a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma where his son was on board. I thought this all has been throuroughly debunked about five dozen times?

But...politicians and their families taking nepotistic advantages is wrong. Hunter biden shouldn't have been offered that job...but for that matter I don't see how this is any different than Jared kushner or Ivanka trump working as senior advisors to president. Or trump continually scheduling conferences at properties he owns.
1) You say something enough times, people start believing it. Like me. Everyone says it was debunked, but I've not researched or looked into how it was debunked and who decided it was debunked. Regardless of that portion of it, hiring a guy with zero experience to sit on your board for 50k/mo is absolutely trying to buy influence. I don't think I've heard democrats defend this aspect of it, right?

2) Nepotism should be outlawed in public sectors. Happens all the time in Chicago politics.
User avatar
sophie
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 3337
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:15 pm

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by sophie » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:15 am

doodle wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:48 am
The letter states that Biden used US military aid to force the firing of a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma where his son was on board. I thought this all has been throuroughly debunked about five dozen times?
Well not exactly. If Joe Biden had been subject to the type of investigation that Trump has been over the past few years, don't you think something would have emerged from it? Here's the NY TImes summary, which I would expect to be strongly tilted in favor of Biden:
The allegation at the heart of the controversy is that while Mr. Biden was vice president, he pushed to have Ukraine’s top prosecutor removed for investigating a company connected to Mr. Biden’s son Hunter, the Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma. ...

Vice President Biden was overseeing American policy toward Ukraine at the time, and he did push for the removal of the country’s top prosecutor, who was seen as corrupt or ineffectual by the United States and Western European governments. But there is no evidence he did so to benefit Hunter Biden or the oligarch who owns Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky.

In 2014, Hunter joined the board of Burisma, which was then mired in a corruption scandal. Authorities in Ukraine, Britain and the United States had opened investigations into the company’s operations. Mr. Zlochevsky had also been accused of marshaling government contracts to companies he owned and embezzling public money.

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.
A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/busi ... unter.html

If Joe Biden were a physician, he'd have had the book thrown at him for sure. His son's presence on the board is a substantial conflict of interest no matter how you slice it. And that board position itself could only have been a political favor...so what did Ukraine get in exchange? You seriously mean to tell me that Burisma was that anxious to hire a US drug convict with zero experience in their business for such a prominent and highly paid position? The prosecutor firing may not have been the main issue, but it serves as an indicator that Joe Biden was actively engaged - for reasons that are rather unclear. What's so special about Ukraine that the Vice President needed to get personally involved? Where was the Secretary of State, who should properly have been doing this job?

BTW not to pick on Joe Biden particularly. As far as I'm concerned, about 90% of members of Congress who haven't been accused of something just haven't been investigated thoroughly enough. Hell, if you investigated ME for 3 years you'd probably find something to charge me with!!
User avatar
Cortopassi
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 1695
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm
Location: Illinois

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:22 am

sophie wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:15 am
You seriously mean to tell me that Burisma was that anxious to hire a US drug convict with zero experience in their business for such a prominent and highly paid position? The prosecutor firing may not have been the main issue, but it serves as an indicator that Joe Biden was actively engaged - for reasons that are rather unclear. What's so special about Ukraine that the Vice President needed to get personally involved? Where was the Secretary of State, who should properly have been doing this job?

BTW not to pick on Joe Biden particularly. As far as I'm concerned, about 90% of members of Congress who haven't been accused of something just haven't been investigated thoroughly enough. Hell, if you investigated ME for 3 years you'd probably find something to charge me with!!
There are so many reasonable people on this board! I imagine, if it comes down to Biden and Trump in 2020, esp. if this Biden thing is still brewing, I see a lot of independent, reasonable people in the country voting for Trump.

If Trump can break open some floodgate on Biden and associates showing corruption, he's going to be incredibly hard to beat. If I am any indication of the independent population who flip back and forth democrat vs. republican, I have gone from significantly far left (related to Trump) to moderately right in the span of a month. I can certainly flip back.

---Hell, if you investigated ME for 3 years you'd probably find something to charge me with!!

One of the reasons I will never run for a public office. Not that there's anything major. But enough stupid actions as a teenager that I'd not want public! Thank God there weren't cell phones back then.
flyingpylon
Executive Member
Executive Member
Posts: 485
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:04 am

Re: Trump's letter to Pelosi

Post by flyingpylon » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:11 am

The Biden/Ukraine scandal has absolutely not been "debunked". That is a Democrat talking point.

Most people fall into the Republican/Democrat false dichotomy trap and fail to understand what's been going on. When viewed as the Uniparty vs the rest of us, it makes a lot more sense. Congressional members at the top of both parties are up to their eyeballs in Ukraine problems and will take actions that defend and protect the swamp.

Or so people tell me. ;)
Post Reply