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Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:46 pm
by technovelist
"Firehouse/Optimus December Battleground State Poll: As Impeachment Moves Ahead, President Trump Well-Positioned Against Leading Democratic Contenders"
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"As the race currently stands, President Trump is in the lead in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin in hypothetical match-ups against former Vice President Joe Biden, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Senator Bernie Sanders, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, and former Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Across the three states, Trump’s closest contest is against Joe Biden, although the president leads by an average of 6 percentage points against each Democrat."

https://firehousestrategies.com/analysi ... nd_survey/

Just wait until they actually file articles of impeachment. This is going to be an historic landslide and the Democrats are doing it to themselves.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:11 am
by doodle
Only because they arent paying attention or just don't care about presidential abuse of power.

"I would love to send Ambassador Sondland, a really good man and great American, to testify, but unfortunately he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court, where Republican’s rights have been taken away, and true facts are not allowed out for the public...."

So what does Sondland say....there was absolutey a quid pro quo at presidents behest...US aid for political dirt on rival.

That's enough for me. Impeach

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:12 am
by doodle
The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors

Seems like events also constitute bribery....

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:39 am
by doodle
At the end of the day, its all so gross to me that I dont even care anymore. Let it all burn to the ground. I know I speak for a lot of under 40 citizens who really just don't care to vote anymore. Our democracy is a total sham.

Sondland donates a million to president Trump...becomes ambassador to E.U. ...is that not bribery?

President trump "donates" 400 million to Ukraine...gets something that he wants in return...is that not bribery?

I think I'll just continue with my plan (almost done) to go offgrid in the middle of nowhere and watch it all crumble.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:24 am
by Cortopassi
doodle,

I think what you just stated is the issue for me with democrats right now. All this "bribery" happens all the freaking time. Lobbyists, donations, etc.

Because they despise Trump, they are trying to pin on him something each and every one of them are guilty of in some form or fashion.

I do not want Trump to win necessarily next year, but the democrats are totally blowing this in my eyes, and I am smack down the center. Since I live in IL, my vote doesn't really matter. IL will go in the D column, regardless.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:03 pm
by dualstow
I feel very much the same as Cortopassi above.

Pin it on Trump before he gets re-elected. That's their agenda.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:07 pm
by Tyler
doodle wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:12 am
Seems like events also constitute bribery....
Well apparently Democratic leadership thought better of that interpretation, as bribery is notably absent from the articles of impeachment they issued today. What a colossal waste of time.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:21 pm
by boglerdude
The Deep State hates Trump for valid reasons. "America First" is patriotic but it's bad for growing global GDP. Americans get paid more than they deserve to. All the Fed/academics have to do is stop printing "repo" money close to the election and falling asset prices will trigger recession. Will be fun to see what happens.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:10 am
by sophie
The biggest problem I see with the impeachment effort is that so far, it's all based on hearsay. Even some of the most impressive evidence amounted to "I heard person X say Y, and therefore I presume that Trump said Z." I would guess, along with everyone else, that the assumptions made are correct, but...don't you need some actual proof in order to convict someone?

This is sort of obvious to everyone, so you're left with the impression that the Democrats are singlemindedly following this chain of logic: "I hate Trump with a passion. Everyone hates Trump, except maybe for people who don't deserve to have an opinion. He needs to not be President any longer. We have now found something resembling an excuse to get him out of office. The ends justify the means."

Maybe they do, but this sets a terrible precedent. It amounts to a surefire method of overthrowing any election result not sanctioned by...whoever sanctions these things.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:59 am
by Maddy
It's worse than that, Sophie. The charge itself has gone from one unsubstantiated allegation to another.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:13 am
by pugchief
boglerdude wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:21 pm
The Deep State hates Trump for valid reasons. "America First" is patriotic but it's bad for growing global GDP. Americans get paid more than they deserve to. All the Fed/academics have to do is stop printing "repo" money close to the election and falling asset prices will trigger recession. Will be fun to see what happens.
I didn't know we had AOC as a member on this forum! :o

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think I am underpaid based on the cost, sacrifice and effort of my training, and capital risks I have taken to start and run my business.

Re: Impeachment failing in battleground states

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:59 am
by technovelist
sophie wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:10 am
The biggest problem I see with the impeachment effort is that so far, it's all based on hearsay. Even some of the most impressive evidence amounted to "I heard person X say Y, and therefore I presume that Trump said Z." I would guess, along with everyone else, that the assumptions made are correct, but...don't you need some actual proof in order to convict someone?

This is sort of obvious to everyone, so you're left with the impression that the Democrats are singlemindedly following this chain of logic: "I hate Trump with a passion. Everyone hates Trump, except maybe for people who don't deserve to have an opinion. He needs to not be President any longer. We have now found something resembling an excuse to get him out of office. The ends justify the means."

Maybe they do, but this sets a terrible precedent. It amounts to a surefire method of overthrowing any election result not sanctioned by...whoever sanctions these things.
"[W]hoever sanctions these things" = the Deep State.